Kiper's Mock 1.0 (JN server would crash)

[Warfish]

17 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

Over the last 16 years, in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft, the Jets have drafted as many safeties (4) and cornerbacks (4) as they have WR/TE/RB's (4) combined. 

Jets Rankings on Offense the Past 16 Years (Scoring/Yardage):

2017- 24/28
2016- 30/26
2015- 11/10
2014- 28/22
2013- 29/25
2012- 28/30
2011- 13/25
2010- 13/11
2009- 17/20
2008- 9/16
2007- 25/26
2006- 18/25
2005- 29/31
2004- 17/12
2003- 23/19
2002- 15/22

This is an appalling record of near-consistent futility.

O-Co's over this period:

John Morton (2017) - One Near Worst in NFL
Chan Gailey (2015-2016) -- One Near Top 10, One Near Worst in NFL
Marty Mornhinweg (2013-2014) -- Two Near Worst in NFL
Brian Schottenheimer (2006-2011) -- In Hindsight, better then we thought at the time, consistently Middle-of-NFL Years (Avg, = 15.8 Rank in Scoring)
Mike Heimerdinger (2005) -- One Near Worst in NFL
Paul Hackett (2001-2004) -- Middle of Road to Below Average Three Years.

In 16 seasons, we'd three, just three, that were really above-average for this league.

Pathetic.  No wonder so many of us are so deeply uninspired.  This franchise has no pop.  None.

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Jets Rankings on Offense the Past 16 Years (Scoring/Yardage):

2017- 24/28
2016- 30/26
2015- 11/10
2014- 28/22
2013- 29/25
2012- 28/30
2011- 13/25
2010- 13/11
2009- 17/20
2008- 9/16
2007- 25/26
2006- 18/25
2005- 29/31
2004- 17/12
2003- 23/19
2002- 15/22

This is an appalling record of near-consistent futility.

O-Co's over this period:

John Morton (2017) - One Near Worst in NFL
Chan Gailey (2015-2016) -- One Near Top 10, One Near Worst in NFL
Marty Mornhinweg (2013-2014) -- Two Near Worst in NFL
Brian Schottenheimer (2006-2011) -- In Hindsight, better then we thought at the time, consistently Middle-of-NFL Years (Avg, = 15.8 Rank in Scoring)
Mike Heimerdinger (2005) -- One Near Worst in NFL
Paul Hackett (2001-2004) -- Middle of Road to Below Average Three Years.

In 16 seasons, we'd three, just three, that were really above-average for this league.

Pathetic.  No wonder so many of us are so deeply uninspired.  This franchise has no pop.  None.

only guy who had the balls to get it done was tanny and he couldn't evaluate talent.  

that said, mccags knows if he doesn't get a guy who he can point to and say this is the qb of the future, he is gone.  he cannot sell the fans another year of stopgap qb and middling draft pick qb while drafting defense again.  

[kdels62]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

mccags has taken a defensive player in the first round in each layer of the defense, line/lb/secondary.  

he'll go balls out but whiff on landing cousins.  then he'll whiff on alex smith.  then he'll say he's got a plan and that everyone should calm down.

we'll head into the draft expecting a qb in the first round.  after darnold/rosen/allen are taken in the top 5, we will all be crestfallen when mccags picks nelson.  it will be even harsher when we learn that mccags had several offers to trade back, but he'll stick to his board.

we'll have mccown/bridgewater and falk at qb.

Holy sh*t this was my dream last night. Except it was Case Keenum/Petty/ Falk 

[Jack Straw]

1 minute ago, Warfish said:

Jets Rankings on Offense the Past 16 Years (Scoring/Yardage):

2017- 24/28
2016- 30/26
2015- 11/10
2014- 28/22
2013- 29/25
2012- 28/30
2011- 13/25
2010- 13/11
2009- 17/20
2008- 9/16
2007- 25/26
2006- 18/25
2005- 29/31
2004- 17/12
2003- 23/19
2002- 15/22

This is an appalling record of near-consistent futility.

O-Co's over this period:

John Morton (2017) - One Near Worst in NFL
Chan Gailey (2015-2016) -- One Near Top 10, One Near Worst in NFL
Marty Mornhinweg (2013-2014) -- Two Near Worst in NFL
Brian Schottenheimer (2006-2011) -- In Hindsight, better then we thought at the time, consistently Middle-of-NFL Year (Avg, = 15.8 Rank in Scoring)
Mike Heimerdinger (2005) -- One Near Worst in NFL
Paul Hackett (2001-2004) -- Middle of Road to Below Average Three Years.

In 16 seasons, we'd three, just three, that were really above-average for this league.

Pathetic.  No wonder so many of us are so deeply uninspired.  This franchise has no pop.  None.

Those rankings are most certainly pathetic, but it's not surprising given the hostility the organization has shown towards allocating resources to the offensive side of the ball. Ownership has only invested in defensive-minded Head Coaches (Al Groh, Herm Edwards, Eric Mangini, Rex Ryan, Todd Bowles) and coupled their head coaches with general managers who only invest their top resources (draft picks) in defense. 

The Jets have had 30 draft picks in the top two rounds of the draft over the last 16 years, and they've only invested 4 of those picks in WRs/TE/RBs. So 13% of their top resources (draft picks) were dedicated towards drafting players who can actually score touchdowns, and their bust rate on the 13% of the players they picked is 75% (Stephen Hill, Jace Amaro, Devin Smith), with only Dustin Keller (born with two left legs) becoming serviceable. 

As if wasting all the premium draft picks on defense wasn't bad enough, they double-down by using the majority of their free agent money doing what? That's right: signing more defensive players (re-signing David Harris, signing Revis, Gilchrist, Skrine, Cromartie)!

It's no surprise that the offense has been an embarrassment for 16 years.

[UnitedWhofans]

@Jack StrawWho would you draft if we already signed Cousins and the draft order came down like that?

[Jack Straw]

19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

@Jack StrawWho would you draft if we already signed Cousins and the draft order came down like that?

Revert back to me in April and I'll have an answer for you. However, as I see it we don't need another "hybrid" middle of the field roamer - we have plenty of those in Darron Lee, Jamal Adams, Marcus Maye. 

If Fitzpatrick is the consensus #1 corner on the board and he can play outside 100% of the time, then fine. But drafting someone who can't play one position full time is stupid, and if they have to turn around and move him inside in two years because he can't handle man to man coverage as a CB, then I'm going to drive a dump truck through the offices at Florham Park. 

Also, finding someone who can score touchdowns would be nice. Whether that's done at six or by trading down, I don't care. But it's a priority. 

[Philc1]

We’d be better off drafting Minka Kelly

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

@Jack StrawWho would you draft if we already signed Cousins and the draft order came down like that?

Mason Rudolph 

[southparkcpa]

5 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

We’d be better off drafting Minka Kelly

If we draft  anyone other than a QB im gonna nuke Metlife.

[Pennington]

I know that Mogglez thinks the Jets like Mayfield but Cimini is convinced that there is no way the Jets are picking him.

[peebag]

2 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

only guy who had the balls to get it done was tanny and he couldn't evaluate talent.  

that said, mccags knows if he doesn't get a guy who he can point to and say this is the qb of the future, he is gone.  he cannot sell the fans another year of stopgap qb and middling draft pick qb while drafting defense again.  

This is the make/break year for both Mac and Cheese Bowles.

[HessStation]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Jets Rankings on Offense the Past 16 Years (Scoring/Yardage):

2017- 24/28
2016- 30/26
2015- 11/10
2014- 28/22
2013- 29/25
2012- 28/30
2011- 13/25
2010- 13/11
2009- 17/20
2008- 9/16
2007- 25/26
2006- 18/25
2005- 29/31
2004- 17/12
2003- 23/19
2002- 15/22

This is an appalling record of near-consistent futility.

O-Co's over this period:

John Morton (2017) - One Near Worst in NFL
Chan Gailey (2015-2016) -- One Near Top 10, One Near Worst in NFL
Marty Mornhinweg (2013-2014) -- Two Near Worst in NFL
Brian Schottenheimer (2006-2011) -- In Hindsight, better then we thought at the time, consistently Middle-of-NFL Years (Avg, = 15.8 Rank in Scoring)
Mike Heimerdinger (2005) -- One Near Worst in NFL
Paul Hackett (2001-2004) -- Middle of Road to Below Average Three Years.

In 16 seasons, we'd three, just three, that were really above-average for this league.

Pathetic.  No wonder so many of us are so deeply uninspired.  This franchise has no pop.  None.

Holy Lord. I never realized it was that awful.

[BigRy56]

What everybody is missing here is that if all of those QBs go top 5 AND Washington is taking Mayfield at 13, that means we more than likely landed Cousins.

If we landed Cousins and put some pieces around him through FA and we drafted the best corner, is it that big of a deal?

If Josh Allen blows the senior bowl, no way he is #1. Post free agency is where the real mock draft fun begins.

[SenorGato]

10 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

What everybody is missing here is that if all of those QBs go top 5 AND Washington is taking Mayfield at 13, that means we more than likely landed Cousins.

If we landed Cousins and put some pieces around him through FA and we drafted the best corner, is it that big of a deal?

If Josh Allen blows the senior bowl, no way he is #1. Post free agency is where the real mock draft fun begins.

True story, definitely a scenario where this pick could work.

[SMC]

Jalen Ramsey was drafted 5th overall in 2016 and made the 1st team All Pro Team this year. Xavier Rhodes also was 1st team All Pro and was drafted 25th overall.  Darius Slay was also 1st team All Pro, but was drafted in 2nd round.

All Pro 2nd teamer Casey Hayward  was drafted in 2nd round and A. J. Bouye went undrafted.

There's no Jalen Ramsey in this draft to even consider taking a DB at 6.  Christopher Johnson would need to fire Macc if Macc considered taking a DB at 6, strip him of his facility access card and parking pass and have security escort him out of Florham Park

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, SMC said:

 

There's no Jalen Ramsey in this draft to even consider taking a DB at 6.  Christopher Johnson would need to fire Macc if Macc considered taking a DB at 6, strip him of his facility access card and parking pass and have security escort him out of Florham Park

it would be a gross irresponsible use of resources, for a team with no qb, no rb, no true #1 wr and no stud on the offensive line.  it's absurd to even consider it.

[Sperm Edwards]

6 hours ago, Ex-Rex said:

Jet secondary definitely needs upgrade for sure, but a QB should be the first order of business. I expect they will do something in FA as they won't get Darnold or Allen apparently. I don't really like Rosen. He is skinny and injury prone and the Jets OL won't do him any favors.

• Passers
• Backs
• Receivers
• OL
• DL
• LBs / Pass rushers
• Secondary

Name the Jets' position group that doesn't need an upgrade.

[SMC]

14 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

What everybody is missing here is that if all of those QBs go top 5 AND Washington is taking Mayfield at 13, that means we more than likely landed Cousins.

If we landed Cousins and put some pieces around him through FA and we drafted the best corner, is it that big of a deal?

If Josh Allen blows the senior bowl, no way he is #1. Post free agency is where the real mock draft fun begins.

I would say it would be a big deal because it's mismanaging a roster and mismanaging the teams finances.

Finding a starting CB in free agency is far easier than finding skilled position players.  Jags signed in FA a CB that made the All Pro Team.  Also, drafting 3 DBs in 1st 2 rounds in 2 years sets up a salary cap dilemna where the team might not be able to re-sign all 3 once their rookie deals are up.  It's misuse of cap to spend all that money on 1 position, especially non-premium positions.

[The Walrus]

There's going to be trades and free agency between now and the draft. This mock is next to useless and done in a vacuum. Once FA is done then it gets more relevant.

[Ghost]

No. No. No. After Kyle Wilson and Dee Milliner. Brings back nightmares. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, The Walrus said:

There's going to be trades and free agency between now and the draft. This mock is next to useless and done in a vacuum. Once FA is done then it gets more relevant.

And even then it's still a crap shoot. The bears signed Glennon last off-season so everyone assumed they weren't going QB early, then they went after trubisky. 

[Larz]

If the Jets sign cousins and that pass rusher, and they pick there, it's Fitzpatrick or Nelson 

I would greatly prefer Nelson, but wouldn't hate Fitzpatrick 

If they don't land cousins, they have to trade up for a QB 

I think Cleveland trades #4

[HessStation]

The worst part is the write that he would replace Claiborne. I mean, at least resign Claiborne so it's not an addition by subtraction.

i also realize it's a mock 1 and just a mock but still Mel, you're killing me bro

[HessStation]

13 minutes ago, Larz said:

If the Jets sign cousins and that pass rusher, and they pick there, it's Fitzpatrick or Nelson 

I would greatly prefer Nelson, but wouldn't hate Fitzpatrick 

If they don't land cousins, they have to trade up for a QB 

I think Cleveland trades #4

...if all that...and if Fitpatrick runs a 4.3 and jumps out the building and hips look great....and if they resign Claiborne. 

 

...And if they also sign guys like Norwell and Jensen...

[The Walrus]

2 minutes ago, HessStation said:

The worst part is the write that he would replace Claiborne. I mean, at least resign Claiborne so it's not an addition by subtraction.

i also realize it's a mock 1 and just a mock but still Mel, you're killing me bro

Agree. We have the money and Claiborne performed fine, sign him back up otherwise why did we bring him in.

[Matt39]

4 hours ago, Pennington said:

I know that Mogglez thinks the Jets like Mayfield but Cimini is convinced that there is no way the Jets are picking him.

There's a better chance the Jets take a punter at 6 than Mayfield.

[CotcheryifyouCan]

3 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

• Passers
• Backs
• Receivers
• OL
• DL
• LBs / Pass rushers
• Secondary

Name the Jets' position group that doesn't need an upgrade.

punter baby!

[Philc1]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

There's a better chance the Jets take a punter at 6 than Mayfield.

Hopefully you’re right

[joewilly12]

In ESPN Mel Kiper's first mock draft, the Jets select Alabam CB Minkah Fitzpatrick with the No. 6 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.

 

Expect it. 

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

No. No. No. After Kyle Wilson and Dee Milliner. Brings back nightmares. 

Jets would have drafted Apple too bad he fell to jets 

[Doggin94it]

12 hours ago, nycdan said:

The kid would have to be Revis 2.0 without the bad attitude from day 1 and he'd still be under a microscope all season.  No pressure there. 

It does raise an interesting question though.  If Chubb and Barkley are both off the board and we signed Cousins, who would be the best pick?  McGlinchey maybe?  Hard to disagree with the top DB on the board even though it would melt the faces off half the fans.  Personally, that feels like an opportunity to trade down with a team like WAS or ARI (who might want to move up to grab Mayfield).

McGlinchey or Connor Williams

[Larz]

2 hours ago, HessStation said:

...if all that...and if Fitpatrick runs a 4.3 and jumps out the building and hips look great....and if they resign Claiborne. 

 

...And if they also sign guys like Norwell and Jensen...

Why do you like Norwell and Jensen? 

Please catch me up 

Not being sarcastic 

[rangerous]

if they sign cousins just about any top position player with the 6 pick is okay.  corner?  yes. edge? yes. offensive tackle? yes and so on.  but if they do sign cousins i think they should also draft a qb like luke falk  in the later rounds and prep the guy to step when cousins' contract runs out. minkah fitzpatrick?  he better be able to play corner in a big way.

[BigO]

16 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Drafting a 3rd Safety in 2 years sounds like something this regime would do they are that clueless.  And make no mistake Minkah is a Safety, he would be Kyle Wilson bad as a CB.

But he could be mentored by Skrine. How invaluable would this opportunity be for him. We could just keep drafting safeties and plug them in all over the place. Box safeties, hybrid safties, cover safeties. We could draft rb’s, wr’s, qb’s and convert them to safties. Just think of the possibilities. You can never have enough safties. Better to be safe than sorry. 

[BigO]

6 hours ago, Larz said:

If the Jets sign cousins and that pass rusher, and they pick there, it's Fitzpatrick or Nelson 

I would greatly prefer Nelson, but wouldn't hate Fitzpatrick 

If they don't land cousins, they have to trade up for a QB 

I think Cleveland trades #4

This. That. We are not signing Cousins. Get it through your heads, he’s not coming to a dysfunctional team lacking talent. He wants to win and he’s in his prime and he has his pick of the litter. Cleveland likes to trade their picks. But there’s a new sheriff in town and he may change that style. Still, If they draft a QB, it would be wise for them to trade #4 and add picks. We trade with Browns, take Mayfield and don’t look back.