Interesting tidbits by Pauline on Cousins and Hack

[Dinamite]

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-monday-night-notes

 

Tony Pauline reports from the shrine game practices and has some interesting things to say about Cousins suitors and the idea that Hack is done and could be traded for a conditional pick.

[Jetsplayer21]

1 minute ago, Dinamite said:

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-monday-night-notes

 

Tony Pauline reports from the shrine game practices and has some interesting things to say about Cousins suitors and the idea that Hack is done and could be traded for a conditional pick.

A 7th round pick for hackenberg ? Lol. Maybe if they actually let him play a game and he did decent, could have maybe tried for a 5th. 

[SenorGato]

Ha! Someone might trade a pick for Hackenberg? Dare I say I’m back to loving my Cousins/Mayfield offseason again...

[Happy Clouds]

After 2 years of barely dressing for a game, I’m not surprised with the idea that Hack could be  done with the Jets.

I am surprised though, if there is a possibility of getting ANY sort of compensation back in return for him.

[Greenseed4]

6 minutes ago, Happy Clouds said:

I am surprised though, if there is a possibility of getting ANY sort of compensation back in return for him.

That possibility wouldn’t exist if he had suited up in week-17 and shown the league what he looks like in live game action. 

[SenorGato]

From the same site:

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Gregory Senat/T/Wagner: Senat looked as athletic as any lineman who suited up this afternoon. He was fluid, moved well on his feet and displayed a great deal of agility. He tipped the scales at 294 pounds but looks as though he has a great deal of growth potential.

 

Sounds interesting in the context of someome who would like solve RT and C through FA. 

[Jetsplayer21]

27 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

That possibility wouldn’t exist if he had suited up in week-17 and shown the league what he looks like in live game action. 

Ya but gms are not stupid. It’s one thing if Petty did decent, but gms will say “ jets were 6th worse team in league with nothing to play for, Petty is the worst qb playing , and they still won’t put their 2nd yr qb in “ Ha.

[Patriot Killa]

Arizona, Denver, Cleveland, Jets, Redskins..

DAMN.

expect this bidding war to truly get out of hand. I have a gut feeling we don’t get him.

[SenorGato]

20 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Arizona, Denver, Cleveland, Jets, Redskins..

DAMN.

expect this bidding war to truly get out of hand. I have a gut feeling we don’t get him.

Those teams’ cap space going into the 2018 offseason in millions obviously:

$27.8

$28.6

$112.4

$80.6

$53.9

So the first two don’t have the money. The other three of those teams have a legit shot at Cousins without cutting starters, he’s been shutting down one of them for 3 years now. It’s Jets vs. Browns and an easy call for Cousins. 

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Those teams’ cap space going into the 2018 offseason in millions obviously:

$27.8

$28.6

$112.4

$80.6

$53.9

So three of those teams have a legit shot at Cousins without cuttings starter, and he’s been shutting down one of them for 3 years now. The other are the Browns from Cleveland, Ohio. 

Thanks for this! 

 

But how come Denver/ARI feel they can make such a big run for him? I don’t get it. Does this mean they will be okay with letting players go in order to sign him? They just seem too cocky for my own comfort.

[SenorGato]

8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Thanks for this! 

But how come Denver/ARI feel they can make such a big run for him? I don’t get it. Does this mean they will be okay with letting players go in order to sign him? They just seem too cocky for my own comfort.

Because it’s hard making sports interesting 24/7/365 for everyone? Iunno 

[Jetsplayer21]

24 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Those teams’ cap space going into the 2018 offseason in millions obviously:

$27.8

$28.6

$112.4

$80.6

$53.9

So the first two don’t have the money. The other three of those teams have a legit shot at Cousins without cutting starters, he’s been shutting down one of them for 3 years now. It’s Jets vs. Browns and an easy call for Cousins. 

Elway will find away to make more cap room if he really wants cousins. They are requested to coach mayfield in senior game and said to like him. They won’t draft a qb in the 1st and sign cousins. Only the jets would do that lol 

[hawk]

18 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Elway will find away to make more cap room if he really wants cousins. They are requested to coach mayfield in senior game and said to like him. They won’t draft a qb in the 1st and sign cousins. Only the jets would do that lol 

Absolutely no problem with double dipping this year.

[SenorGato]

28 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Elway will find away to make more cap room if he really wants cousins. They are requested to coach mayfield in senior game and said to like him. They won’t draft a qb in the 1st and sign cousins. Only the jets would do that lol 

The max the Broncos are getting to won’t even be $45 million. They’d be the 2017-2018 San Fran Giants of the NFL, an old roster with a ton of money tied through the end of the decade hoping for one last hurrah. 

 

[JohnnyLV]

OMG I am so fuucking tired of the Cousins talk...he SUCKS...I could care less how many yards and TDs he has thrown for, when it matters he sucks balls. I am going to be so happy when he signs somewhere else hopefully

[Patriot Killa]

16 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

OMG I am so fuucking tired of the Cousins talk...he SUCKS...I could care less how many yards and TDs he has thrown for, when it matters he sucks balls. I am going to be so happy when he signs somewhere else hopefully

???? stay tuned 

[SenorGato]

1 hour ago, SenorGato said:

Those teams’ cap space going into the 2018 offseason in millions obviously:

$27.8

$28.6

$112.4

$80.6

$53.9

So the first two don’t have the money. The other three of those teams have a legit shot at Cousins without cutting starters, he’s been shutting down one of them for 3 years now. It’s Jets vs. Browns and an easy call for Cousins. 

BTW I think the Browns get Zeke Ansah, Trumaine Johnson, Malcolm Butler, and Dontari Poe in FA. Darnold and either the CB or Derwin James with their first picks. 

[Smashmouth]

as always this will come down to guaranteed money and hes already turned down 53 mil from the Skins. Im guessing teams will need to be in the 80 mil guaranteed area to have any chance. So it may look like 5 years 130 mil with 80 guaranteed

[SenorGato]

12 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

as always this will come down to guaranteed money and hes already turned down 53 mil from the Skins. Im guessing teams will need to be in the 80 mil guaranteed area to have any chance. So it may look like 5 years 130 mil with 80 guaranteed

Worth it

That said $27 million is a huge difference and this is the NFL where totally not collusion is king. I have serious doubts he gets to $80 in garauntees. Also think the total contract will top Luck’s $140.

He’ll beat Manning’s $54 million in garauntees, the last major FA QB. In that context it’s not surprising he shot down $53. 

Think more like: 5 years, $60-72 million garaunteed, and $150 million in total value. 

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, SenorGato said:

Worth it

That said $27 million is a huge difference and this is the NFL where totally not collusion is king. I have serious doubts he gets to $80 in garauntees. Also think the total contract will top Luck’s $140.

He’ll beat Manning’s $54 million in garauntees, the last major FA QB, and in that context it’s not surprising he shot down $53. 

Think more like: 5 years, $60-72 million garaunteed, and $150 million in total value 

I think its worth it as well . I also think you're numbers are in the right range 80 may be a bit too high but ya never know. What I'm concerned with is when do the numbers start to get stupid and at what point do you stop.

If we get Cousins I would love one of the dynamic RB's with the 6th pick its been long over due that we had a game changing RB ... Well I'm not sure we ever had a game changer at RB  

After that's done build up the O-line to enhance the running game and beef up protection for our new QB.

[SenorGato]

1 minute ago, Smashmouth said:

I think its worth it as well . I also think you're numbers are in the right range 80 may be a bit too high but ya never know. What I'm concerned with is when do the numbers start to get stupid and at what point do you stop.

I do think the teams with more money to spend like the Jets can do $80 ($36, $36, $8 million buy out in year 3) but just seems a little rich for NFL owners’ tastes. 

[slats]

Expect Washington to apply the transition tag, prepared to match any offer. Any team investing a lot of time in trying to sign Cousins had better have a backup plan. I'd hate to waste time and miss out on other priority FAs just to do Washington's negotiating for them. 

[SenorGato]

I thought it was long accepted they’d used the transition tag. Still no picks! Worth it! 

[BigO]

10 minutes ago, slats said:

Expect Washington to apply the transition tag, prepared to match any offer. Any team investing a lot of time in trying to sign Cousins had better have a backup plan. I'd hate to waste time and miss out on other priority FAs just to do Washington's negotiating for them. 

Hasn’t Gruden already put a stake in Cousins heart? He pretty much insulted his desire to be a team player and said he’s not worth the trouble of resigning since his apparent commitment isn’t to the Redskins. Cousins is in his prime and will be sought after by top teams in need of a QB. He’s bolting. No question. 

[T0mShane]

Unfortunately, the only person who’d give Mike Maccagnan a draft pick for Christian Hackenberg is Mike Maccagnan. 

[rangerous]

6 hours ago, SenorGato said:

Those teams’ cap space going into the 2018 offseason in millions obviously:

$27.8

$28.6

$112.4

$80.6

$53.9

So the first two don’t have the money. The other three of those teams have a legit shot at Cousins without cutting starters, he’s been shutting down one of them for 3 years now. It’s Jets vs. Browns and an easy call for Cousins. 

they don't have any money at the moment but how hard is it these teams to clear cap space?  it's probably not too hard for any team to clear 20 million at any time.

[joewilly12]

Heres the only pick you might get for Hackenberg......a tooth pick. 

[BigO]

Obviously any team that gives a conditional pick for Hack would have to be on the Atlantic or Pacific ocean. Just so their investment is safe. 

[SenorGato]

11 minutes ago, rangerous said:

they don't have any money at the moment but how hard is it these teams to clear cap space?  it's probably not too hard for any team to clear 20 million at any time.

With rollovers already included these teams won’t be able to do much beyond Cousins, low-mid tier FA, and draft even if they made space. That’s after cutting a starter and if they get Cousins cheaper than the Jets, Browns, or Redskins might for some reason. 

[FidelioJet]

The way I see it, if this report is accurate, Cousins going to Arizona is the only scenario where we might not get Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield.

Cleveland - we can either trade up and get Darnold/Rosen (trading away the farm) or land Mayfield at 6 and give up nothing.

Denver get Cousins - we can hold tight at 6 and give up nothing

Arizona - we're going to have to give up the farm to get to 3 or 4 to get Mayfield - which may or may not happen.

[nycdan]

31 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Unfortunately, the only person who’d give Mike Maccagnan a draft pick for Christian Hackenberg is Mike Maccagnan. 

Well Idzik is still hanging around...

[jack48]

Blowes will love Cousins' INTs

[jetsfansince7]

Expect Washington to apply the transition tag, prepared to match any offer. Any team investing a lot of time in trying to sign Cousins had better have a backup plan. I'd hate to waste time and miss out on other priority FAs just to do Washington's negotiating for them. 

Here is our back up plan. Sign Alex smith. He will have a huge chip onhis shoulder. Then get an edge rusher, OT and a RB with one of our second round picks. Than add more skill positions. Get that kid out of Clemson Watson used to throw to #13.


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[Lupz27]

1 hour ago, slats said:

Expect Washington to apply the transition tag, prepared to match any offer. Any team investing a lot of time in trying to sign Cousins had better have a backup plan. I'd hate to waste time and miss out on other priority FAs just to do Washington's negotiating for them. 

This.  Jay Glazer reported weeks ago the Redskins are sick of having to go year to year with Cousins, BUT want to keep Cousins, and they understand the only way they will ever get him to sign a long term deal is to let him see what he can get on the open market, and then just match it.  Glazer doesn’t report sh*t unless it comes from the horses mouth, so Cousins anywhere, but Washington is not a reality without a seriously stupid poison pill like contract.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

16 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

This.  Jay Glazer reported weeks ago the Redskins are sick of having to go year to year with Cousins, BUT want to keep Cousins, and they understand the only way they will ever get him to sign a long term deal is to let him see what he can get on the open market, and then just match it.  Glazer doesn’t report sh*t unless it comes from the horses mouth, so Cousins anywhere, but Washington is not a reality without a seriously stupid poison pill like contract.

agree, someone will probably have to send a pick to Washington, mid-round ideally but they could hold out for a 2nd similar to Jimmy G - probably cheaper than poison pill like contract - everyone "wins"

 

good news on hack, take a 7th and run - save $1.2m and let's hope Mac learned a lesson, game tape matters, not potential from personal workout