Beerfish Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Shall I explain to you the difference between ballhawk safeties that do nothing else to help a team win versus more well rounded safeties that make impact plays both in coverage and stopping the run? He had less passes defended than kony freakin ealy and only one more than mo wilk. He played well as a run stopping box safety, we have yet to see any good coverage skills at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He had less passes defended than kony freakin ealy and only one more than mo wilk. He played well as a run stopping box safety, we have yet to see any good coverage skills at all. You are acknowledging that he played well. Others here are not doing that. That is why your response is better. The others are just Beningo clones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Jack Straw said: Williams also had more interceptions in one playoff game than Jamal Adams did in 16 regular season games. He was also drafted 36 spots after Adams. And he lost a playoff game for his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Remember Erik McMillian? Lead league in INTs as a rookie and made the Pro Bowl, turns out he kind of sucked at every other aspect of being a safety and faded out of the league in a couple of years. Jamal Adams is a really good player already. Whether he evolves into a pro bow caliber safety, or not, will not be dependent solely on INTs. I get that but it would have been nice if he could have had at least as many as our defensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, The Crusher said: I get that but it would have been nice if he could have had at least as many as our defensive lineman. 1. Why should we care where they come from? 2. The ironic thing is that people here have said that safety is not a high impact position, and a safety just blew a playoff game for his team. It also happened with the Broncos and Rahim Moore against the Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, section314 said: And he lost a playoff game for his team. Something Jamal Adams will never have to worry about, so long as his GM keeps drafting strong safeties with top 10 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Jack Straw said: Something Jamal Adams will never have to worry about, so long as his GM keeps drafting strong safeties with top 10 picks. Spoken like Joe Beningo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Jack Straw said: Something Jamal Adams will never have to worry about, so long as his GM keeps drafting strong safeties with top 10 picks. Guys in the top 10 are smart enough to tackle guys on the last play of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: 1. Why should we care where they come from? 2. The ironic thing is that people here have said that safety is not a high impact position, and a safety just blew a playoff game for his team. It also happened with the Broncos and Rahim Moore against the Ravens Yes that guy missing that tackle makes Adams more valuable as a number 6th overall pick on a team with no QB, No edge rusher, No #1 corner and sitting on their butts watching the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: I feel so much better about passing over Deshaun Watson now. Don't you realize the rational thing to say is that he 100% would have gotten injured if we drafted him, because it happened in practice with Houston, rendering him useless for half the season with a career in question thereafter? Winners = us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, The Crusher said: Yes that guy missing that tackle makes Adams more valuable as a number 6th overall pick on a team with no QB, No edge rusher, No #1 corner and sitting on their butts watching the playoffs. Who felt worse on Monday? Saints fans or Jets fans? Saints fans thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Don't you realize the rational thing to say is that he 100% would have gotten injured if we drafted him, because it happened in practice with Houston, rendering him useless for half the season with a career in question thereafter? Winners = us It actually happened in the game against Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Who felt worse on Monday? Saints fans or Jets fans? Saints fans thank you very much I read one of your post first thing waking up so the answer is Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, The Crusher said: I read one of your post first thing waking up so the answer is Me. Well caveat emptor to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Yes that guy missing that tackle makes Adams more valuable as a number 6th overall pick on a team with no QB, No edge rusher, No #1 corner and sitting on their butts watching the playoffs. Just think. Now when the Jets DO get an edge rusher, number 1 corner and a QB. We'll have good players at the non premium positions and that'll form our SB team. Positive thinking my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: It actually happened in the game against Seattle That was suspected but they don’t really know. And like it matters anyway: Houston's OL makes ours look like 5 pro bowlers so what happens for 1 team doesn’t automatically happen for another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Cant even be happy for the guy without complaining. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Damarious Randall from the Packers had the same amount of INT's as Trumaine Johnson and Xavier Rhodes combined. What can you surmise from this? Jack sh-t. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 well a Dick Cavett to you my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Go back to the approximate value stat, he leads rookie safties in that stat. No matter how hard you try, that isn't a real stat. Adams also did not "lead rookie safeties in that stat,: He got a 7 AV, tied with Eddie Jackson. Budda Baker got a 9. Congratulations, Jamal Adams! On point higher AV than Marcus Maye and Williams. He had a solid rookie season. One of the better rookie safeties this year. Not exactly what I am looking for at 6 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Jack Straw said: What impact plays did Jamal Adams make in coverage? 37 minutes ago, gEYno said: I wouldn’t want to impose, you’ve given us all so much already. 25 minutes ago, Beerfish said: He had less passes defended than kony freakin ealy and only one more than mo wilk. He played well as a run stopping box safety, we have yet to see any good coverage skills at all. 17 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I get that but it would have been nice if he could have had at least as many as our defensive lineman. Sorry guys, I thought I was in a Jets forum. Didn't realize this was patsnation.com where guys are expected pick-a-part a Jets rookie just named to the All Rookie team. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: No matter how hard you try, that isn't a real stat. Adams also did not "lead rookie safeties in that stat,: He got a 7 AV, tied with Eddie Jackson. Budda Baker got a 9. Congratulations, Jamal Adams! On point higher AV than Marcus Maye and Williams. He had a solid rookie season. One of the better rookie safeties this year. Not exactly what I am looking for at 6 overall. Budda Baker got a lot of his value as a special teamer. Hence why he was named to the All Pro team as a special teamer. AND why he was named to the All Rookie team as a special teamer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Who felt worse on Monday? Saints fans or Jets fans? Saints fans thank you very much This is it guys. This is the one. This is The Greatest Post Ever Made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Jack Straw said: Two of the three starting linebackers had interceptions but the starting safety did not. Every scouting report ever written on the kid mentions his brick hands You guys either have to get a clue or let it go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Budda Baker got a lot of his value as a special teamer. Hence why he was named to the All Pro team as a special teamer. AND why he was named to the All Rookie team as a special teamer Budda Baker forced more fumbles than Adams and only had 9 less tackles. The point we're all making is that we could have gotten the same production from a strong safety in the second round that we got from picking one with the sixth pick. Picking a SS at six is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Larz said: Every scouting report ever written on the kid mentions his brick hands You guys either have to get a clue or let it go Well you know it's not going to be the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: He had a solid rookie season. One of the better rookie safeties this year. Not exactly what I am looking for at 6 overall. So which of these high impact guys taken 6th overall the last few years would you have liked? Ronnie Stanley Jake Matthews Barkevious Mingo Morris Claiborne (irony) So will it be one of the pedestrian lineman, bust OLB, or the guy we now have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Larz said: Every scouting report ever written on the kid mentions his brick hands You guys either have to get a clue or let it go I wish our general manager had read one of those reports before sprinting to the podium to draft an ancillary piece to a defense while we had gaping whale-vagina holes at QB, LT, HB, TE, WR, OLB, and CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Sorry guys, I thought I was in a Jets forum. Didn't realize this was patsnation.com where guys are expected pick-a-part a Jets rookie just named to the All Rookie team. My bad. We should have a separate forum where the real Jets fans can talk football without the ****en SOJFs putting there bias agenda on everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jack Straw said: Budda Baker forced more fumbles than Adams and only had 9 less tackles. The point we're all making is that we could have gotten the same production from a strong safety in the second round that we got from picking one with the sixth pick. Picking a SS at six is dumb. You can have those feelings, but this isnt the topic for this. This should be a thread for congratulations and well wishes @Beerfish did it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, dbatesman said: This is it guys. This is the one. This is The Greatest Post Ever Made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Jack Straw said: I wish our general manager had read one of those reports before sprinting to the podium to draft an ancillary piece to a defense while we had gaping whale-vagina holes at QB, LT, HB, TE, WR, OLB, and CB. So aside from QB, which guy at those positions would you have preferred at 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: And the other one just committed one of the memorable blunders in NFL history I remember Parcells saying starting a rookie will cost you at least one game and Marcus Williams sure cost them a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Sorry guys, I thought I was in a Jets forum. Didn't realize this was patsnation.com where guys are expected pick-a-part a Jets rookie just named to the All Rookie team. My bad. It’s cool dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: So aside from QB, which guy at those positions would you have preferred at 6? I would have taken Mahomes, but it's really irrelevant what I would have done. If you don't like what's staring at you at six, then you trade down (even if you don't like the trade value) until you can match "BAP" with a real position of need. This is particularly easy when you're a terrible team and have massive holes at the most important positions on the football field. Safety is not a difficult position to fill. Why waste your most valuable asset on it? This "best available player" nonsense needs to account for positions that are more valuable than others but in the retarded world of Mike Maccagnan, it doesn't. This BAP crap gets us into more trouble than it should. We had to run our previous first round pick out of town (Richardson) and trade him for a second rounder because our dipsh*t general manager couldn't figure how not to draft a good player at a position he was already stacked at. Think about that. He gave up an asset for pennies on the dollar because he was incapable of not drafting someone at the same position. Lastly, I'm sure the Jaguars had Jamal Adams rated higher than Fournette, but they didn't just blindly draft Adams because I'm guessing someone in the organization had the understanding that drafting safeties so high is bad business. Maybe it also occurred to them that Jamal Adams wasn't going to score them three touchdowns against the Steelers to put them in the AFC championship game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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