HessStation Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, SenorGato said: One thing is for sure: the bad offense is in no way the offensive coordinator’s fault. Not this time anyway. Cool. Who hired him and Who's fault is 20-28 and no playoff appearances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pac said: I'll tell you which OC wouldn't be a good hire to attract Cousins. That fake tough guy Haley.. If he wouldn't let a SB winning QB playing at an MVP level audible out of plays he's certainly not going to let Cousins do it. Nobody likes being micro managed by a pseudo tough guy prick. My guess is they're all in on Defillipsh-t or whatever the hell his name is. DeFillipoospos is only coming here to be HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, SenorGato said: I’m down for whoever gets Cousins in house. Do you see Cousins falling over himself to play for a 2nd year OC coming off a bottom 10 offensive showing? Yeah no, everyone gets fired if 2018 sucks and we all know it. Unless Cousins’ sole concern is to get every last penny, regardless of the situation, there’s no way you can sell him on the stability aspect of the franchise. What OC wants this job now? They just submarined a dude after one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: DeFillipoospos is only coming here to be HC. I used to defend that question - who would come to Jets by saying there's only 32 NFL OC positions in the world. But now I really have to ask who outside of a Bowles cronie will willingly take this job . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: I used to defend that question - who would come to Jets by saying there's only 32 NFL OC positions in the world. But now I really have to ask who outside of a Bowles cronie will willingly take this job . I’ve got this dread feeling Bowles is going to hire one of his old buddies from the Cardinals staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Cool. Who hired him and Who's fault is 20-28 and no playoff appearances? The Jets after getting blocked on their top choice. That’s bad. They promptly fired him when he didn’t produce. That’s good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Unless Cousins’ sole concern is to get every last penny, regardless of the situation, there’s no way you can sell him on the stability aspect of the franchise. What OC wants this job now? They just submarined a dude after one season. I assume we’re as little as days away from the answer. Either I think money is a huge factor in the Cousins pursuit btw, you don’t do what he’s done to get sentimental at the end. Also will be a huge factor in improving the Jets’ offense as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, SenorGato said: The Jets after getting blocked on their top choice. That’s bad. They promptly fired him when he didn’t produce. That’s good. And promptly gave two year extensions to the two people in he org who also didn't produce and are more responsible than anyone for the record of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, Beerfish said: And promptly gave two year extensions to the two people in he org who also didn't produce and are more responsible than anyone for the record of the team. Morton’s first go at a huge role - 24th ranked offense. Bowles’ and GM guy’s first go: top 5 D, top 10 passing That MIGHT explain the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuffhand Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Jetscode1 said: You mean it was a bad choice to want Walton over Michaels so many years ago? Steve Serby was the media shill for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Unless Cousins’ sole concern is to get every last penny, regardless of the situation, there’s no way you can sell him on the stability aspect of the franchise. What OC wants this job now? They just submarined a dude after one season. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but the timing of this could mean they already have a person in mind through indirect talks with an agent or they are staying in house with Bates (unless I've missed something in this thread and he's not a candidate). Either way, I'm not losing sleep over this. Our QB next year will be learning a new system whether it's morton, Bates, Haley... I also don't think the new guy will run such a drastically different system than Morton. Either way, most of you hate bowles and it this move is as awful as you suggest this should lead to an awful season and his firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Morton’s first go at a huge role - 24th ranked offense. Bowles’ and GM guy’s first go: top 5 D, top 10 passing That MIGHT explain the difference. Soooo, it is better to do well with a previous regimes players and then fall on your ass and get much worse as time goes on with MASSIVE amounts of resources in fact almost all resources going to the defense? If you really think this team should have been like top 15 with the talent on offense your out of your tree. Meanwhile the Defese does worse in year 3 than the offense with all resource being put into it and you are defending the clown responsible for that? Meanwhile you want to go wild on offensive talent via FA and in the draft. Your stance in this makes no sense at all. Hate Morton and think he sucks? By all means but saying that while defending mac and bowles is beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, legler82 said: This will be Hack's 5th OC in his last 6 years. Yikes!!! Sounds perfect for him since there’s 5 oceans on planet earth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Manish should sit this one out. And the rest of them. Manish should sit out all the things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I think Morton got a raw deal this year with the talent level of the offense but I do think the plan since last offseason was to seriously address offense after the 2017 season. The FA pool will be better, the draft class looks far better in terms of QB than it did at this point last year, and we have a rough idea of what we have in the roster so we should know where to spend the money. I expect heavy offense this offseason and I expect whoever is calling plays to get us a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Your stance in this makes no sense at all. Hate Morton and think he sucks? By all means but saying that while defending mac and bowles is beyond belief. I believe it makes no sense to you because it’s not rooted in emotions or feelings like love or hate. What you see as an active defense of Bowles and Mac, I assume due to my undying bias and love and loyalty, was just pointing out some numbers that don’t jive with the popular opinion that this situation is hopeless with those guys and no stud Morton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: So Mccown is a good Qb after 15 years of being a jag. Too bad he did not rise up the offenses of the other half dozen teams he played for before the jets. I will say this then, the jets had better be doing everything they can to sign mccown for a couple more years now that we know just how good he is. Or you could argue the Jets don't have a talent issue since they made a dog like McNown look serviceable. This is why these types of arguments are chicken v. egg. No one ever laments an elite QB's "lack of weapons" because he performs no matter who he has around him. The position is just that important. I wouldn't mind the Jets drafting QBs in 1st and 2nd rounds every year going forward until they find The Guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I would be willing to endure at least 5 more losing seasons in exchange for Manish Mehta going away permanently. I value the opinion of (most) of the folks here more than I do his. We need Richard Todd and a locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Philc1 said: This organization accepts mediocrity but will always make the OC the scapegoat even if the team doing crappy isn’t their fault schottenheimer was not a scapegoat. hackett was not a scapegoat. they just sucked. and they were both here way too long. I don't think Bowles is scapegoating Morton either. I think Morton told the organization he wants out.. wants Gruden and the Raiduhs. Jets said dont let the door hit you. Truth is that none of us really know what goes on there. And we get no help from ass wipes like Mehta who can't be trusted to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: THen why did he hire him? He was the only one who would take the job. We suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Manish should sit this one out. And the rest of them. Manish should sit out all the things. I've hated Woody I thought more than I hated anything. I've kinda hated guys like Bowles and Rex. Nothing will ever match my hate for Manish and I know it's Woody's fault but he's too dumb to blame anymore. He's being run by the equivalent of a 6 year old on a twitter account. It's disturbing that this is a billion dollar franchise. It literally requires no intelligence after you buy into the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Doug Williams will be our new OC........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: The jets were 18th in the league in % of pass plays. Less than the half way median. We need to run more. Robbie anderosn is giving firing hearts to an OC that passed too much when he is 18th in the league team wise. In this league, in this rules climate you pass to set up the run as much if no more than the other way around. Tell bowles to get his sh*tacular defense to start being top 5 and then we like Jacksonville can run it all day. This joker seems to make all his decisions as if he leads a top 5 defense when it in fact sucks. We had the worst rb core, run blockers in nfl last yr. if you want to run we have to invest a lot in a nfl caliber starter rb, and a strong line across the board. We only have a “Shell” of Oline for the future. Let’s hope he progresses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Disappointing. Best OC we have had in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Jet Nut said: You don't see the difference between a coach who is your friend, who others may like and a coach who no one may like, who either refuses to run the O the HC wants run or shared the same philosophy with. That makes it wrong to move on from him now or makes him a scapegoat? 5 hours ago, Integrity28 said: I don’t think your argument is relevant. Just get to the part where you flip out and call names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 hours ago, Jet Nut said: You don't see the difference between a coach who is your friend, who others may like and a coach who no one may like, who either refuses to run the O the HC wants run or shared the same philosophy with. That makes it wrong to move on from him now or makes him a scapegoat?
redlichtie Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, slimjasi said: Disappointing. Best OC we have had in years. Heard exactly the same thing after Marty Mornhinweg season 1....and then after Chan Gailey season 1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I think Bates is going to be the new OC and McCown will be the QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 It’s a good thing Hack isn’t very good or a third offensive coordinator and scheme in three years would seem a little ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: It’s a good thing Hack isn’t very good or a third offensive coordinator and scheme in three years would seem a little ridiculous. It sounds like they've given up on him and Petty. So the continuity issue is kind of moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: I’ve got this dread feeling Really, just make this your sig and use it for every response. It will save you and everyone else, sooo much time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 With what we were getting from McCown/Morton before he went down and for Bowles to complain about the offense while his defense was failing is absurd. BTW, can anyone answer for me why Morton wasn't released on black Monday? Bowles is a weasel in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Great, now hire a coordinator that has potential of being a head coach and let him pick his QB so he can replace Bowels in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Can’t deny the overall body of work was bery good from Morton with the little he had to work with. My biggest issue was that he admittes he quit when McCown got hurt in Denver. Literally said, that it was just time to pack it in. Thats insane at any level of competitve sports, especially professional. I also blame Bowles for ALLOWING a coordinator to let his offense quit. He’s supposed to oversee the operation. So either he in on it or too stupid to see what was happening, either way Bowles should be gone too, (see: De Niro in Casino) but thats a whole other discussion. My other gripe was his “I’m not a QB guru” comment. Not every coordinator or coach has to have an extensive background with QB’s for us to ever develop one. But, he said it so casually, almost like he’ll never have an attention to developing one. And finally, there are now rumblings, and were some comments when Morton and Bates were hired that Bates was the true offensive genius. So I’m not really too upset with losing Morton honestly. I’m glad we’re keeping Bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: It sounds like they've given up on him and Petty. So the continuity issue is kind of moot. If we get our wish - continuity will be even less of an issues as more than half of the starters, on offense, will be new. #1WR, TE, RB, at least 2 OL, and, of course - QB - If Mac does his job I suspect we'll have 6 new offensive starters. At least that's my hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 This firing wasnt based on production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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