Freemanm Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Bleedin Green said: Short of there being any weird crap going on behind the scenes, the bold is the only part that would really make any sense for me. If the team was so unhappy with how he handled Petty (and to a lesser extent Hack) this year, I could at least generally understand why they would want to make a change, if they truly expect to be finding their QB of the future this offseason. After all, that was basically the reported mindset for why the Jets fired the QB coach last year when apparently he was originally penciled in as the future OC once Gailey retired. Now of course the same can be said for Macc and Bowles, but considering they were already decided to be kept around, it's not like they needed to double down on that. It has become apparent that Bryce Petty can get all the coaching in the world and still suck. Has it occurred to anyone on one Jets Srive that the guy simply isn't an NFL caliber QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 6 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: Seems like it was all McCown. Once he went down, the entire offense disappeared. Perhaps your giving kudos to Morton that should be directed to McCown? Even so, what should we have accomplished offensively with Bryce Petty taking snaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 hours ago, redlichtie said: I didn’t say it was Ok, so then what was your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Pac said: McCown had a fine year in Chicago a couple years ago.. Bates was his QB coach. IKNOWCRAZYRIGHT? If I’m not mistaken, He started 5 games that year. Even so, the guy has been in the league as long as Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Pac said: McCowns timely audibles, good decision making, accurate passing, and getting rid of the ball quickly didn't make Morton look good? Morton said in like 3 out his last 4 press conferences that he was not a QB guru and couldn't even answer remedial questions about why Petty was struggling, yet I'm supposed to believe Morton made McCown.. uh huh. Some of you (not you in particular) may be able to fool gullible readers into buying that preposterous narrative but I actually watched Morton talk every Thursday. Fyi -- it's bull sh-t. #TimelyAudibles2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I am starting to get a bad feeling about the Jets offseason championship ASJ turns down a "hometown" contract to the team that gave him a second chance (not getting that play for team concept or culture message?) OC fired for "off the field" behavior? had players panties in a bunch and did not know Metallica? (performance similar to DC who is still employed) Replacement option A = Bates as OC may want to bring back McCown Replacement option A = Defillippo as OC who has had a decent run with Foles Many of us would prefer the Jets draft their own franchise QB in the first round but question Mac's QB selection ability, a bust ends this regime so Bowles would start McCown or Foles over a rookie anyway The Jets only hope might be to pay Cousins $100m just to stay in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said: Because the O kept ticking like clockwork when Petty wen in for McCown......? Petty is a sub par NFL QB that will probably be out of football in 2018. The best QB coach of all time couldn't get him to perform at even an average level. A great sculptor needs a decent piece of clay to create his masterpiece. He couldn't create much of anything with a pile of festering sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: Petty is a sub par NFL QB that will probably be out of football in 2018. The best QB coach of all time couldn't get him to perform at even an average level. A great sculptor needs a decent piece of clay to create his masterpiece. He couldn't create much of anything with a pile of festering sh*t. No argument hear as to Petty abilities, BUT he went from really bad to even worse under Morton. 2016: 75/133; 56.4%; 6.08 ypa; 3 TD; 7 Int 2017: 55/112; 49.1%; 4.86 ypa; 1 TD; 3 Int Even a bad QB is supposed to improve or, at lease, not get worse with experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: I am starting to get a bad feeling about the Jets offseason championship ASJ turns down a "hometown" contract to the team that gave him a second chance (not getting that play for team concept or culture message?) OC fired for "off the field" behavior? had players panties in a bunch and did not know Metallica? (performance similar to DC who is still employed) WHy is this relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Did I miss the off field behavior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, varjet said: Did I miss the off field behavior? I think he means the reports that the players and coaches didnt get along with him. With playcalling it's less to do with choosing to run or pass and more to do with WHEN to run and pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Why is this relevant? Possible hint to player commitment and/or team culture "One Team" - "One Goal" or it could just be a selfish player that would be understandable in today's NFL just looking/waiting for more positive moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Possible hint to player commitment and/or team culture "One Team" - "One Goal" or it could just be a selfish player that would be understandable in today's NFL just looking/waiting for more positive moves Given his background and past, I would go with the selfish player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: No argument hear as to Petty abilities, BUT he went from really bad to even worse under Morton. 2016: 75/133; 56.4%; 6.08 ypa; 3 TD; 7 Int 2017: 55/112; 49.1%; 4.86 ypa; 1 TD; 3 Int Even a bad QB is supposed to improve or, at lease, not get worse with experience. I think if a QB is bad, he's bad, and no amount of coaching will help. IMO there are three types of QB's: ELITE - come right out of college and play at high level and get even better as they gain league experience. Elevates the play of the players around them and consistently get their team into the playoffs. MID LEVEL (this is the majority of the league) - decent out of college and with good coaching can improve to be consistently productive enough to keep their job for 6-8 years and depending on their team's circumstances, make a playoff run and if all the planets align, get to a Super Bowl. Bad - not ready for prime time out of college and if they get to see the field at all, they don't perform at a consistent starting QB level, no matter how good their coaching is. These guys typically lose their job fairly quickly and are dumped by their team after a few years and catch on elsewhere as a backup or are out of the league all together. Petty is a BAD QB and will be out of the league as early as next year. Hackenberg is the worst example of BAD and might night see one snap as a NFL starter before he's out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 WHeres our new oc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 hours ago, UnTypicalJET said: Signing off on the game plan and the OC calling WTF he wants in game is 2 different things. This is no different than insubordination in the workplace. Boss approves the plan and you execute it. You don’t get in game and do WTF you wanna do. That will get you fired. He sounds like a “Against the grain” type of guy. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Again , just stating openly what has been "rumored" by the masses. Bowles and perhaps Forte were the ones who were longing for the Jets to run the ball more. On the flipside its been said that Morton was pass happy and thought he was still on the Saints. Now there are two scenarios for when Petty was inserted into the lineup: 1) Bowles demanded the Jets run more because he didn't trust Petty 2) Morton gave Bowles the big FU and decided to run to show him how that would turnout - hence his giving up concession . I think the truth lies in middle of those two as the Morton scenario just seems like an idiotic thing to do for a coordinator who is in his first OC job. My belief is Bowles wore him down and given no real alternative with Petty at QB , Morton conceded to call a more run based offense. Also the insubordination thing isn't clear cut in this case as I'm sure there is much back and forth on game planning and in game calls between most Hc's and their Oc's/Dc's. I'd say its very rare to find a HC who just delgates off those duties and then steps away. If your saying Bowles fits that mold , then its even more reason he needs to be shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, ChuckkieB said: I think if a QB is bad, he's bad, and no amount of coaching will help. IMO there are three types of QB's: ELITE - come right out of college and play at high level and get even better as they gain league experience. Elevates the play of the players around them and consistently get their team into the playoffs. MID LEVEL (this is the majority of the league) - decent out of college and with good coaching can improve to be consistently productive enough to keep their job for 6-8 years and depending on their team's circumstances, make a playoff run and if all the planets align, get to a Super Bowl. Bad - not ready for prime time out of college and if they get to see the field at all, they don't perform at a consistent starting QB level, no matter how good their coaching is. These guys typically lose their job fairly quickly and are dumped by their team after a few years and catch on elsewhere as a backup or are out of the league all together. Petty is a BAD QB and will be out of the league as early as next year. Hackenberg is the worst example of BAD and might night see one snap as a NFL starter before he's out of the league. I agree with you, but under Morton Petty was worse. So, he made a bad QB, worse. He couldn't even maintain Petty's level of suckiness. But, maybe that comes down to Morton making a very big point of him not being a QB guru. Frankly, I think being a QB guru is a really important quality in an OC since the QB is an extension of the OC on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 hours ago, MDL_JET said: Why are you making this anything more then it is. The reason have been put out there and it's pretty black and white. Bowles didn't think he ran a balanced offense. He deviated from the script. Coaches didn't think he adjusted well outside of that script. Players AND coaches did not get along with him. 510 passes and 427 is about as balanced as a 5-11 team will ever be. Bowles wants a heavily run first offense apparently which does not work in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, johnnysd said: 510 passes and 427 is about as balanced as a 5-11 team will ever be. Bowles wants a heavily run first offense apparently which does not work in the NFL Run First offense does work in the NFL when you have a good OLine and a workhorse RB like Fournette, Elliot or Bell, and maybe enhanced by a QB who can scramble as well. It does not work when you have a roster like ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, johnnysd said: 510 passes and 427 is about as balanced as a 5-11 team will ever be. Bowles wants a heavily run first offense apparently which does not work in the NFL That's my point. Everyones just looking at the numbers. I think it's more to do with game situations then just Bowles looking at the total numbers at the end of the season and going "ya know what, this number should be lower". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 If Bates was the guy, then why wouldn't they have announced it yet?? The delay has me thinking they're waiting on Defilppo. And now there's some report saying Haley is interested in the Cardinals OC job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, nycdan said: Run First offense does work in the NFL when you have a good OLine and a workhorse RB like Fournette, Elliot or Bell, and maybe enhanced by a QB who can scramble as well. It does not work when you have a roster like ours. the threat of a qb who can get the ball to wrs opens up the run game and that's what the jets need if they want a truly balanced attack. i can seem them creating that if they get cousins. even if they don't i expect them to draft at least one OL in the first two rounds and also add a running back to be more of a bell cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, MDL_JET said: That's my point. Everyones just looking at the numbers. I think it's more to do with game situations then just Bowles looking at the total numbers at the end of the season and going "ya know what, this number should be lower". I think this is what bothers Bowles: Splits by Quarter Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rushing Passing Quarter #Pl ToGo Yds Att Yds Y/A TD 1D Cmp Att Cmp% Yds Y/A TD Int Sk 1D Rate ANY/A 1st Qtr 196 9.49 6.27 99 408 4.1 4 19 60 89 67.4 645 7.2 4 0 8 34 103.4 7.5 All Jets plays in 1st Qtr 2nd Qtr 265 9.21 6.19 105 355 3.4 2 17 94 148 63.5 933 6.3 6 5 12 48 80.7 5.2 All Jets plays in 2nd Qtr 3rd Qtr 240 8.21 6.62 114 591 5.2 5 26 73 118 61.9 694 5.9 4 2 8 33 82.4 5.4 All Jets plays in 3rd Qtr 4th Qtr 273 8.88 5.53 105 334 3.2 2 18 94 149 63.1 889 6.0 5 5 19 48 76.7 4.5 All Jets plays in 4th Qtr The Pass attempts at the end of the half and the game went up. Basically because they were usually trailing. Bowles has shown he wants to run the ball when he's behind at the end of a game. He's playing tic tac toe while everyone else is playing 4-D chess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Run First offense does work in the NFL when you have a good OLine and a workhorse RB like Fournette, Elliot or Bell, and maybe enhanced by a QB who can scramble as well. It does not work when you have a roster like ours. Or when your behind in most games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, nycdan said: I think this is what bothers Bowles: Splits by Quarter Share & more Modify & Share Table Embed this Table Get as Excel Workbook (experimental) Get table as CSV (for Excel) Strip Mobile Formatting Copy Link to Table to Clipboard About Sharing Tools Video: SR Sharing Tools & How-to Video: Stats Table Tips & Tricks Glossary Rushing Passing Quarter #Pl ToGo Yds Att Yds Y/A TD 1D Cmp Att Cmp% Yds Y/A TD Int Sk 1D Rate ANY/A 1st Qtr 196 9.49 6.27 99 408 4.1 4 19 60 89 67.4 645 7.2 4 0 8 34 103.4 7.5 All Jets plays in 1st Qtr 2nd Qtr 265 9.21 6.19 105 355 3.4 2 17 94 148 63.5 933 6.3 6 5 12 48 80.7 5.2 All Jets plays in 2nd Qtr 3rd Qtr 240 8.21 6.62 114 591 5.2 5 26 73 118 61.9 694 5.9 4 2 8 33 82.4 5.4 All Jets plays in 3rd Qtr 4th Qtr 273 8.88 5.53 105 334 3.2 2 18 94 149 63.1 889 6.0 5 5 19 48 76.7 4.5 All Jets plays in 4th Qtr The Pass attempts at the end of the half and the game went up. Basically because they were usually trailing. Bowles has shown he wants to run the ball when he's behind at the end of a game. He's playing tic tac toe while everyone else is playing 4-D chess. These two sentences contradict each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: These two sentences contradict each other. Hence why, I postulate, Morton is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, nycdan said: Hence why, I postulate, Morton is gone. No no. YOu said that Bowles has shown that he wants to run the ball when behind in a game. That hasn't been said specifically. All he said was that he wanted to run the ball more. It's all about situation. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: No no. YOu said that Bowles has shown that he wants to run the ball when behind in a game. That hasn't been said specifically. All he said was that he wanted to run the ball more. It's all about situation. Period. You mean like if you have the ball at the end of the half down 13-0, you pass not run, and run out the clock ? That is what happened in Denver. Todd Bowles that was his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think Morton should win an award for the job he's done this year with the Jets. We have #@$@ all for talent at the skill player positions, a porous Oline and a journeyman qb. He turned that into the best unit on the field for the Jets and is the only reason we weren't losing by 30 points every game. Once McCown went down, we had a qb who couldn't execute the offense and we saw what that did for the bottomline. Anyway, I can't talk about personalities, fit and certainly now is the only time you can still make a change, when its still early in a rebuild and before the franchise qb arrives. Still, this is pretty depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 8 hours ago, MDL_JET said: If Bates was the guy, then why wouldn't they have announced it yet?? The delay has me thinking they're waiting on Defilppo. And now there's some report saying Haley is interested in the Cardinals OC job. There is either a double-secret plan in the bag here, or the Jets are clueless. I think its Goodwin, and he, Bowles and Kacy will be on the street a year from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 hours ago, nycdan said: Run First offense does work in the NFL when you have a good OLine and a workhorse RB like Fournette, Elliot or Bell, and maybe enhanced by a QB who can scramble as well. It does not work when you have a roster like ours. You need a top 5 OL. Jets OL is bottom 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 9 hours ago, MDL_JET said: If Bates was the guy, then why wouldn't they have announced it yet?? The delay has me thinking they're waiting on Defilppo. And now there's some report saying Haley is interested in the Cardinals OC job. What a CLUSTER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, varjet said: There is either a double-secret plan in the bag here, or the Jets are clueless. I think its Goodwin, and he, Bowles and Kacy will be on the street a year from now. Jets are clueless. They fired the most competent guy on the coaching staff to replace him with Bowles’s friend Haley and Haley now doesn’t want the job How this regime survived this season is incredible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Jets are clueless. They fired the most competent guy on the coaching staff to replace him with Bowles’s friend Haley and Haley now doesn’t want the job How this regime survived this season is incredible I think the billboards and banners are coming back. Jalen Saunders was Idzik's undoing. Hack and Anderson could be Mac's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Philc1 said: Jets are clueless. They fired the most competent guy on the coaching staff to replace him with Bowles’s friend Haley and Haley now doesn’t want the job How this regime survived this season is incredible The owner was in London and told little Brother " Not to Mess with anything" while I'm away. It's delayed the Firings for 12 months, and left the new GM/HC with no money since Macc will spunk it all this off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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