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10 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

And this is why we need to get Cousins in here he will make up for a myriad of sins.  

Then draft well and coach appropriately and then we have a real chance.  

Wait so Cousins is going to sign free agents, draft players, and be the head coach and QB.

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27 minutes ago, FlagmanL11 said:

See what happens when a team cleans house and brings in guys who know what they are doing.  

Name the football czar with deep roots in the Jets family that is coming out of retirement to save us 

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34 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Lol oh don’t be the police.

Threads like this are a complete joke. It's just a fan you wants to vent and gets upset when no one responds to his post that winds up on page 20 of the game day thread. Could even put it in any one of the fire Bowles/Macc threads. Nope it makes way more sense to start a whole new thread with the same premise of the other 20.

 

/rant :D

 

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5 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Threads like this are a complete joke. It's just a fan you wants to vent and gets upset when no one responds to his post that winds up on page 20 of the game day thread. Could even put it in any one of the fire Bowles/Macc threads. Nope it makes way more sense to start a whole new thread with the same premise of the other 20.

 

/rant :D

 

Lol I feel you. I had a rare moment last night after the Patriot/Titan game. Guess we just get caught up on emotion sometimes. I felt a little dumb after posting my vent thread..it did well on replies though.?

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I feel like the playoff teams this weekend come down to having two super studs and a (big oversimplification coming) bunch of guys who don’t get in their way too often:

Brady and Gronk

Fournette and Ramsey

Brown and Bell

Wentz and Lane Johnson, Cox as Wentz’s stand in

The two OTs on the Titans

Harrison Smith and Anthony Barr

The Saints and Falcons are a little less clear - Kamara and Jones but not sure otherwise...Brees? Jordan? Jordan right now. Ryan? Trufant? 

Jets need them some horses. Cousins and Bell, please! 

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5 hours ago, SenorGato said:

I feel like the playoff teams this weekend come down to having two super studs and a (big oversimplification coming) bunch of guys who don’t get in their way too often:

Brady and Gronk

Fournette and Ramsey

Brown and Bell

Wentz and Lane Johnson, Cox as Wentz’s stand in

The two OTs on the Titans

Harrison Smith and Anthony Barr

The Saints and Falcons are a little less clear - Kamara and Jones but not sure otherwise...Brees? Jordan? Jordan right now. Ryan? Trufant? 

Jets need them some horses. Cousins and Bell, please! 

I feel like above all these playoff teams follow the trend of having some what of a balanced team on both sides of the ball. Even if one favors over the other slightly or even a little more than slightly..the main thing is, they produce on both sides of the ball. That is the big thing about success in the NFL now. Defense still wins championships but Offense propels you too. ..really nothing overcomplicated.

Saints have a balanced O and D

Falcons have a balanced O and D

Eagles have a balanced O and D.

Steelers O is better than their D by some margin.

Vikings have an extremely balanced O and D

Jags D is better than their O by a small margin.

Patriots O is better than their D..but the refs balanced things out.

Carolina’s O is better than their D slightly.

Chiefs O was slightly better than their D but it was pretty well balanced.

Titans....idk how they got in or even beat KC. O is good though. D is pretty good..probably the least balanced of the bunch.

 

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9 hours ago, FlagmanL11 said:

See what happens when a team cleans house and brings in guys who know what they are doing.  

okay, they went from 3-13 to a berth in the afc championship game.  that's great for them but just remember they also had a number of seasons making high draft picks to build that roster before marrone and coughlin came on board.  they certainly got things pointed in the right direction. let's see if the jags can back up this season with next season.  and here's to hoping they do a number on the bellichiken.  

in this aspect people should be pleased with mac and bowles.  if the team falters this season then they will be out and the house will be cleaned, once again.  don't know if there's a guy out there like marrone who was an easy choice for the jets to make but who knows?

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Jax was mostly built before this year, they should have been playoff contenders or even playoff teams the past couple of years.  They had a nice offseason w/ the new regime this offseason but the team was mostly built already.  You don't rebuild like this in one offseason. 

Where we blew it was w/ our owner listening to the fans and media and not hiring Marrone.  You don't win listening to the fans and media, see what NYG has become for doing it now?

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4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Jax was mostly built before this year, they should have been playoff contenders or even playoff teams the past couple of years.  They had a nice offseason w/ the new regime this offseason but the team was mostly built already.  You don't rebuild like this in one offseason. 

Where we blew it was w/ our owner listening to the fans and media and not hiring Marrone.  You don't win listening to the fans and media, see what NYG has become for doing it now?

You are 100% correct. The Giants did what the Jets usually do and now nobody wants to coach the Giants.

The Browns do the same thing.

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3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

You are 100% correct. The Giants did what the Jets usually do and now nobody wants to coach the Giants.

The Browns do the same thing.

I despise the Giants but one thing I always respected about them was that they didn't lose to the media/fans in making decisions.  People forget how the media and fans that love Eli & Coughlin now wanted them gone after2006 and even during the SB season of 2007.  They also wanted them gone after 2010.  Eventually they did get rid of Coughlin b/c of it and then the new coach goes 11-5 and is gone less than a year later b/c they benched a mediocre QB that had been holding them back for years.  I guess it became too hard in this social media age, I hope they keep leaning on fans/media outrage to make decisions.

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The blue print on how you rebuild.

Tear the mother ****er down to it's knees and don't get caught up in a "competitive rebuild".  Embrace the suck and form a strategy. 

Draft a QB high, ride or die with said QB and don't get tempted to play maybe slightly better savvy veteran QB in Henne (among other Vet options that presented themselves). 

Build around young QB - Marquise Lee, Allen Robinson, Dede Westbrook, Allen Hurns, Leonard Fournette, TY Yeldon

Prioritize premium positions via the draft.  Bortles, Fowler and Ramsey. (LT - Luke Jockel at one point). 

Take the guy who was supposed to go higher and fell to you: Myles Jack, Cam Robinson.

Hit on some mid round picks - Telvin Smith, Aaron Colvin, Yannick Ngakoue 

Sign stud young FA's - Bouye, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Campbell (though he's not young, he plays young)

Trade to fill holes - Dareus

Bring in Football Czar - Coughlin 

Results?  Best young team in the NFL. 

 

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4 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

I feel like above all these playoff teams follow the trend of having some what of a balanced team on both sides of the ball. Even if one favors over the other slightly or even a little more than slightly..the main thing is, they produce on both sides of the ball. That is the big thing about success in the NFL now. Defense still wins championships but Offense propels you too. ..really nothing overcomplicated.

Saints have a balanced O and D

Falcons have a balanced O and D

Eagles have a balanced O and D.

Steelers O is better than their D by some margin.

Vikings have an extremely balanced O and D

Jags D is better than their O by a small margin.

Patriots O is better than their D..but the refs balanced things out.

Carolina’s O is better than their D slightly.

Chiefs O was slightly better than their D but it was pretty well balanced.

Titans....idk how they got in or even beat KC. O is good though. D is pretty good..probably the least balanced of the bunch.

 

If only people could see that they were all built over years of drafting, multiple failures with picks, free agents and coaches. And not turned around immediately 3 seasons into a new regime. 

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6 minutes ago, JiF said:

The blue print on how you rebuild.

Tear the mother ****er down to it's knees and don't get caught up in a "competitive rebuild".  Embrace the suck and form a strategy. 

Draft a QB high, ride or die with said QB and don't get tempted to play maybe slightly better savvy veteran QB in Henne (among other Vet options that presented themselves). 

Build around young QB - Marquise Lee, Allen Robinson, Dede Westbrook, Allen Hurns, Leonard Fournette, TY Yeldon

Prioritize premium positions via the draft.  Bortles, Fowler and Ramsey. (LT - Luke Jockel at one point). 

Take the guy who was supposed to go higher and fell to you: Myles Jack, Cam Robinson.

Hit on some mid round picks - Telvin Smith, Aaron Colvin, Yannick Ngakoue 

Sign stud young FA's - Bouye, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Campbell (though he's not young, he plays young)

Trade to fill holes - Dareus

Bring in Football Czar - Coughlin 

Results?  Best young team in the NFL. 

 

Probably the most important of them all. This damn team can’t seem to grasp the concept that sucking and having a couple losing seasons can help in the long run. Had the prime opportunity to do so this year and even last year. Could’ve been drafting top 3 back to back years. Does wonders. 

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

The blue print on how you rebuild.

Tear the mother ****er down to it's knees and don't get caught up in a "competitive rebuild".  Embrace the suck and form a strategy. 

Draft a QB high, ride or die with said QB and don't get tempted to play maybe slightly better savvy veteran QB in Henne (among other Vet options that presented themselves). 

Build around young QB - Marquise Lee, Allen Robinson, Dede Westbrook, Allen Hurns, Leonard Fournette, TY Yeldon

Prioritize premium positions via the draft.  Bortles, Fowler and Ramsey. (LT - Luke Jockel at one point). 

Take the guy who was supposed to go higher and fell to you: Myles Jack, Cam Robinson.

Hit on some mid round picks - Telvin Smith, Aaron Colvin, Yannick Ngakoue 

Sign stud young FA's - Bouye, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Campbell (though he's not young, he plays young)

Trade to fill holes - Dareus

Bring in Football Czar - Coughlin 

Results?  Best young team in the NFL. 

 

Where does taking interior linemen and safeties in the top 10 fit into this rebuild?

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2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Probably the most important of them all. This damn team can’t seem to grasp the concept that sucking and having a couple losing seasons can help in the long run. Had the prime opportunity to do so this year and even last year. Could’ve been drafting top 3 back to back years. Does wonders. 

I think that one and committing to a young QB are probably the key.  Todd Bowles would have 100% been playing Chad Henne if he was there and each year, that would have been just enough to miss on the studs they've got now. 

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1 minute ago, MDL_JET said:

Probably the most important of them all. This damn team can’t seem to grasp the concept that sucking and having a couple losing seasons can help in the long run. Had the prime opportunity to do so this year and even last year. Could’ve been drafting top 3 back to back years. Does wonders. 

so you should need to suck for a decade plus?  we are on the verge of that anyway.  all the top draft choices didn't help oak for 10-12 years, didn't help Jax for a decade, doesn't seem to help Cleveland.  Rebuilds happen fast and the right way when you have the right people in place making the right decisions. do we have those people? I'm not sure yet, what will likely happen here is what has happened in Jax.  we'll stockpile some talent and won't win until a new regime comes in.

drafting top 3 guarantees nothing. Jax top 5 picks since their last PO app:

Justin Blackmon(5 overall), not on team

Luke Joeckel(2 overall), not on team

Bortles(3 overall), he hasn't been very good

Fowler(3 overall)

Ramsey(5 overall)

Fournette(4 overall)

the 2 best have been the last 2 years and they have drafted better in recent years.  Draft position has nothing to do w/ it.

 

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6 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Probably the most important of them all. This damn team can’t seem to grasp the concept that sucking and having a couple losing seasons can help in the long run. Had the prime opportunity to do so this year and even last year. Could’ve been drafting top 3 back to back years. Does wonders. 

They've been sucking plenty. They're just using their picks on positions that dont matter. If you're picking players in the top 10 that dont score touchdowns, throw touchdowns, create turnovers or sack the QB you're doing it wrong.

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7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Where does taking interior linemen and safeties in the top 10 fit into this rebuild?

Same place as trading for older historic malcontent WR's with a low catch rate.  Or signing sh*tty journeyman veteran QB's and playing them with actual winning expectations.  Or maybe somewhere around signing old slow expensive sh*tty secondary players.

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3 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

so you should need to suck for a decade plus?  we are on the verge of that anyway.  all the top draft choices didn't help oak for 10-12 years, didn't help Jax for a decade, doesn't seem to help Cleveland.  Rebuilds happen fast and the right way when you have the right people in place making the right decisions. do we have those people? I'm not sure yet, what will likely happen here is what has happened in Jax.  we'll stockpile some talent and won't win until a new regime comes in.

drafting top 3 guarantees nothing. Jax top 5 picks since their last PO app:

Justin Blackmon(5 overall), not on team

Luke Joeckel(2 overall), not on team

Bortles(3 overall), he hasn't been very good

Fowler(3 overall)

Ramsey(5 overall)

Fournette(4 overall)

the 2 best have been the last 2 years and they have drafted better in recent years.  Draft position has nothing to do w/ it.

 

Huh?  The Jgas changed ownership and hired a new GM in 2013.   Blackmon was the old regime.  

This was a 3-4 year rebuild, which is usually the length of the leash when a team openly was starting all over.  This was their plan.  Kahn let them have a few sh*tty seasons.  Then they had expectations last year, they fell short, changed coaches and now they're seeing the results.

Rebuilds take time when you're starting over.  The Jets are just doing it wrong. Go figure. 

 

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5 minutes ago, JiF said:

Huh?  The Jgas changed ownership and hired a new GM in 2013.   Blackmon was the old regime.  

This was a 3-4 year rebuild, which is usually the length of the leash when a team openly was starting all over.  This was their plan.  Kahn let them have a few sh*tty seasons.  Then they had expectations last year, they fell short, changed coaches and now they're seeing the results.

Rebuilds take time when you're starting over.  The Jets are just doing it wrong. Go figure. 

 

how are the Jets doing it wrong? they are doing it the same way w/ this regime. the question is do they have the right people in place making the decisions?  The Jets basically started over after last year so it's really year 2 of this current rebuild. 

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12 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

so you should need to suck for a decade plus?  we are on the verge of that anyway.  all the top draft choices didn't help oak for 10-12 years, didn't help Jax for a decade, doesn't seem to help Cleveland.  Rebuilds happen fast and the right way when you have the right people in place making the right decisions. do we have those people? I'm not sure yet, what will likely happen here is what has happened in Jax.  we'll stockpile some talent and won't win until a new regime comes in.

drafting top 3 guarantees nothing. Jax top 5 picks since their last PO app:

Justin Blackmon(5 overall), not on team

Luke Joeckel(2 overall), not on team

Bortles(3 overall), he hasn't been very good

Fowler(3 overall)

Ramsey(5 overall)

Fournette(4 overall)

the 2 best have been the last 2 years and they have drafted better in recent years.  Draft position has nothing to do w/ it.

 

Not a decade but 4-5 years when you’re starting from the bottom. Jax’s owner said he knew he needed to give the GM time. And that it was gonna take at least 4-5 years to build this thing. They were accumulating talent and he saw that but the coach they picked wasn’t getting them anywhere hence the change. 

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Just now, MDL_JET said:

Not a decade but 4-5 years when you’re starting from the bottom. Jax’s owner said he knew he needed to give the GM time. And that it was gonna take at least 4-5 years to build this thing. They were accumulating talent and he saw that but the coach they picked wasn’t getting them anywhere hence the change. 

that's likely going to happen w/ us in the next 2 years assuming we keep bringing in more talent.  By the time we are ready to compete we'll have a new HC.

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