Gas2No99 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Scouting report on Jets offensive coordinator candidate Jeremy Bates The top candidate for the New York Jets' offensive coordinator vacancy is Jeremy Bates, the team's quarterbacks coach, who has had drawn both praise and criticism in his polarizing career. Once regarded as a young star in coaching, Bates flamed out in 2012, took a four-year hiatus (he spent part of it hiking the Rocky Mountains) and resurfaced last season with the Jets. Coach Todd Bowles was impressed with Bates' work and might end up hiring him to replace John Morton, who was fired Wednesday. A scouting report on Bates: Jeremy Bates returned to the NFL last year with the Jets after four years out of coaching. Duane Burleson/AP Offensive system: Those who know him say Bates would probably install a West Coast-style passing game and a running scheme predicated on zone blocking -- similar to Morton's system. "Just turn on the 2008 Mike Shanahan film," said Matt Hasselbeck, one of Bates' former quarterbacks and now a studio analyst for ESPN. "That's his vision for the offense he'd like to run." He was referring to the '08 Denver Broncos, which ranked No. 2 in total offense. Those Denver teams were known for churning out 1,000-yard rushers, which appeals to Bowles, who has said the Jets didn't run the ball enough last season. Distant Cousins: The quarterback-needy Jets are expected to have interest in Kirk Cousins, a potential free agent. He spent his first two seasons (2012 and 2013) playing for Shanahan with the Washington Redskins, so he'd be familiar with a Bates/Shanahan scheme. It's a bit of a stretch, but the Jets might think that could help them in a recruitment of Cousins. Claim to fame: Bates was mentored by two bright offensive minds, Jon Gruden and Shanahan. He also was Jay Cutler's quarterbacks coach in 2008, his only Pro Bowl season. In a recent interview with ESPN.com, Shanahan called Bates a "very bright guy" and a "pretty special" coach. Bates' football intelligence never has been in question; some describe him as an X's and O's savant. Biggest blemish on his résumé: In 2010, Bates followed Pete Carroll from Southern Cal to the Seattle Seahawks, but he lasted only one season as his offensive coordinator. Carroll, not known for having a quick hook, fired Bates with three years left on his contract. With Bates calling the plays, the Seahawks finished 28th in total offense and 31st in rushing. At the time, Carroll said he made the change because of "philosophical issues," saying "we saw things differently." Coaching style: Bates is direct and brutally honest. Some people appreciate his candid approach; others are chafed by it. In Seattle, he was vocal in his support of Hasselbeck, who had an up-and-down year -- perhaps too vocal. Some believed it rubbed people the wrong way and might have contributed to his dismissal. Bates, only 34 at the time, had some maturity issues. That was eight years ago, and the Jets evidently believe he has outgrown them. Play calling: There are many facets to the coordinator job, but the biggest responsibility is calling plays. Hasselbeck said he liked Bates as a playcaller, saying, "He's very fiery. He has kind of a temper. There's an aggressiveness to him during the week, but on game day he's very calm, very poised. It's really remarkable. It's night and day. Usually it's the other way around with coaches. They're laid back during the week, then on Sunday they act like they're hyped up on Red Bull. Jeremy is the opposite." Final verdict: Hasselbeck spoke glowingly of Bates' football acumen and playcalling ability. Asked whether he'd be a good coordinator for the Jets, Hasselbeck said "it depends" on the rest of the offensive staff, meaning he believes coaches need to be compatible. As he said, "You have to put the pieces of the puzzle together." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patriot Killa Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Oh cool .. another “hope he turns out good” move coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 If he's going to install something similar to last year, then i'm all for the hire. I don't want Hack to have to start from scratch three years in a row. Thankfully he still only be 23 when the season begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 It seems pretty obvious they are waiting for Defilipo The NFL mistakenly released a patriots /vikings superbowl promotion, so Defilipo should be available soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: If he's going to install something similar to last year, then i'm all for the hire. I don't want Hack to have to start from scratch three years in a row. Thankfully he still only be 23 when the season begins. Haha seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Larz said: It seems pretty obvious they are waiting for Defilipo The NFL mistakenly released a patriots /vikings superbowl promotion, so Defilipo should be available soon What a joke this league is. Scripted bullsh*t. manufactured entertainment > natural competition I guess. Disgusting how far this league has fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ghost said: Haha seriously? I don’t think so. The sarcasm game has gotten pretty crafty lately after another 5-11 season ?, but there are some dumb fans who definitely believe in hackenberg still lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: What a joke this league is. Scripted bullsh*t. manufactured entertainment > natural competition I guess. Disgusting how far this league has fallen. It will be interesting to see how it goes. They already set the narrative, the 3 amigos might break up the dynasty, stay tuned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: I don’t think so. The sarcasm game has gotten pretty crafty lately after another 5-11 season ?, but there are some dumb fans who definitely believe in hackenberg still lol Hackenberg is like the Babadook. The more you don't believe in him, the more powerful he gets. "Hacken Berg Beeerg Beeeeeeerrrrrrg!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 New York Jets: Offensive coordinator will determine offseason plans John Morton was brought during the 2017 offseason to implement the West Coast Offense, and usher in the new young New York Jets offense. Instead, he set the offensive growth back by running the ball only 42.3 percent of the time in 2017, and it was time to let him go. According to numerous reports, he had rifts with players, and Todd Bowles wasn’t happy with his play calling. According to ESPN’s Rich Cimini, one player voiced his frustrations. He “thinks we’re the New Orleans Saints, playing in a dome,” one player said, alluding to Morton’s previous team. The running game was inconsistent throughout 2017 under Morton, and Bowles wants the team to run more. The Jets dropped back to pass 156 more times than they attempted runs, an average of 9.75 times more per game (eight out of 13 teams that had a smaller gap than the Jets made the Playoffs). The Jets are seeking a new offensive coordinator that meshes with the philosophy that Bowles wants to implement. The person they hire will tell the tale of the offseason plans for the Jets. It’s a very simple puzzle to solve. If the Jets go outside the organization, both Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty are done with the team. Petty is likely done anyway. There’s another option that will tell a lot. The Jets could stay in-house and promote Jeremy Bates, a man who has been a lower level assistant in the NFL since 2002. If they elevate Bates to offensive coordinator, it will show that they still believe in Christian Hackenberg and want to move forward with him. Their biggest move of the offseason is based on who the quarterback is in 2018. This move will set that in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 The concept that a 5-11 team passed the ball too much is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Winning teams have a higher rush percentage because you run the ball when ahead and pass when behind in the 4th and good teams are ahead in the 4th and bad teams like us behind. Holy crap I cannot believe that we extended the complete dullard of a head coach we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Larz said: It seems pretty obvious they are waiting for Defilipo The NFL mistakenly released a patriots /vikings superbowl promotion, so Defilipo should be available soon I was going to post the same exact thing!! It is clear that Bates will be their fall back position; while the procuring of Deflipo builds in some continuity by keeping Bates on the staff if Defilipo is in fact tagged.... Oh.......Ok maybe the NFL is rigged but at least they have nice uniforms!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 At least he got his 4 year vacation out of the way. I’d rather have a OC that’s life is football and will be our next HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Gas2No99 said: New York Jets: Offensive coordinator will determine offseason plans John Morton was brought during the 2017 offseason to implement the West Coast Offense, and usher in the new young New York Jets offense. Instead, he set the offensive growth back by running the ball only 42.3 percent of the time in 2017, and it was time to let him go. According to numerous reports, he had rifts with players, and Todd Bowles wasn’t happy with his play calling. According to ESPN’s Rich Cimini, one player voiced his frustrations. He “thinks we’re the New Orleans Saints, playing in a dome,” one player said, alluding to Morton’s previous team. The running game was inconsistent throughout 2017 under Morton, and Bowles wants the team to run more. The Jets dropped back to pass 156 more times than they attempted runs, an average of 9.75 times more per game (eight out of 13 teams that had a smaller gap than the Jets made the Playoffs). The Jets are seeking a new offensive coordinator that meshes with the philosophy that Bowles wants to implement. The person they hire will tell the tale of the offseason plans for the Jets. It’s a very simple puzzle to solve. If the Jets go outside the organization, both Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty are done with the team. Petty is likely done anyway. There’s another option that will tell a lot. The Jets could stay in-house and promote Jeremy Bates, a man who has been a lower level assistant in the NFL since 2002. If they elevate Bates to offensive coordinator, it will show that they still believe in Christian Hackenberg and want to move forward with him. Their biggest move of the offseason is based on who the quarterback is in 2018. This move will set that in place. Yeah, that red part is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Yeah, that red part is not true. It did seem like an opinionated statement. There is nothing that transpired this season to indicate the Jets' top brass has ANY faith in Hackenberg to be THE guy; resulting in a my eroding faith in the Jets' top brass in knowing what they're are doing to be a winning franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I still believe in the Hack. Give the kid 20 starts before you judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Bowles not happy with the running game, but gives Matt Forte carries. Ok then. Maybe use a pick on a running back Todd instead of a safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: I still believe in the Hack. Give the kid 20 starts before you judge him. I'm with you but it wouldn't stop me from trading up and taking the top college QB should Macc really like someone in this draft. I think it's a travesty Hack couldn't get on the field for a single snap in 2 years, especially considering how much garbage time we had both years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I don't want to run the ball more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Bates is really highly regarded, from what I've read. Morton was a no nwne after thought that everyone mocked because "no one else would take the job". Now Bates is a downground to some. What a difference 12 months can make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 We need some new blood in here to change the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Balance is a myth The good teams pass probably 60/40 to get the lead then run 60/40 to chew the clock If you are trailing every game you are going to have more pass calls that's a bullsh*t excuse he was fired for other reasons, I think primarily to get Defilipo or to use bates to recruit cousins If Bowles really wants a 50/50 balance to start the game he's worse than we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: The concept that a 5-11 team passed the ball too much is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Winning teams have a higher rush percentage because you run the ball when ahead and pass when behind in the 4th and good teams are ahead in the 4th and bad teams like us behind. Holy crap I cannot believe that we extended the complete dullard of a head coach we have. So Bowles thinks by virtue of simply mindlessly handing the ball off more often to a has been, a never was and a middling rookie, and running between the tackles with a garbage offensive line somehow this team would have been better? Did they self scout at all? If you had any notion Bowles understands and appreciates analytics, you can forget all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Mike Vrabel hired by the Titans. This is bg because it takes away a landing spot for DiFillipo as a HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Mike Vrabel hired by the Titans. This is bg because it takes away a landing spot for DiFillipo as a HC The Titans have some Jets in them. Teams with clueless and meddlesome owners tend to be dysfunctional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 9 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: If he's going to install something similar to last year, then i'm all for the hire. I don't want Hack to have to start from scratch three years in a row. Thankfully he still only be 23 when the season begins. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 4 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Mike Vrabel hired by the Titans. This is bg because it takes away a landing spot for DiFillipo as a HC I don’t think they even considered him for HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, joewilly12 said: We need some new blood in here to change the environment. Anyone who walks in the interview and says he will run the ball 90% of the time is hired in the spot ?ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said: Bates is really highly regarded, from what I've read. Morton was a no nwne after thought that everyone mocked because "no one else would take the job". Now Bates is a downground to some. What a difference 12 months can make. Everything I’ve read, I’m starting to think we’d be stupid not to give him a chance if he wants it. I’d be excited to see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 hours ago, pointman said: I don't want to run the ball more. Well we are bringing back the run and here is the man we shall follow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 I've said this before but I actually think the NFL is starting to come back to a more rounded attack. Partly because finding a franchise QB is so hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 19 hours ago, Larz said: It seems pretty obvious they are waiting for Defilipo The NFL mistakenly released a patriots /vikings superbowl promotion, so Defilipo should be available soon Is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Is that true? On face book It's really no biggie I bet they had 4 made and hit the wrong button ? It's out there if you want to find it, vikings board has it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 21 hours ago, Jimmy 2 Times said: If he's going to install something similar to last year, then i'm all for the hire. I don't want Hack to have to start from scratch three years in a row. Thankfully he still only be 23 when the season begins. Exactly. Let Hack continue to learn from the sidelines. Continuity is the key to success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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