Patriot Killa Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/jets/perfect-jets-plan-jeremy-bates-oc-sign-kirk-cousins-article-1.3764056 Here’s the perfect plan for the Jets: Promote Jeremy Bates to offensive coordinator and sign Kirk Cousins MANISH MEHTA JAN 18, 2018 11:45 AM There is one smart and practical path for the Jets to accelerate their rebuilding process now that offensive coordinator John Morton has been officially whacked. The two-pronged strategy: Promote Jeremy Bates and sign Kirk Cousins. It's that simple, folks. A Bates-Cousins tandem would help set a quality foundation to give the Jets offense a fighting chance to be relevant. Although the duo isn't an elixir — Gang Green still needs to add AT LEAST one OW (Offensive Weapon) this offseason — it would be a solid start for an offense stocked with middling talent. The Daily News reported last week that the Jets have had internal discussions about elevating Bates from quarterbacks coach only if he were all-in for the new gig. The bottom line: The Jets won’t force him to take on play-calling duties if he doesn’t feel comfortable with it. The feeling now is that he would welcome the new role. Gang Green would hire a run-game coordinator to assist Bates as well. Bates has been the Jets' preference all along due to his football acumen — he's regarded as the brightest offensive mind in the building — and the importance of stability within the organization. Bates, who took a four-year hiatus from the sport after getting fired as the Bears quarterbacks coach after the 2012 season, has prior experience as a play-caller unlike Morton. He coached Jay Cutler to his only Pro Bowl season as the Broncos play-caller in 2008 and was the Seattle offensive coordinator in 2010. "He was instrumental early in my career," Cutler said about Bates in September. "Getting me off to a good start. (He's) one of the best play-callers and coaches I've ever been around to this day. … He knows the game. He does a really good job of teaching fundamentals, keeping your base. … When I had him, he was calling plays. It's an art form. There's an art to it. It's not something you can jump into and be good at it. He's got the knack for it. It comes naturally to him." Bates flourished under Mike Shanahan, helping the Broncos finish second in total offense, second in yards per play and third in passing offense in 2008. Cutler was sacked a career-low 11 times thanks, in part, to Bates' understanding of pass protection schemes to protect his most valuable asset. Bates would be an ideal fit for Cousins, who first thrived in Mike and Kyle Shanahan's system. Cousins, the clear-cut best veteran quarterback option this offseason, would instantly lift the Jets offense. It'll be up to the team's brain trust to give Bates and Cousins more offensive weapons, but this would be a hell of a good start for the folks on One Jets Drive. There are some quality external OC candidates like Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, former Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley and former Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, but Bates might be the most practical given the dynamics at play. DeFilippo, who was blocked by Philly to interview for the Jets' opening last year, is still in the mix for the Cardinals head coach vacancy. For argument's sake, even if he were to come to the Jets, there's no guarantee that he would stick around beyond 2018. He could conceivably be a head coach somewhere in 2019. Haley, who was on two different staffs with Todd Bowles (Cowboys and Jets), might be a better fit on paper than in practice. Bates makes sense. Bates and Cousins make even more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
There is one smart and practical path for the Jets to accelerate their rebuilding process now that offensive coordinator John Morton has been officially whacked. The two-pronged strategy: Promote Jeremy Bates and sign Kirk Cousins. It's that simple, folks. A Bates-Cousins tandem would help set a quality foundation to give the Jets offense a fighting chance to be relevant. Although the duo isn't an elixir — Gang Green still needs to add AT LEAST one OW (Offensive Weapon) this offseason — it would be a solid start for an offense stocked with middling talent. The Daily News reported last week that the Jets have had internal discussions about elevating Bates from quarterbacks coach only if he were all-in for the new gig. The bottom line: The Jets won’t force him to take on play-calling duties if he doesn’t feel comfortable with it. The feeling now is that he would welcome the new role. Gang Green would hire a run-game coordinator to assist Bates as well. Bates has been the Jets' preference all along due to his football acumen — he's regarded as the brightest offensive mind in the building — and the importance of stability within the organization. Bates, who took a four-year hiatus from the sport after getting fired as the Bears quarterbacks coach after the 2012 season, has prior experience as a play-caller unlike Morton. He coached Jay Cutler to his only Pro Bowl season as the Broncos play-caller in 2008 and was the Seattle offensive coordinator in 2010. "He was instrumental early in my career," Cutler said about Bates in September. "Getting me off to a good start. (He's) one of the best play-callers and coaches I've ever been around to this day. … He knows the game. He does a really good job of teaching fundamentals, keeping your base. … When I had him, he was calling plays. It's an art form. There's an art to it. It's not something you can jump into and be good at it. He's got the knack for it. It comes naturally to him." Bates flourished under Mike Shanahan, helping the Broncos finish second in total offense, second in yards per play and third in passing offense in 2008. Cutler was sacked a career-low 11 times thanks, in part, to Bates' understanding of pass protection schemes to protect his most valuable asset. Bates would be an ideal fit for Cousins, who first thrived in Mike and Kyle Shanahan's system. Cousins, the clear-cut best veteran quarterback option this offseason, would instantly lift the Jets offense. It'll be up to the team's brain trust to give Bates and Cousins more offensive weapons, but this would be a hell of a good start for the folks on One Jets Drive. There are some quality external OC candidates like Eagles quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, former Steelers offensive coordinator Todd Haley and former Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, but Bates might be the most practical given the dynamics at play. DeFilippo, who was blocked by Philly to interview for the Jets' opening last year, is still in the mix for the Cardinals head coach vacancy. For argument's sake, even if he were to come to the Jets, there's no guarantee that he would stick around beyond 2018. He could conceivably be a head coach somewhere in 2019. Haley, who was on two different staffs with Todd Bowles (Cowboys and Jets), might be a better fit on paper than in practice. Bates makes sense. Bates and Cousins make even more sense.
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Whatever lands Cousins, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 We want to sign Kirk Cousins so we can hand off into the line 65% of the time next year. Makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We want to sign Kirk Cousins so we can hand off into the line 65% of the time next year. Makes sense! they'd draft nelson and a big rb in the 2nd round and this team would morph into the type of team parcells had with vinny in 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 For my money - this is all but done then. I'm not all that enthused about either of these things happening. I think Mehta's statement... A Bates-Cousins tandem would help set a quality foundation to give the Jets offense a fighting chance to be relevant. Relevance doesn't seem to me what should be the end goal of the organization - I want championship caliber - I'm not sure Cousins for $30mm a year gets you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Well, now we know who Manish's source in the building was. It was Bates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Warfish said: Well, now we know who Manish's source in the building was. It was Bates. not only that. i'm wondering if bates told mccags, i only want to be the OC if you go balls out to get cousins. obviously mccags can't guarantee he will get him, but he can promise to try his best. i think bates saw what morton went through last year and doesn't want a mccown/petty/falk bs thing. he wants a real qb or he wants out, and i think that's why he may have balked initially about being promoted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 At this point, there should just be a Mehta icon next to every piece of info that comes out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Sign Cousins and i'll be happy. That gives us a lot of options with that 6th pick in the draft then. I feel like we'd have to make a move for QB in the draft in the first round if we don't sign a legit starter in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Lamar Jackson, Lev Bell, Sonny Michel, Watkins, Robbie Anderson, Kearney, Enunwa, and Tyler Eifert (should be a low cost guaranteed money wise with possible high cost incentives that you would be more then happy to pay) Jensen, and Norwell! This is a more LONG term plan then Cousins, and cheaper the first 4 years allowing to build up the rest of the roster while paying Jackson on his rookie deal. **** Todd Bowles, and spending big money, and high draft picks on that sh*t scheme he calls defense, go all in, and make a splash on offense, and one that would feature (the OC whoever he is better know how to design a creative offense around Jackson’s rare skill set while utilizing the blazing speed of Watkins, Anderson, and Michel, and then also heavily lean on Bell, and use Eifert as a red zone target where he excels when healthy, and Q, and Kearse for possession routes inside) all these guys strengths explained in the parentheses. I know as of NOW Jackson is not a highly thought of option in the first round, but I definitely can see that changing come late March early April. This would be the excitement offensively this team has missed since the O’Brein to Toon, Shuler, Walker, McNeil, Hector days that got wasted anyways by poor coaching except for some reason VS the Dolphins, and Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: not only that. i'm wondering if bates told mccags, i only want to be the OC if you go balls out to get cousins. obviously mccags can't guarantee he will get him, but he can promise to try his best. i think bates saw what morton went through last year and doesn't want a mccown/petty/falk bs thing. he wants a real qb or he wants out, and i think that's why he may have balked initially about being promoted here. Two things: - Bates turned the OC gig before Morton was fired. Could be manners, could be more serious issues - speculation either way. - GM guy’s been chasing Cousins since 2015, not sure Bates has to push it too hard I like the idea of a running game coordinator/ OL coach ala Callahan. Add that role plus a president of foozeball operations, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1. Nice 2. Wtf is a running game coordinator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Two things: - Bates turned the OC gig before Morton was fired. Could be manners, could be more serious issues - speculation either way. - GM guy’s been chasing Cousins since 2015, not sure Bates has to push it too hard I like the idea of a running game coordinator/ OL coach ala Callahan. Add that role plus a president of foozeball operations, please! Well a passing game coordinator, and a OL/running game coordinator is a Parcells thing so wouldn’t be shocked if Bowles did something similar, he would just have to pick which one he prefers to be the play caller on Sundays, or who doesn’t want to be the play caller maybe in this case, Bates might be like here is my plays, my game plan, my attack plan every week, and hand it off to a guy to use it as he sees fit, basically this was Sparano him being the singer so to speak, and Haley was the song writer back in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BrickTamland said: 1. Nice 2. Wtf is a running game coordinator? It's like a clock manager expert, but for OC's. Danged if I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: 1. Nice 2. Wtf is a running game coordinator? See Tony Sparano 2006 Dallas Cowboys. Basically an OL coach who designs blocking schemes for running plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Lupz27 said: See Tony Sparano 2006 Dallas Cowboys. Basically an OL coach who designs blocking schemes for running plays. Why wouldn't he be an OL coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, flgreen said: Why wouldn't he be an OL coach? Because in Sparano’s case he called the plays, but did not design the passing plays, Haley did who was WR coach/passing game coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Two things: - Bates turned the OC gig before Morton was fired. Could be manners, could be more serious issues - speculation either way. - GM guy’s been chasing Cousins since 2015, not sure Bates has to push it too hard I like the idea of a running game coordinator/ OL coach ala Callahan. Add that role plus a president of foozeball operations, please! allegedly he turned down the OC gig, but rumors are he is now being considered. maybe after the season he and mccags had a talk about what they intend to do for qbs this offseason. or maybe he never turned down the gig. although mccags has been chasing cousins for a few years, this year is the first year he's got a real shot of landing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Well a passing game coordinator, and a OL/running game coordinator is a Parcells thing so wouldn’t be shocked if Bowles did something similar, he would just have to pick which one he prefers to be the play caller on Sundays, or who doesn’t want to be the play caller maybe in this case, Bates might be like here is my plays, my game plan, my attack plan every week, and hand it off to a guy to use it as he sees fit, basically this was Sparano him being the singer so to speak, and Haley was the song writer back in Dallas. Wouldn’t be even a little bit surprised if this was what the Arians talk is about. Keep in mind that the last time Bowles and GM guy cobbled a good team together the running offense (20th) and STs were the worst units (25th). Cousins, a new right side of the OL btw FA and the draft, Bell, and a premier pass rusher or CB in the draft turns sh*t around faaaaast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: Wouldn’t be even a little bit surprised if this was what the Arians talk is about. Keep in mind that the last time Bowles and GM guy cobbled a good team together the running offense (20th) and STs were the worst units (25th). Cousins, a new OL btw FA and the draft, Bell, and a premier pass rusher or CB in the draft turns sh*t around faaaaast. we're not paying for bell. this draft is incredibly deep at rb and the jets have 2 2nd rounders. if the jets got cousins, i could easily see them taking nelson at 6 and a rb like jones from USC in the 2nd. that would really improve the offense and create a nice balanced attack, they'd have powell as the senior rb now with forte out, all the rbs can catch and they'd also get enunwa back. as much as i'd love them to draft a qb and have that excitement, this plan actually would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Because in Sparano’s case he called the plays, but did not design the passing plays, Haley did who was WR coach/passing game coordinator. Hmmmm, well I guess they can call it anything they want, but it seems like the same kind of mentality that calls a garbage man, a sanitation engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 "Todd Haley might be a better fit on paper than in practice because I just wrote 580 words about why some other guy is a good fit and can't think of one reason why Haley would be a bad fit so don't ask me any questions on why I said that, just listen to me because there's a storm brewing in Florham Park and I know a lot about football and Todd Bowles is a genius and Doug Marrone is a disaster and is just doing what anyone else would be doing in Jacksonville, so don't question me. Just know that Todd Haley is a better fit on paper than in practice." - Manish Mehta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: we're not paying for bell. this draft is incredibly deep at rb and the jets have 2 2nd rounders. if the jets got cousins, i could easily see them taking nelson at 6 and a rb like jones from USC in the 2nd. that would really improve the offense and create a nice balanced attack, they'd have powell as the senior rb now with forte out, all the rbs can catch and they'd also get enunwa back. as much as i'd love them to draft a qb and have that excitement, this plan actually would be fine. Meh, I’m a non-believer on this and fully support Bell + a 2nd/3rd round RB. It’s 2018, they’ve used a tandem back system for years and it has worked both for the Jets and contenders. I’d also say signing Bell is infinitely more likely than taking a guard top 6, but the reason to do it would be having an established stud at RB like Bell. If I could have my way the RB group next year looks like Bell/2nd-3rd round pick/almost literally anyone. Bell gets 250 rushes and 60-80 receptions, high pick gets maybe 200 rushes and receptions, third guy gets the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We want to sign Kirk Cousins so we can hand off into the line 65% of the time next year. Makes sense! We aren’t handing off into the line often if we are picking more Defense in the 1 st and 2nd rounds again ha. Especially if we sign Cousins, less $ to get a nfl rb, and online. We can’t walk away from some of this OL contracts next yr . Maybe by 2020 we can get a decent running game going again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Bill Callahan was "Running Game Coordinator" with the Jets when they were successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 59 minutes ago, Beerfish said: We want to sign Kirk Cousins so we can hand off into the line 65% of the time next year. Makes sense! That doesn't sound like Bates. Read this piece on him being fired by the Seahawks: Bates stubbornly eschewed high-percentage plays in search of explosive plays. There was tons of well-founded criticism that this offense never established an identity. Trent Dilfer was asked on Brock and Salk what the identity of this offense was, and famously answered, “I have no idea.” Looking back, the identity matched Bates’ philosophy. It was inconsistent, but featured some epic heights. That’s not what Carroll is after. He wants to control the clock and protect the ball. It was no accident that he openly admired Atlanta, saying they were the model of what he wanted his team to be. Bates’ scheme bore almost no resemblance to Atlanta. Some of that can be attributed to the same things that effected the players. Namely, an ever-changing offensive line, cast of wide receivers and injuries were obstacles to any real consistency. But even in the games where things went well (@ARZ, @NO, NO), the offense featured lots of big plays, and a lot less ball control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: That doesn't sound like Bates. Read this piece on him being fired by the Seahawks: Bates stubbornly eschewed high-percentage plays in search of explosive plays. There was tons of well-founded criticism that this offense never established an identity. Trent Dilfer was asked on Brock and Salk what the identity of this offense was, and famously answered, “I have no idea.” Looking back, the identity matched Bates’ philosophy. It was inconsistent, but featured some epic heights. That’s not what Carroll is after. He wants to control the clock and protect the ball. It was no accident that he openly admired Atlanta, saying they were the model of what he wanted his team to be. Bates’ scheme bore almost no resemblance to Atlanta. Some of that can be attributed to the same things that effected the players. Namely, an ever-changing offensive line, cast of wide receivers and injuries were obstacles to any real consistency. But even in the games where things went well (@ARZ, @NO, NO), the offense featured lots of big plays, and a lot less ball control. So you do not see the disconnect here? It's reported Bowles wants to run the ball more. The jets were like 18th in the league in % of pass plays. Bowles wants to run more, Morton was fired becasue he didn't run enough or at the right time so we are signing a Qb for huge dollars and promoting a pass oriented OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Beerfish said: So you do not see the disconnect here? It's reported Bowles wants to run the ball more. The jets were like 18th in the league in % of pass plays. Bowles wants to run more, Morton was fired becasue he didn't run enough or at the right time so we are signing a Qb for huge dollars and promoting a pass oriented OC? What is this actually based on? What report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: What is this actually based on? What report? The Jets mowed through another offensive coordinator Wednesday, firing John Morton after just one year on the job. "The decision came after Morton clashed with players, coach Todd Bowles and other assistant coaches, according to a source. His inability to establish the running game, a lack of in-game adjustments and a perception from players that everyone other than wide receiver Robby Anderson was an afterthought in the game plan doomed Morton." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I have to laugh at this article. Kinda like the other 1 from Manish. If Bates has the "best offensive mind in the building" and Cutler said he was a great play caller, then why wasn't he calling plays instead of Morton? such crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The Jets mowed through another offensive coordinator Wednesday, firing John Morton after just one year on the job. "The decision came after Morton clashed with players, coach Todd Bowles and other assistant coaches, according to a source. His inability to establish the running game, a lack of in-game adjustments and a perception from players that everyone other than wide receiver Robby Anderson was an afterthought in the game plan doomed Morton." This is the report that has you completely convinced Todd Bowles has stated he wants to run the ball more? The same article goes on to list two QB coaches and an OC coming off a top 3 or 5 passing offense as the top OC candidates. When Bowles and GM guy fielded a good team in 2015 the offense was basically 60/40 on the pass/run: https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-rushing-play-percentage/2015/ with the real rush% almost exactly on the league average (42.59% to league 42.51). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Mehta is the paid mouthpiece of this current regime so this is the plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The Jets mowed through another offensive coordinator Wednesday, firing John Morton after just one year on the job. "The decision came after Morton clashed with players, coach Todd Bowles and other assistant coaches, according to a source. His inability to establish the running game, a lack of in-game adjustments and a perception from players that everyone other than wide receiver Robby Anderson was an afterthought in the game plan doomed Morton." Bowles knows nothing about offense. Doesn’t much about defense either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Remember when Manish sideswiped the Doug Marrone hire and laid down covering fire for Rex’s final two years where he drove the team into the toilet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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