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How many LARGE holes do we currently have on this team?


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2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

TE - At least one.  Whether we retain ASJ ore go in another direction we need at least one starting TE.

NY Jets 

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Neal Sterling is going to be a superstar the kid can play. 

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9 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

NY Jets 

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Neal Sterling is going to be a superstar the kid can play. 

I agree with you that he can play. Name me one thing ASJ does that this kid can't? That's right, nothing. 

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3 minutes ago, section314 said:

I agree with you that he can play. Name me one thing ASJ does that this kid can't? That's right, nothing. 

Neal Sterling was a beast at Monmouth University. 

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11 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said:

The roster looks very thin when you at it by position. But a good QB will elevate everyone’s level of play. We need Cousins. 

I agree with your premise, a really good Qb can drag a team with holes a long ways.  I'm just not quite sure if cousins is that guy or not.

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6 minutes ago, sirlancemehlot said:

Biggest hole is Robby Anderson.  You decide which kind he is.

DAMN IT. I HATE U. I almost had the joke of the century lined up until you watered it down with your similarity. 

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QB - Moves the margins on everything, how much depends on how good the FA or pick is. If he’s excellent they don’t need to be perfect everywhere, just need a few studs and a bunch of competent enough players. 

OL - Most specifically a starting C but the depth sucks everywhere with none of Qvale, Dozier, or Iljalana looking like an emerging talent. It’s possible better QB play and even an average C goes a long towards fixing the OL in 2018, but they need more depth and competition at G and OT to set up the years after 2018.

RB - For such an easy position to play the Jets’ rush offense has sucked under Bowles consistently in the bottom 10-12 or worse by DVOA. This was true even in 2015 when everything else about the offense was conpetitive. 

CB/pass rusher don’t really care which one 

Everything else can work if those positions can get upgraded. 

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2 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

QB - Moves the margins on everything, how much depends on how good the FA or pick is. If he’s excellent they don’t need to be perfect everywhere, just need a few studs and a bunch of competent enough players. 

OL - Most specifically a starting C but the depth sucks everywhere with none of Qvale, Dozier, or Iljalana looking like an emerging talent. It’s possible better QB play and even an average C goes a long towards fixing the OL in 2018, but they need more depth and competition at G and OT to set up the years after 2018.

RB - For such an easy position to play the Jets’ rush offense has sucked under Bowles consistently in the bottom 10-12 or worse by DVOA. This was true even in 2015 when everything else about the offense was conpetitive. 

CB/pass rusher don’t really care which one 

Everything else can work if those positions can get upgraded. 

Exactly this word for word.

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I would say QB, C, CB, and pass rusher.

I still like our WR corps because we get Enunwa back and lose Anderson, We still need a burner, but you can get that elsewhere. Look at Robby Anderson himself.

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

QB - At least two.  We need a starter (even if the team decides to being back mccown) and for sure a backup, I see no viable backup between petty and Hack.

Oline - Absolute minimum of one, that being Center which was atrocious last year.  I actually think we need two more good pieces this year but an arguemtn could be made that the Guards and Tackles are good enough for another year.

RB -  At least one.  It will be a disaster if the team retains Forte when we are hearing about wanting to run more.

TE - At least one.  Whether we retain ASJ ore go in another direction we need at least one starting TE.

WR - At least one.  The Anderson thing just opened up a hole on the team.  I don't think we had a true #1 guy before but we for sure do not now.

DL - At least one.  Mo wilk is a goner so we need to get at least one staring dlineman, which is a sad indictment of the team after what we have put into the position.

ILB - At least one.  Davis is a FA, we should not over pay or more importantly over term this guy even if he had a good year last year.  In any case with him a FA now there is a big hole

OLB - We have had a hole at pass rushing OLB/De for years and years.  This is a gaping hole.

CB - At least one starting quality CB.  Even if we retain Claiborne we have a huge hole on the other side.

Amazing that we have so many huge holes that have to be filled.  These are must haves, the would like to have list is larger.

I like the topic.  Here is what I thing are burning needs, in other words the minimum we need:

QB - Cousins and later pick -or- McCown and first round pick.  (1 FA / 1 Draft)

O-Line - Center (1 FA)

RB - (1 Draft)

TE - (1 FA) - ASJ or other. We have Sterling, Tomlinson and Legget without ASJ, but one more vet would help and keep best 2-3.

WR - (1 FA) - Landry would be nice. 

DL - (1 FA / 1 Draft) - I think at minimum we need 2.  One edge (Draft) and one to replace Wilk.

ILB - (1 FA) - Davis, or other.  Maybe 2 and move Lee to the outside.

OLB - (1 Draft) - Jenkins is only one we have that can really amount to something. 

CB - (1 FA / 1 Draft) - Claiborne is injury prone if he goes down we need the depth.  Not impressed with anyone we have at CB.

That's 7 Free Agents and 5 draft picks.  We can add depth with later draft picks.

 

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

QB - At least two.  We need a starter (even if the team decides to being back mccown) and for sure a backup, I see no viable backup between petty and Hack.

Oline - Absolute minimum of one, that being Center which was atrocious last year.  I actually think we need two more good pieces this year but an arguemtn could be made that the Guards and Tackles are good enough for another year.

RB -  At least one.  It will be a disaster if the team retains Forte when we are hearing about wanting to run more.

TE - At least one.  Whether we retain ASJ ore go in another direction we need at least one starting TE.

WR - At least one.  The Anderson thing just opened up a hole on the team.  I don't think we had a true #1 guy before but we for sure do not now.

DL - At least one.  Mo wilk is a goner so we need to get at least one staring dlineman, which is a sad indictment of the team after what we have put into the position.

ILB - At least one.  Davis is a FA, we should not over pay or more importantly over term this guy even if he had a good year last year.  In any case with him a FA now there is a big hole

OLB - We have had a hole at pass rushing OLB/De for years and years.  This is a gaping hole.

CB - At least one starting quality CB.  Even if we retain Claiborne we have a huge hole on the other side.

Amazing that we have so many huge holes that have to be filled.  These are must haves, the would like to have list is larger.

This is what a rebuild looks like folks. The cubbard is still bare.

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Winning teams throw to get a lead then rush the passer and pound the rock 

o-line helps 2 out of 3

Outside of QB and pass rusher it has to be the top priority 

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To be a relevant football team, you need:

FQB

LT

Playmaker on Offense

Pass Rusher 

#1 CB

Playmaker on defense

We have none of these.

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11 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

This is what a rebuild looks like folks. The cubbard is still bare.

Lol. Only 3 years of drafts and free agency and hundreds of millions of dollars sunk into this rebuild and they don’t have anything of substance to show for it. This is not what a rebuild looks like. There are many other teams that have done it and done it well. 

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1 hour ago, jgb said:

No excuse to have holes on defenses with what 7 first round defensive picks in a row. But here we are.

Nine.  For real.  Granted a bunch of them suck and aren’t in the league anymore.  But we have spent 9 1st round picks in a row on defense.

2010- Wilson - gone

2011- Wilkerson - soon to be gone

2012-Coples - gone

2013- Milliner and Richardson - both gone

2014- Pryor - gone

2015- Leo

2016- Lee

2017- Adams

Pretty sad to be honest with you.

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12 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

This is what a rebuild looks like folks. The cubbard is still bare.

Our biggest hole is HC. As long as he is here, the rebuild will go on forever. This is what, coming into year 4 now? It is always convenient to blame failure on a rebuild, where in reality, if we had competent management, we would have had some success instead of the same old $hit 2 years running.

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