nycdan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I mean in terms of the timing. This is 4 months before the draft. When can we get this deal done? before or after FA Good question. I think it is more likely to wait until after the first wave of FA. If we sign Cousins, our need to move up changes so it would be hard to determine what the pick is worth right now. In fact, I think a lot of those deals where you aren't sure who is going to be available get set up before the draft but only get triggered on the clock if the guy the team trading up wants is there. That makes the most sense when looking at picks 3 and 4. The Jets might be willing to offer more to get to 3 if Darnold or Rosen drops. If not, they would either offer less or simply not trade up. IND would presumably have one or more of these trade-down deals in place but have to wait and see how the first two picks play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: I won't rest until we have 53 safeties on the roster The way things are going you will get a chance to sleep well before we sniff the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I mean in terms of the timing. This is 4 months before the draft. When can we get this deal done? before or after FA As soon as it’s legally possible to make a draft pick trade I’d be trying to do it, like I said IF you land Cousins in FA which I believe to be very unlikely you still get the franchise game changing edge rusher this franchise has been missing for 15 years filling 2 of the 3 most important building blocks of a football team the 3rd being a franchise LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I have no problem (well, maybe a little), going defense so long as it’s an edge rusher! Corners mean nothing when the QB has all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: In the above unlikely scenario, once Cleveland pick Allen, their phones are ringing off the hook for their second pick at 4. Likewise Indy at 3. The chances of Darnold slipping to 5 are remote. Yeah, Indy is not picking at 3 if Allen/Rosen go top 2. They're trading out to the highest bidder. The Jets should be able to have the best package to move to 3. But it would be hilarious if the Jets drafted another DB in the 1st. What a clown show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Booooooooo unless they got the FAs I wanted. Even then take a pass rusher...MY guess is that if Davenport worked out well enough to go top 15 he probably pulled some freak sh*t so it’s cool to draft him. Or take the freak OT prospect if there is one. A CB’s going to go through heck here if drafted early. Vita Vea’s going to go well before the 20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 No Arden Key in the first round? He would be very interesting at the top of round 2 if so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: As soon as it’s legally possible to make a draft pick trade I’d be trying to do it, like I said IF you land Cousins in FA which I believe to be very unlikely you still get the franchise game changing edge rusher this franchise has been missing for 15 years filling 2 of the 3 most important building blocks of a football team the 3rd being a franchise LT. Dude, come on. ILB, Safety and DT. That's your holy trinity right there. And look at our last three drafts. Actually, look at our last five! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If someone were to ask me worse case scenario....this would be it. This would be what puts me over the top and into the looney bin for good lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I could live with it I guess, LOL, that's Stockholm Syndrome In no way, shape or form is drafting a DB in 1st round acceptable for this team. Starting CBs are available in FA every season and the Jets are sitting on $100 million in cap space. Drafting a DB in 1st is inexcusable. The Jets have a scouting department. They should do their job and find one or two in later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 The weight of that hair must be crunching this man's brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 It is flawed because it has the Skins taking a QB assuming Cousins is gone, but doe not account for where Cousins ends up. If it's Denver, they are most certainly not taking a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, SMC said: LOL, that's Stockholm Syndrome In no way, shape or form is drafting a DB in 1st round acceptable for this team. Starting CBs are available in FA every season and the Jets are sitting on $100 million in cap space. Drafting a DB in 1st is inexcusable. The Jets have a scouting department. They should do their job and find one or two in later rounds. Why did you exclude the rest of my post from your quote? You'd see I completely agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Is there a second round? Did we at least select Lamar Jackson in round 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If the Jets don't sign a FA QB, a QB has to unequivocally be their 1st round pick and it looks like they're going to have to trade up to be in front of Denver if they want to get the #3 QB on the board. Drafting a CB before a QB with no legit FA QB in the fold would be a disaster of epic proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said: Is there a second round? Did we at least select Lamar Jackson in round 2? I think we got Kirk Cousins, Broncos took Darnold and Redskins took Mayfield. I would not want Jackson in the 2nd if that were the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I think we got Kirk Cousins, Broncos took Darnold and Redskins took Mayfield. I would not want Jackson in the 2nd if that were the case. Even if the Jets have Cousins, taking a Cb at 6 is still horrible. Dude better be the next Revis. And they better have two new young OL FA to boot. A lot of scenarios but Fitzpatrick at 6 is just scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 We have drafted a DB in the first round in 3 of the last 6 years. 4 of the last 9. We have also signed multiple high-priced FAs in that time. And after all that, we have exactly 2 decent Safeties and 1 decent CB who is a FA to show for it. On top of that we still can't rush the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, HessStation said: Even if the Jets have Cousins, taking a Cb at 6 is still horrible. Dude better be the next Revis. And they better have two new young OL FA to boot. A lot of scenarios but Fitzpatrick at 6 is just scary. Yeah even if he’s a good player this guy will be absolutely tortured here. One there’s the Revis shadow, then there’s some truly irate fans...It would be hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, nycdan said: We have drafted a DB in the first round in 3 of the last 6 years. 4 of the last 9. We have also signed multiple high-priced FAs in that time. And after all that, we have exactly 2 decent Safeties and 1 decent CB who is a FA to show for it. On top of that we still can't rush the passer. and yet we have drafted a dlineman 4x in the past decade in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Even if the Jets have Cousins, taking a Cb at 6 is still horrible. Dude better be the next Revis. And they better have two new young OL FA to boot. A lot of scenarios but Fitzpatrick at 6 is just scary. Like I said I'd prefer Nelson there, I know that's not the sexy pick but I'd love adding Jensen and Nelson to this OL. If it is not Nelson and we only added 1 CB in FA then I could see us taking Fitzpatrick, he really is a special player. I don't believe there is a LT that I'd want to pull the trigger on, at least at this point. I'm okay with letting Beachum have 1 more year with help across the line before I invest heavily at that position. If our FA went: Cousins Jensen Lawrence/Ansah/Adrian Clayborn EJ Gaines/Fuller/Butler (let Claiborne walk) Resign some of our own guys Then I wouldn't have any problem with Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Like I said I'd prefer Nelson there, I know that's not the sexy pick but I'd love adding Jensen and Nelson to this OL. If it is not Nelson and we only added 1 CB in FA then I could see us taking Fitzpatrick, he really is a special player. I don't believe there is a LT that I'd want to pull the trigger on, at least at this point. I'm okay with letting Beachum have 1 more year with help across the line before I invest heavily at that position. If our FA went: Cousins Jensen Lawrence/Ansah/Adrian Clayborn EJ Gaines/Fuller/Butler (let Claiborne walk) Resign some of our own guys Then I wouldn't have any problem with Fitzpatrick. I'd love any OL taken in the first, especially Nelson. Not the sexy pick but it'd be a huge upgrade for the oline. But if we went defense (ugh) and we didn't resign Davis, i'd rather R. Smith over Fitzpatrick. Gimme them non premium positions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 This is exactly what I expect to happen, as of right now. I think Kiper is dead on accurate (for today, obv. things can and will change). Get used to the idea of us drafting a DE or CB or LB at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Why did you exclude the rest of my post from your quote? You'd see I completely agree with you. I know, it's just that the sentiment "I could live with it I guess" is a product of battered fan syndrome. Browns fans probably say the same thing. It's the result of being a fan of a bad franchise. We'll "live with it" no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Warfish said: This is exactly what I expect to happen, as of right now. I think Kiper is dead on accurate (for today, obv. things can and will change). Get used to the idea of us drafting a DE or CB or LB at #6. mccags has taken a defensive player in the first round in each layer of the defense, line/lb/secondary. he'll go balls out but whiff on landing cousins. then he'll whiff on alex smith. then he'll say he's got a plan and that everyone should calm down. we'll head into the draft expecting a qb in the first round. after darnold/rosen/allen are taken in the top 5, we will all be crestfallen when mccags picks nelson. it will be even harsher when we learn that mccags had several offers to trade back, but he'll stick to his board. we'll have mccown/bridgewater and falk at qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Has Fitzpatrick ever played consistently on the outside? Or are we be spending another 6 on another hybrid player who doesn't do much of anything we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, dbatesman said: I won't rest until we have 53 safeties on the roster The game is always evolving. Maybe we are on to something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 **** THIS sh*t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Also, if Cleveland really wants Josh Allen, they should trade #1 to Denver or the Jets, take Allen at 4, and get an extra 1 next year, and the non-QB of their choice at 5 or 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, gEYno said: Also, if Cleveland really wants Josh Allen, they should trade #1 to Denver or the Jets, take Allen at 4, and get an extra 1 next year, and the non-QB of their choice at 5 or 6. If you want Allen that badly then you take him at #1. Why risk the Giants taking him or some team trading up to #2 or #3 to grab him. If they are content in "settling" for a which ever QB falls to #4 then they could also do a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: I'd love any OL taken in the first, especially Nelson. Not the sexy pick but it'd be a huge upgrade for the oline. But if we went defense (ugh) and we didn't resign Davis, i'd rather R. Smith over Fitzpatrick. Gimme them non premium positions! 1. Its good that Kiper had this as his mock, because hes almost certain to be wrong. I agree with these being the top 5 prospects but i bet someone sneaks in there. 2. During the season there was never a consensus dominant LT. I know people want to close their eyes and make there be a franchise LT our pick. McGlinchey is seen as ok, perhaps a product of Nelson...and Williams is seem as ok. Nothing to get too excited about. Same for Orlando Brown. I dont really want to be the team that overdrafts them. 3.Nelson the guard and Fitzpatrick the safety are both devastating choices, as far as value is concerned at pick 6. 4. If indeed that is the top 5, then at 6 it better be a.Mayfield (unless FA) b. The class’s best Edge c. Trade down d. Ridley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, prime21 said: If you want Allen that badly then you take him at #1. Why risk the Giants taking him or some team trading up to #2 or #3 to grab him. If they are content in "settling" for a which ever QB falls to #4 then they could also do a trade. It seems exceptionally unlikely that Allen is going to get taken by someone else. Worth the risk as you'll still be able to get a top QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, gEYno said: Also, if Cleveland really wants Josh Allen, they should trade #1 to Denver or the Jets, take Allen at 4, and get an extra 1 next year, and the non-QB of their choice at 5 or 6. A team that's dumb enough to spend a top-6 pick on Josh Allen isn't smart enough to pull off a caper like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, SMC said: I know, it's just that the sentiment "I could live with it I guess" is a product of battered fan syndrome. Browns fans probably say the same thing. It's the result of being a fan of a bad franchise. We'll "live with it" no matter what. Yea I mean I would understand the reasoning pending certain things happen before this selection. At this far out from the draft I'm not going to get myself worked up about a mock draft. There are situations I don't want this pick too so at this point I'll fall in the middle until it gets closer to see how FA pans out. So yea at this point I'm kinda okay with seeing what happens first especially because this probably isn't even correct because a team could be trading up for a QB too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: A team that's dumb enough to spend a top-6 pick on Josh Allen isn't smart enough to pull off a caper like this. Mike Maccaggnnann: Hold my beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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