When hindsight comes around will Cousins’ FA deal...

[TuscanyTile2]

12 hours ago, SenorGato said:

look better or worse than the inevitable Winston and Mariota extensions? Times are a’changin! League salaries are to blow up over the next three years. It’s by design so fear not, our lords the owners will be safe and ready to drop the hammer after 2020.

Winston’s a virtual a lock to become the first NFL player to get $100 million garaunteed when he signs before 2020. Mariota won’t be much cheaper, if at all. 

In that context, what does Cousins at $60 even $90 million look like? 

I'm not so sure about that.  I could see the salary cap going down due to the drop in ratings and attendance.  

[SenorGato]

8 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Only problem with the streaming model is younger people don't want to pay for anything. Heck, not even porn. Tehy work from an assumption they should not pay for anything. Facebook and Google took a very long time to turn a profit, Twitter never has. 

Nobody pays for porn except suckers, that stuff survives because demand is eternal and insatiable. 

If this is true then we’re looking at a bubble bursting eventually, but it’s not in the next three years under a Cousins deal or even likely the next ten or even twenty years. 

[SenorGato]

5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I'm not so sure about that.  I could see the salary cap going down due to the drop in ratings and attendance.  

The salary cap is not going down even if ratings and attendance actually put a dent in revenue, which most likely it doesn’t. 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, SenorGato said:

The salary cap is not going down even if ratings and attendance actually put a dent in revenue, which most likely it doesn’t. 

Why would you say that?  I don't know when the next TV contract comes up but I think a lot will depend on that.  If ratings drop then I could see the NFL making a lot less TV money.  OTOH, I heard companies like Amazon and Yahoo are interested in buying the rights to the NFL and I could see them making a huge offer to win that business.  So maybe in the end you'll be correct.  But it's tough to predict.

[SenorGato]

6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Why would you say that?  I don't know when the next TV contract comes up but I think a lot will depend on that.  If ratings drop then I could see the NFL making a lot less TV money.  OTOH, I heard companies like Amazon and Yahoo are interested in buying the rights to the NFL and I could see them making a huge offer to win that business.  So maybe in the end you'll be correct.  But it's tough to predict.

Well to start I’d say it because the league is making more money than ever rather than less and that’s not on track to stop Anytime soon. 

Honestly it’s not so hard to predict in general. Americans aren’t suddenly over the NFL overnight, we’ve already gone ahead and paid for 20+ of their stadiums for them AND given them tax breaks. At this point it’s publicly sponsored entertainment where all the money goes to the 32 owners before trickling down to the guys we pay to watch. The owners aren’t walking away from that because a handful of players will be making salaries that make some fans (lets face it - mostly older fans) uncomfortable. 

Plus when’s the last time a salary cap in a sport went down? I imagine its more likely they get rid of the cap altogether.

[TuscanyTile2]

18 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Well to start I’d say it because the league is making more money than ever rather than less and that’s not on track to stop Anytime soon. 

Honestly it’s not so hard to predict in general. Americans aren’t suddenly over the NFL overnight, we’ve already gone ahead and paid for 20+ of their stadiums for them AND given them tax breaks. At this point it’s publicly sponsored entertainment where all the money goes to the 32 owners before trickling down to the guys we pay to watch. The owners aren’t walking away from that because a handful of players will be making salaries that make some fans (lets face it - mostly older fans) uncomfortable. 

It's unclear whether millennials are as into sports the same way previous generations were.  They have a lot more options for entertainment these days (rather than the 5 or so TV channels previous generations grew up with).  Also, let's face it - the league stunk this year.  The AFC was a joke and the league in general lacks quality QBs (which are absolutely essential these days given the rules).   The refs and use of replay has been an absolute disaster.  Also there's far less incentive these days to go to games and pay the exorbitant ticket and concession prices and wait on long bathroom lines when you can just watch in the comfort of your own home on a large screen HD TV. 

Also, if things are so great then why are the Chargers and Raiders moving (or will move) to other cities?  A lot of fans seem to be fed up with the kneeling thing as well.  Even fans on this forum have said that the NFL is a watered down product and "not what it used to be".  I know I've said it feels more like arena league football.  This type of stuff doesn't bode well for the sport.  I mean, yes, it still has great ratings compared to a lot of other things but it's trending in the wrong direction.  I do think it can get back on the right track with some changes but I don't think Goodell is the guy to get that done. 

Amazingly, I think the sport that has been doing a lot of things right in recent years is hockey.  I say "amazingly" because hockey has seemingly always shot itself in the foot.  But they've figured out how to get goal scoring up (back from the dark days of the trap) without losing the integrity of the sport.  The 3 on 3 overtime is an absolute homerun.  The outdoor game on New Years is a homerun.  Expansion has worked out great (e.g. Nashville has really taken to hockey and Vegas has a great thing going so far).  Replay hasn't ruined the sport (and they've even taken measures to penalize a team if they lose an offsides challenge on a goal against).   For once, the NFL should analyze what the NHL is doing.

[SenorGato]

 

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It's unclear whether millennials are as into sports the same way previous generations were.

 

Which:

- does not mean the league is losing money now. They stunk their way to $14 billion+ dollarsk last year. That’s enough money for each franchise to field what the 2020 cap is forecasted to be twice over with more than enough room to spare.

- does not mean that any impending doom is coming during the Cousins contract, which is the topic of relevance, or even so soon after it when far larger contracts will be signed by similar talents. 

I mean the whole argument FOR the NFL losing money is based on cable and attendance. Attendance numbers aren’t dramatically down if at all since IIRC they were up this year and their youngest fans don’t watch cable they watch streams, a massive and untapped market for the NFL. 

The NHL is thriving because nobody watches. If their fanbase was NFL big and NFL crazy, many of you would be turned off by what our owners are giving up in salaries over there. What the NFL needs to do is look at what MLB has done with MLB.tv and their web content in general. Also like the MLB, NBA, and NHL they need to embrace analytics because its hit continuously with the younger generations and may even attract new fans. There’s even a bonus for those of us loyal to ownership - analytics inthose sports are now used against the players way more often than for meaning they’re a way to control salaries in the long run! 

[TuscanyTile2]

8 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

**** that IF the 49ers transition tag on Jimmy G I make an offer of 100 million guaranteed, sh*t I’d even go as far as to offer him 5 years 125 million fully guaranteed, now yes it sounds crazy, and stupid, BUT if it doesn’t work out how is it any different then anything the Jets have done the last 50 years at QB.  The 49ers HATE giving more then 2 years guaranteed never mind the full contract they might actually balk at this, and get no compensation, unfortunately you can’t add the poison pill in offer sheets any more, but you can get ridiculous with the offer if nothing else it ****s the 49ers up for a few years, and they would have to let Hyde, and Reid walk maybe, and leave little left to build around Jimmy G, and then the Jets have to go full nuclear offensive draft with first 4 picks AND also sign a weapon and at least 1 OL in FA.

I don't think the 49ers will let any other team have a crack at Jimmy G.  But if they do then I'm 100% on board with what you're proposing.  

[JetFaninMI]

1 hour ago, SenorGato said:

That’s not a skill and no he does not need to be held accountable for the Redskins’ W-L record because that’s not what is being bought. 10-12 years ago people were saying Peyton Manning couldn’t win in the playoffs. It’s nonsense, pass the ball well and consistently in this league and you have a shot to win. All these holes on the roster are dwarfed by the franchise’s consistent inability to pass the ball competitively, none come close to the importance and most are probably fixed by fixing the passing offense anyway. The argument that there’s too many holes to secure a passer like Cousins is almost as bad as the W-L record thing, QB is THE hole with everything else coming after. After that fix the OL, get a running game, a TE that can catch for another safety valve, and a premium pass defender this team gets competitive fast. 

Scot McCloughan on Kirk Cousins: “I don’t see special”

Charean Williams,ProFootball Talk on NBC Sports 19 hours ago

 

Former Washington General Manager Scot McCloughan spent a lot of time around Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Matt Hasselbeck and Alex Smith during stints with the 49ers and Seahawks. McCloughan said he didn’t spend as much time around Kirk Cousins in his two years in Washington.

Still, McCloughan questions whether Cousins is “special.”

“He’s a good player,” McCloughan told Denver radio station 104.3 The Fan, via the Washington Post. “Is he special? I don’t see special. But also, we were still building a roster around him to make him special. Jay Gruden does a great job play-calling. [Former Washington offensive coordinator-turned-Rams coach] Sean McVay did a great job play-calling to put him in positions to be successful. He’s talented. Talent is good at quarterback in the NFL. He’s won games. I know his record overall is not over .500. I know he has not won a playoff game. But he’s competitive. He works his tail off. He’s so methodical. Every day he has planned out. He’s always in the building; he’s always watching tape; he’s always talking to coaches; he was talking to me. From the standpoint of the tangibles, they’re excellent. You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game. You want to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

Cousins’ future remains in doubt, with Washington in a bind. The franchise tag for a third consecutive year is cost prohibitive, so the team likely either keeps him with a long-term deal or he goes elsewhere in free agency.

“The thing about it is, when I was there, we tried to get a long-term deal done and were unable to do it,” McCloughan said. “He’s respected in the building. He’s a really good football player; he’s a leader; he’s a smart guy; he does everything right. But he has all the leverage now. . . . If they tag him for a third time, that’s $34 million for one season. It’s good if you’ve got a guy that you know can win a world championship for you, but it affects the other guys, teammates, because of contracts. You’re investing so much money in one position, you’re going to lose some good players, some good young players, and that, from a GM standpoint, that’s how you have to look at it. You’d love to have him. I’m sure they’d love to have him back for another year. He’s had three solid seasons in a row, but it’s a huge investment, and it’s going to affect the team.”

 

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Former Redskins GM Scot McCloughan doesn't see a 'special player' in Kirk Cousins

 

 

Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins (8) rolls out of the pocket to pass during an NFL football game against the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday, Nov. 30, 2017, in Arlington, Texas. (AP Photo/Roger Steinman)

Kirk Cousins sought the NFL’s most lucrative contract in NFL history last spring. The Washington Redskins countered with hardball tactics by slapping him with a franchise tag for the second consecutive season and implicitly asked him to prove he was worth the investment. After a 7-9 campaign in 2017, the verdict remains nebulous as many soured on his upside and overall worth, despite a statistically appealing season.

On Thursday, Former Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan made a guest appearance on on 104.3 The Fan’s Cecil and Pritchard show in Denver and offered an evaluation of his former quarterback. While he wasn’t completely dismissive of the Redskins’ 29-year-old signal caller, he stopped short of labeling him a a franchise cornerstone.

Via The Washington Post:

“He’s a good player,” McCloughan told Mike Pritchard and Cecil Lammey. “Is he special? I don’t see special. But also, we were still building a roster around him to make him special. Jay Gruden does a great job play-calling. [Former Redskins offensive coordinator-turned-Los Angeles Rams Coach] Sean McVay did a great job play-calling to put him in positions to be successful. He’s talented. Talent is good at quarterback in the NFL. He’s won games. I know his record overall is not over .500. I know he has not won a playoff game. But he’s competitive. He works his tail off. He’s so methodical. Every day he has planned out. He’s always in the building, he’s always watching tape, he’s always talking to coaches, he was talking to me. From the standpoint of the tangibles, they’re excellent. "You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game.You need to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

McCloughan’s comments echoed head coach Jay Gruden’s lukewarm summation of Cousins’ performance this season.

“When you’re 7-9, you know it’s hard to say, ‘Wow, this guy really was outstanding,’” Gruden said. “Kirk had his flashes where he was really good. From a consistent standpoint, over the course of 16 games, you know, we’re 7-9. He did some great things, threw for over 4,000 yards and 29 touchdowns. So I think he’s a very, very good quarterback without a doubt, but as far as getting us over the hump from 7-9 to winning a division with all the injuries that we had, I think he competed and did some good things.”

In fact, McCloughan went further than most by implying the ‘Skins should spend their first-round pick on Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield. He didn’t specifically mention cutting tied with Cousins, but that appears to be the inference. You don’t recommend a team draft a quarterback in the first round only to reward the returning starter with one of the NFL’s richest long-term deals.

“I was lucky enough to have been around Favre, and I’ve gotten to know Baker pretty well just by watching him,” McCloughan said Thursday.

….

“He plays with strength throughout his body, and the fact that he’s just a football player — it’s impressive. It’s a really good class this year coming out in the draft for quarterbacks. But I know this, if I was going to play one game tomorrow, he’d be my guy — hands down.”

McCloughan doesn’t have a say in the Redskins’ offseason machinations anymore, but he’s touching on a sensitive nerve for Redskins fans. The path to contention is often paved by teams who either relied on young, promising skill position players on team-friendly rookie deals and built around them or MVP-caliber quarterback play. The Redskins would be neither if they back the Brink’s truck into Cousins’ yard and after an inconsistent 2017, there is a growing contingency of observers who agree with McCloughan’s stance.
 

 

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Straight from the horses mouth. From a guy who has observed him close up on a day to day basis. Cousins would do well on a team without the holes this one has. Especially now with the Anderson situation. The Jets will need to add 2 WR's just to compensate. The guy even talks up Baker Mayfield. Cousins is not the way to go. Before you state the obvious, the what do you want him to say argument the guy has no reason to downplay Cousins abilities because he is no longer is in the Redskins employ. The draft is the way to go and let Cousins go elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

[SenorGato]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I don't think the 49ers will let any other team have a crack at Jimmy G.  But if they do then I'm 100% on board with what you're proposing.  

I’m not proposing anything! As somone who was just crying poor for the league, what makes Jimmy G and his 7 starts a better buy than Cousins? The mystery? 

[SenorGato]

15 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game. You want to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

Via The Washington Post:

“You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game.You need to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry does anyone who has watched/paid attention the 2017 NFL and playoffs actually see this as some indictment of talent or some unique situation among contenders? 

This GM doesn’t have a GM job because he’s a grown man talking about it winning like it requires magic and pixie dust and like it’s bad to build a complete team.

[SenorGato]

5 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Sorry does anyone who has watched/paid attention the 2017 NFL and playoffs actually see this as some indictment of talent or some unique situation among contenders? 

This GM doesn’t have a GM job because he’s a grown man talking about it winning like it requires magic and pixie dust. 

Jeebus it’s worse...It’s a guy who helped build two of the most loaded SB teams of the decade with two then no name, untested, mid round QBs. 

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

Only problem with the streaming model is younger people don't want to pay for anything. Heck, not even porn. They work from an assumption they should not pay for anything, and even then look for a workaround. Facebook and Google took a very long time to turn a profit, Twitter never has. 

Disagree I think streaming is the way of the future.  Young people more than anything have horrible attention span that’s the real reason sports ratings have taken a hit last couple years these young kids refuse to sit through commercials let alone try to find channels on tv

 

As far as fre stuff goes most young kids aren’t savvy enough to find the bootleg streaming sites and those sites don’t really give a quality feed

 

[Philc1]

18 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

I’m not proposing anything! As somone who was just crying poor for the league, what makes Jimmy G and his 7 starts a better buy than Cousins? The mystery? 

Jimmy G is better than Cousins.  You can lament sample size we already know Sam Darnold is better than Bryce Petty and he hasn’t even played a down yet

[JetFaninMI]

6 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Sorry does anyone who has watched/paid attention the 2017 NFL and playoffs actually see this as some indictment of talent or some unique situation among contenders? 

This GM doesn’t have a GM job because he’s a grown man talking about it winning like it requires magic and pixie dust. 

The Jets don't have the talent on offense to put Cousins in the position to win. Those quotes came from a former GM AND his current coach(which you purposely left out). No one is doubting his talent. He needs talent around him to be successful. The Jets don't have it right now and signing that FA talent or drafting that talent is all well and good but it will take time to develop that talent and for it to jell. They can do the same thing by drafting a QB and saving all that cash to augment the team. You're obviously set on Cousins but its the wrong play at the wrong time.

[TuscanyTile2]

20 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

I’m not proposing anything! As somone who was just crying poor for the league, what makes Jimmy G and his 7 starts a better buy than Cousins? The mystery? 

I was replying to a post by Lupz

[Lupz27]

1 hour ago, SenorGato said:

I’m not proposing anything! As somone who was just crying poor for the league, what makes Jimmy G and his 7 starts a better buy than Cousins? The mystery? 

His first 2 starts don’t mean much as they were with a Patriots team that won the Super Bowl, BUT those last 5 starts in SF taking a team that was what 1-10, and then insert Jimmy G and all of a sudden they are 5-0 with nothing else added to the talent pool, I get being sceptical, but you have to admit that there is something there with him, and it makes him very intriguing, and he is younger.

[SenorGato]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Jimmy G is better than Cousins.  You can lament sample size we already know Sam Darnold is better than Bryce Petty and he hasn’t even played a down yet

BigO! I was wondering when your steaming hot take would come out! Noted! 

1 hour ago, JetFaninMI said:

The Jets don't have the talent on offense to put Cousins in the position to win. Those quotes came from a former GM AND his current coach(which you purposely left out). No one is doubting his talent. He needs talent around him to be successful. The Jets don't have it right now and signing that FA talent or drafting that talent is all well and good but it will take time to develop that talent and for it to jell. They can do the same thing by drafting a QB and saving all that cash to augment the team. You're obviously set on Cousins but its the wrong play at the wrong time.

Everyone does! What the Jets need to be successful is a QB! They’re not in a position to turn down real QB talent just because in your opinion they aren’t ready and will never be ready unless they save money (rather than do something crazy like keep adding talent after Cousins). The rookie QB is going to need talent too, more than Cousins who has experience. EVEN THEN the last time the Jets had a rookie QB they had one of the handful most loaded teams in the league and did nothing anyway. 

[JohnnyLV]

It will look dumber than the Glennon signing. can you stop posting multiple threads a day about signing Cousins?

[JohnnyLV]

4 hours ago, SenorGato said:

That’s not a skill and no he does not need to be held accountable for the Redskins’ W-L record because that’s not what is being bought. 10-12 years ago people were saying Peyton Manning couldn’t win in the playoffs. It’s nonsense, pass the ball well and consistently in this league and you have a shot to win. All these holes on the roster are dwarfed by the franchise’s consistent inability to pass the ball competitively, none come close to the importance and most are probably fixed by fixing the passing offense anyway. The argument that there’s too many holes to secure a passer like Cousins is almost as bad as the W-L record thing, QB is THE hole with everything else coming after. After that fix the OL, get a running game, a TE that can catch for another safety valve, and a premium pass defender this team gets competitive fast. 

Such an amazingly dumb post.

[JetFaninMI]

14 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

BigO! I was wondering when your steaming hot take would come out! Noted! 

Everyone does! What the Jets need to be successful is a QB! They’re not in a position to turn down real QB talent just because in your opinion they aren’t ready and will never be ready unless they save money (rather than do something crazy like keep adding talent after Cousins). The rookie QB is going to need talent too, more than Cousins who has experience. EVEN THEN the last time the Jets had a rookie QB they had one of the handful most loaded teams in the league and did nothing anyway. 

Thats not what I said you Amoretz! I said the Jets do not have the talent at present and when they add that talent it will take time to jell. They can add two front-line players in FA for the price it will take to sign your boy Cousins plus sign or draft others. I'm not a fan of Sanchez  but they did reach two AFC Championship Games with him and that loaded team. I would hardly call that nothing. Face it dude your argument is tired and mostly opinion. I give you facts and back them up and you spout bullsh*t. Cousins is not the answer for this team right now and you have yet to prove otherwise.

[SenorGato]

27 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

His first 2 starts don’t mean much as they were with a Patriots team that won the Super Bowl, BUT those last 5 starts in SF taking a team that was what 1-10, and then insert Jimmy G and all of a sudden they are 5-0 with nothing else added to the talent pool, I get being sceptical, but you have to admit that there is something there with him, and it makes him very intriguing, and he is younger.

I like Jimmy G plenty and if he were set to be available would be adamant the the Jets pony up for he or Cousins. What gets me is the same crowd falling over themselves to hand him $130+ off 7 starts are the same ones knocking Cousins for no playoff experience and being expensive. There’s just no consistency in the thinking. Suddenly the NFL became rich again when Jimmy G came into the convo.

[SenorGato]

5 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Such an amazingly dumb post.

 

18 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

It will look dumber than the Glennon signing. can you stop posting multiple threads a day about signing Cousins?

Who is this idiot? Where do we get these posters from? 

[JohnnyLV]

8 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

 

Who is this idiot? Where do we get these posters from? 

Yeah I wondered where you came from as well, too bad you are too idiotic to even know where you came from.

[SenorGato]

21 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Thats not what I said you Amoretz! I said the Jets do not have the talent at present and when they add that talent it will take time to jell. They can add two front-line players in FA for the price it will take to sign your boy Cousins plus sign or draft others.

Yeah again:

- The Jets are not in a position to turn down plug and play above average to excellent QB play on some subjective nonsense about not being ready. Using that same gymnastics logic they’re not ready for a rookie QB either. 

- The Jets can sign two front-line FAs and Cousins. The money is there. sh*t they can do three

[JetFaninMI]

4 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Yeah again:

- The Jets are not in a position to turn down plug and play above average to excellent QB play on some subjective nonsense about not being ready. Using that same gymnastics logic they’re not ready for a rookie QB either. 

- The Jets can sign two front-line FAs and Cousins. The money is there. 

Yeah again:

You have a comprehension problem. It has nothing to do with not being ready. That is not what I said again. You keep putting words in my mouth. You obviously will not entertain anything other than your bullsh*t take on the subject.

For what its worth the Jets can sign 4 top tier FA's if they pass on Cousins. That's 4 front-line guys at 15 mil per OR 2 front-line guys and Cousins. You need to get over yourself and consider the long term instead of the quick fix which has never worked.

[SenorGato]

4 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Yeah again:

You have a comprehension problem. It has nothing to do with not being ready. That is not what I said again. You keep putting words in my mouth. You obviously will not entertain anything other than your bullsh*t take on the subject.

For what its worth the Jets can sign 4 top tier FA's if they pass on Cousins. That's 4 front-line guys at 15 mil per OR 2 front-line guys and Cousins. You need to get over yourself and consider the long term instead of the quick fix which has never worked.

- Entertaining you doesn’t mean I have to agree with you. You haven’t tried to clarify this readiness argument because it’s indefensible, there’s nothing more important than filling that 

- It’s no two and Cousins and four nameless, faceless players you’re dying to give $15 million dollars a year to. *Even then* with cuts the Jets could have as much as $75 million to spend AFTER signing Cousins. 

[JetFaninMI]

3 hours ago, SenorGato said:

- Entertaining you doesn’t mean I have to agree with you. You haven’t tried to clarify this readiness argument because it’s indefensible, there’s nothing more important than filling that 

- It’s no two and Cousins and four nameless, faceless players you’re dying to give $15 million dollars a year to. *Even then* with cuts the Jets could have as much as $75 million to spend AFTER signing Cousins. 

Still  Amoretz.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

in five years, it will look like $275M that pays for the retractable roof for a westside downtown Manhattan stadium dedicated to the Jets who would probably be the most valuable team in the NFL for that small amount of money to make Silver look good (plus bribe) - seems cheap now and possibly the biggest mistake in franchise history

 

[SenorGato]

8 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Still  Amoretz.

You’re a poopy pants so good luck facing that. 

[JetFaninMI]

2 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

You’re a poopy pants so good luck facing that. 

LOL. Nice comeback.

[SenorGato]

22 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

LOL. Nice comeback.

I also bet you’re a fart sniffer too. 

No really, getting called an ignoramus by someone presenting a team’s W-L record to evaluate an individual player’s entire career on field performance in 2018 is something. I do hate it when I get got.

[Gangrene]

7 hours ago, JetFaninMI said:

Scot McCloughan on Kirk Cousins: “I don’t see special”

Charean Williams,ProFootball Talk on NBC Sports 19 hours ago

 

Former Washington General Manager Scot McCloughan spent a lot of time around Brett Favre, Russell Wilson, Matt Hasselbeck and Alex Smith during stints with the 49ers and Seahawks. McCloughan said he didn’t spend as much time around Kirk Cousins in his two years in Washington.

Still, McCloughan questions whether Cousins is “special.”

“He’s a good player,” McCloughan told Denver radio station 104.3 The Fan, via the Washington Post. “Is he special? I don’t see special. But also, we were still building a roster around him to make him special. Jay Gruden does a great job play-calling. [Former Washington offensive coordinator-turned-Rams coach] Sean McVay did a great job play-calling to put him in positions to be successful. He’s talented. Talent is good at quarterback in the NFL. He’s won games. I know his record overall is not over .500. I know he has not won a playoff game. But he’s competitive. He works his tail off. He’s so methodical. Every day he has planned out. He’s always in the building; he’s always watching tape; he’s always talking to coaches; he was talking to me. From the standpoint of the tangibles, they’re excellent. You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game. You want to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

Cousins’ future remains in doubt, with Washington in a bind. The franchise tag for a third consecutive year is cost prohibitive, so the team likely either keeps him with a long-term deal or he goes elsewhere in free agency.

“The thing about it is, when I was there, we tried to get a long-term deal done and were unable to do it,” McCloughan said. “He’s respected in the building. He’s a really good football player; he’s a leader; he’s a smart guy; he does everything right. But he has all the leverage now. . . . If they tag him for a third time, that’s $34 million for one season. It’s good if you’ve got a guy that you know can win a world championship for you, but it affects the other guys, teammates, because of contracts. You’re investing so much money in one position, you’re going to lose some good players, some good young players, and that, from a GM standpoint, that’s how you have to look at it. You’d love to have him. I’m sure they’d love to have him back for another year. He’s had three solid seasons in a row, but it’s a huge investment, and it’s going to affect the team.”

 

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Former Redskins GM Scot McCloughan doesn't see a 'special player' in Kirk Cousins

 

 

Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins (8) rolls out of the pocket to pass during an NFL football game against the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday, Nov. 30, 2017, in Arlington, Texas. (AP Photo/Roger Steinman)

Kirk Cousins sought the NFL’s most lucrative contract in NFL history last spring. The Washington Redskins countered with hardball tactics by slapping him with a franchise tag for the second consecutive season and implicitly asked him to prove he was worth the investment. After a 7-9 campaign in 2017, the verdict remains nebulous as many soured on his upside and overall worth, despite a statistically appealing season.

On Thursday, Former Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan made a guest appearance on on 104.3 The Fan’s Cecil and Pritchard show in Denver and offered an evaluation of his former quarterback. While he wasn’t completely dismissive of the Redskins’ 29-year-old signal caller, he stopped short of labeling him a a franchise cornerstone.

Via The Washington Post:

“He’s a good player,” McCloughan told Mike Pritchard and Cecil Lammey. “Is he special? I don’t see special. But also, we were still building a roster around him to make him special. Jay Gruden does a great job play-calling. [Former Redskins offensive coordinator-turned-Los Angeles Rams Coach] Sean McVay did a great job play-calling to put him in positions to be successful. He’s talented. Talent is good at quarterback in the NFL. He’s won games. I know his record overall is not over .500. I know he has not won a playoff game. But he’s competitive. He works his tail off. He’s so methodical. Every day he has planned out. He’s always in the building, he’s always watching tape, he’s always talking to coaches, he was talking to me. From the standpoint of the tangibles, they’re excellent. "You just need to have some talent around him because you don’t want him to be throwing the ball 35 to 40 times to win the game.You need to have a running game, have a good defense, good [special] teams, and then let him do what he does.”

McCloughan’s comments echoed head coach Jay Gruden’s lukewarm summation of Cousins’ performance this season.

“When you’re 7-9, you know it’s hard to say, ‘Wow, this guy really was outstanding,’” Gruden said. “Kirk had his flashes where he was really good. From a consistent standpoint, over the course of 16 games, you know, we’re 7-9. He did some great things, threw for over 4,000 yards and 29 touchdowns. So I think he’s a very, very good quarterback without a doubt, but as far as getting us over the hump from 7-9 to winning a division with all the injuries that we had, I think he competed and did some good things.”

In fact, McCloughan went further than most by implying the ‘Skins should spend their first-round pick on Oklahoma’s Baker Mayfield. He didn’t specifically mention cutting tied with Cousins, but that appears to be the inference. You don’t recommend a team draft a quarterback in the first round only to reward the returning starter with one of the NFL’s richest long-term deals.

“I was lucky enough to have been around Favre, and I’ve gotten to know Baker pretty well just by watching him,” McCloughan said Thursday.

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“He plays with strength throughout his body, and the fact that he’s just a football player — it’s impressive. It’s a really good class this year coming out in the draft for quarterbacks. But I know this, if I was going to play one game tomorrow, he’d be my guy — hands down.”

McCloughan doesn’t have a say in the Redskins’ offseason machinations anymore, but he’s touching on a sensitive nerve for Redskins fans. The path to contention is often paved by teams who either relied on young, promising skill position players on team-friendly rookie deals and built around them or MVP-caliber quarterback play. The Redskins would be neither if they back the Brink’s truck into Cousins’ yard and after an inconsistent 2017, there is a growing contingency of observers who agree with McCloughan’s stance.
 

 

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Straight from the horses mouth. From a guy who has observed him close up on a day to day basis. Cousins would do well on a team without the holes this one has. Especially now with the Anderson situation. The Jets will need to add 2 WR's just to compensate. The guy even talks up Baker Mayfield. Cousins is not the way to go. Before you state the obvious, the what do you want him to say argument the guy has no reason to downplay Cousins abilities because he is no longer is in the Redskins employ. The draft is the way to go and let Cousins go elsewhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This deserves it's own thread... McCloughan on Cousins, a ex-GM who might actually have insight on Cousins.

I wonder if the Patriots will combine the 49'ers pick with their own pick to attempt to move up for Mayfield...

[batman10023]

Can they transition tag him instead of franchise?

[JetFaninMI]

4 hours ago, SenorGato said:

I also bet you’re a fart sniffer too. 

No really, getting called an ignoramus by someone presenting a team’s W-L record to evaluate an individual player’s entire career on field performance in 2018 is something. I do hate it when I get got.

See here's why you're not taken seriously. That wasn't the whole case I made but you cherry pick the argument for the points you think you can defend. It's the major flaw in every argument you try to make.