kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Ranking Jets\' all-time worst picks in top 10 of NFL Draft http://s.nj.com/oSN1dgR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Any list that doesn't have Sanchez in the top 3 is crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, section314 said: Any list that doesn't have Sanchez in the top 3 is crap. That's silly. He was not as bad a Lam Jones, not as bad D Rob, not as bad as Vernon Gholston. He won games and showed some promise, and won some playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, chirorob said: That's silly. He was not as bad a Lam Jones, not as bad D Rob, not as bad as Vernon Gholston. He won games and showed some promise, and won some playoff games. But Dewayne Robertson was a bowling ball with butcher knives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, chirorob said: That's silly. He was not as bad a Lam Jones, not as bad D Rob, not as bad as Vernon Gholston. He won games and showed some promise, and won some playoff games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, chirorob said: That's silly. He was not as bad a Lam Jones, not as bad D Rob, not as bad as Vernon Gholston. He won games and showed some promise, and won some playoff games. You are missing one key point. None of those misses really set the team back much, if at all. Sanchez was taken 5th to be out FQB, and was gone in 4 years, and has been an abject failure every other stop along the way. We are in the QB hell we are in now largely because Sanchez was a bust. When you miss on a QB in round one, it kills you for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I was gonna say every pick we ever made other than Namath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Smashmouth said: I was gonna say every pick we ever made other than Namath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jack Straw said: But Dewayne Robertson was a bowling ball with butcher knives. Plus we gave up 2 first rounders to get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, section314 said: You are missing one key point. None of those misses really set the team back much, if at all. Sanchez was taken 5th to be out FQB, and was gone in 4 years, and has been an abject failure every other stop along the way. We are in the QB hell we are in now largely because Sanchez was a bust. When you miss on a QB in round one, it kills you for years. Did the team go 2-14 after we drafted him? Did we keep missing the playoffs because of him the next few years? He wasn't good. But the team had limited success with him as the QB. The others were worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Blair Thomas. #2 overall and did squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, chirorob said: Plus we gave up 2 first rounders to get him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, chirorob said: Did the team go 2-14 after we drafted him? Did we keep missing the playoffs because of him the next few years? He wasn't good. But the team had limited success with him as the QB. The others were worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, chirorob said: Did the team go 2-14 after we drafted him? Did we keep missing the playoffs because of him the next few years? He wasn't good. But the team had limited. success with him as the QB The others were worse. Just what you want from a QB you trade up to #5 for. Sanchez led to Geno, which led to Petty and Hack. See a pattern here? Sanchez killed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, section314 said: Just what you want from a QB you trade up to #5 for. Sanchez led to Geno, which led to Petty and Hack. See a pattern here? Sanchez killed us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, section314 said: Just what you want from a QB you trade up to #5 for. Sanchez led to Geno, which led to Petty and Hack. See a pattern here? Sanchez killed us. OK. There is a good pick. There is a mediocre pick There is a bad pick There is a massive bust. Giving up 2 first rounders to get D Rob who did nothing is a massive bust. Using the #2 draft pick in the draft to take a WR who does nothing is a massive bust. Drafting a running back #2 in a loaded draft so that you pass on multiple Hall of Fame players is a massive bust. Drafting a pass rushing OLB who never gets even one sack is a massive bust. Drafting a QB top 5, while giving up a second rounder and 2 JAG players and that QB gets you to some playoff wins before falling apart as the team disintegrates around him so that he's done before 26 is a bad pick, but it is not the level of crap the others are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 28 minutes ago, section314 said: Any list that doesn't have Sanchez in the top 3 is crap. Whether or not the Jets won because of him or in spite of him, he is 4-2 in the playoffs with all 4 wins on the road. Two AFC championship games in a row. He had games where he pulled wins out of his ass. He had the tools to be a decent QB but he was the victim of piss poor development. He was never going to be an elite QB, but he could have had a nice career had it not been for Rex Ryan throwing him to the wolves in a f'n preseason game vs the Giants. The Snoopy Bowl title meant something to Rex. What a damn fool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, chirorob said: OK. There is a good pick. There is a mediocre pick There is a bad pick There is a massive bust. Giving up 2 first rounders to get D Rob who did nothing is a massive bust. Using the #2 draft pick in the draft to take a WR who does nothing is a massive bust. Drafting a running back #2 in a loaded draft so that you pass on multiple Hall of Fame players is a massive bust. Drafting a pass rushing OLB who never gets even one sack is a massive bust. Drafting a QB top 5, while giving up a second rounder and 2 JAG players and that QB gets you to some playoff wins before falling apart as the team disintegrates around him so that he's done before 26 is a bad pick, but it is not the level of crap the others are. We will just have to agree to disagree. You make valid, good points. All the guys you mentioned were busts, no question. I am coming from the angle that a high 1st round miss on a QB is much more damaging to a team, longer term, than a miss on a WR, RB or Dlineman ever could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, section314 said: You are missing one key point. None of those misses really set the team back much, if at all. Sanchez was taken 5th to be out FQB, and was gone in 4 years, and has been an abject failure every other stop along the way. We are in the QB hell we are in now largely because Sanchez was a bust. When you miss on a QB in round one, it kills you for years. I'm no Sanchez fan, but lol, no he's not one of our worst ever picks. And we're not in QB Hell today strictly because of him, ALOT of other people and mistakes played a part in where we are now. Sanchez was a meh pick. Ghost was an all-time bad pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Warfish said: I'm no Sanchez fan, but lol, no he's not one of our worst ever picks. And we're not in QB Hell today strictly because of him, ALOT of other people and mistakes played a part in where we are now. If Sanchez didn't bust, would we have had to make those mistakes? I think you know the answer to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, section314 said: We will just have to agree to disagree. You make valid, good points. All the guys you mentioned were busts, no question. I am coming from the angle that a high 1st round miss on a QB is much more damaging to a team, longer term, than a miss on a WR, RB or Dlineman ever could be. Fair enough. It's sad we have so many busted picks to argue over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, chirorob said: Fair enough. It's sad we have so many busted picks to argue over Something we can definitely agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, section314 said: Something we can definitely agree on. I just looked up the Lam Jones pick. Next selection, Anthony Munoz. 6 of the top 10 players went to the Pro Bowl. It's every bit as bad as the Blair Thomas pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, section314 said: If Sanchez didn't bust, would we have had to make those mistakes? I think you know the answer to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, section314 said: If Sanchez didn't bust, would we have had to make those mistakes? I think you know the answer to that one. Sanchez didn't bust. Again, please stop making me defend a player I don't like. Sanchez was not developed by this organization (WE never made HIM better) and he was abused by Rex leading to his injury and requisite exit. Sanchez could have been a better player if he played for a better run organization with a better Head Coach and O-Co. Also, look at what we drafted at QB that year. Stafford went ahead of Sanchez, then Sanchez, and the rest.....a horror show. Hence he is not an all-time bad pick. And yes, many MANY of our post-Sanchez mistakes had nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The Jets had 27 top 10 picks. 24 since Joe Namath. Almost 1 of 3 picks have to be on the "worst" list by default. 11. Richard Todd - A guy who imploded in the AFC championship game isn't a bad draft pick, let alone one of the worst top 10 draft picks. I can't put a guy who got us to the AFC championship on any "worst" lists. In his defense, it was the Mud Bowl, and Don Shula is a genius for not covering the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: The Jets had 27 top 10 picks. 24 since Joe Namath. Almost 1 of 3 picks have to be on the "worst" list by default. 11. Richard Todd - A guy who imploded in the AFC championship game isn't a bad draft pick, let alone one of the worst top 10 draft picks. I can't put a guy who got us to the AFC championship on any "worst" lists. In his defense, it was the Mud Bowl, and Don Shula is a genius for not covering the field. richard todd.. he HURT us more than he HELPED us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Lam Jones is somewhat underrated He was fast and had the ability to get open before he dropped the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Warfish said: Sanchez didn't bust. Again, please stop making me defend a player I don't like. Sanchez was not developed by this organization (WE never made HIM better) and he was abused by Rex leading to his injury and requisite exit. Sanchez could have been a better player if he played for a better run organization with a better Head Coach and O-Co. Also, look at what we drafted at QB that year. Stafford went ahead of Sanchez, then Sanchez, and the rest.....a horror show. Hence he is not an all-time bad pick. And yes, many MANY of our post-Sanchez mistakes had nothing to do with him. If you don't think a QB you drafted 5th is a bust, why would you take another QB 4 years later in rd 2? 4 other organizations have since come to the same conclusion.......Sanchez is not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, section314 said: If you don't think a QB you drafted 5th is a bust, why would you take another QB 4 years later in rd 2? 4 other organizations have since come to the same conclusion.......Sanchez is not good. I can give you a half dozen reasons. But you've clearly made your mind up, wrongly IMO, and I'm not going to spend the next three hours bashing my head against your wall in order to defend Mark 'f'ing Sanchez. You think he's the worst, fine. /shrug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 We could go about ANYWHERE when it comes to first round Jet busts. 1968 Lee White was #1. The following year was Steve Tannen. Also in the Weeb mix was Carl Barzolauskas (anyone remember him?). In the Walton era came Russell Carter and Ron Faurot and later was Roger Vick and Dave Cadigan, who wasn't particularly bad, but Michael Irvin was on the board at the time as were Chris Spielman and Jumbo Elliott. Then you get the Blair Thomas fiasco as well as Lam Jones and later Vernon Gholston and Kyle Wilson. Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Warfish said: I can give you a half dozen reasons. But you've clearly made your mind up, wrongly IMO, and I'm not going to spend the next three hours bashing my head against your wall in order to defend Mark 'f'ing Sanchez. You think he's the worst, fine. /shrug. Not another peep out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Ex-Rex said: We could go about ANYWHERE when it comes to first round Jet busts. 1968 Lee White was #1. The following year was Steve Tannen. Also in the Weeb mix was Carl Barzolauskas (anyone remember him?). In the Walton era came Russell Carter and Ron Faurot and later was Roger Vick and Dave Cadigan, who wasn't particularly bad, but Michael Irvin was on the board at the time as were Chris Spielman and Jumbo Elliott. Then you get the Blair Thomas fiasco as well as Lam Jones and later Vernon Gholston and Kyle Wilson. Ugh Thomas was killer because HoFer Emmett Smith was still on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Pryor, Coples and Milliner all are completely out of football and that's just in the last 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Despite not having a franchise qb, Jets passed on Tom Brady because his name last haunted them of Kyle Brady ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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