rangerous Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 decent article in the ny post about the relationship between coughlin and marrone down at jacksonville. the quotes from the team's owner, khan, "“If you want to climb Mount Everest, you want to find someone who’s done that,’’ Khan said. “We needed a veteran presence, someone who’d been there and done that. Tom Coughlin was the perfect guy. He founded the team and had success here. He went to two Super Bowls and won them. Jaguars blood runs through his veins. He’s committed. He’s passionate." are pretty telling. and even more telling is that the jets could have done the same thing although coughlin became available the year after mac/bowles was hired. nevertheless, they still could've built a similar management structure for the team and it would probably help the team. https://nypost.com/2018/01/20/how-jaguars-captured-magic-with-coughlin-marrone-pairing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Jags resemble the type of Giant teams that beat NE before. This biggest difference would be the QB position but Bortles has done well in the playoffs. His legs have carried drives and he hasn't made many mistakes. If Fournette can move the chains then perhaps we are looking at a huge upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Eh. What other guys like Coughlin were available to do something like that here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Eh. What other guys like Coughlin were available to do something like that here? I think the fundamental problem with the Johnson ownership of the Jets is that they’re so far removed from the Kraft-Jones-Mara-Rooney inner circle of the league that not only couldn’t they lure a decent executive to run the team for them, they wouldn’t know where to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think the fundamental problem with the Johnson ownership of the Jets is that they’re so far removed from the Kraft-Jones-Mara-Rooney inner circle of the league that not only couldn’t they lure a decent executive to run the team for them, they wouldn’t know where to find one. The list has 0 names on it. Really doesn't matter much how nobody feels about woody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 how many Executive of the Year’s has Couglin won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think the fundamental problem with the Johnson ownership of the Jets is that they’re so far removed from the Kraft-Jones-Mara-Rooney inner circle of the league that not only couldn’t they lure a decent executive to run the team for them, they wouldn’t know where to find one. Excellent, excellent point. This is it in a nutshell. As an owner for 18 years, you should have a list of people within the league that you have solid relationships with that could provide you with many great candidates for whatever you may need. I really believe the "power" people in the league view Woody and Co. as comic relief, and nothing close to a competitive threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, section314 said: Excellent, excellent point. This is it in a nutshell. As an owner for 18 years, you should have a list of people within the league that you have solid relationships with that could provide you with many great candidates for whatever you may need. I really believe the "power" people in the league view Woody and Co. as comic relief, and nothing close to a competitive threat. What relationships did Khan have? Jets just have no successful history to fall back on like other teams do. Coughlin had a history with the Jags. That’s why he went back there. Cant exactly bring Namath in. There’s no coaches or execs that got their start here and went on to have success that I can think of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, MDL_JET said: What relationships did Khan have? Jets just have no successful history to fall back on like other teams do. Coughlin had a history with the Jags. That’s why he went back there. Cant exactly bring Namath in. There’s no coaches or execs that got their start here and went on to have success that I can think of? Belichick highly recommended Doug Marrone. Leon Hess, for all his faults, had relationships within the league. The point is, Woody has had to resort to Korn Ferry and a guy like Casserly to find people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, section314 said: Belichick highly recommended Doug Marrone. Leon Hess, for all his faults, had relationships within the league. The point is, Woody has had to resort to Korn Ferry and a guy like Casserly to find people. That's what I want him to do. Which is why I want Macc to succeed so much. IMO Woody did this the right way. He went out and sought advice from people who know football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 31 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think the fundamental problem with the Johnson ownership of the Jets is that they’re so far removed from the Kraft-Jones-Mara-Rooney inner circle of the league that not only couldn’t they lure a decent executive to run the team for them, they wouldn’t know where to find one. "Word is Woody will pay whatever it takes to get a guy to fix the Jets"- that's all it takes. Bowles and Maccagnan make a combined what? Im not even sure Maccagnan has an office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: That's what I want him to do. Which is why I want Macc to succeed so much. IMO Woody did this the right way. He went out and sought advice from people who know football Not really. He hired two guys who’d been out of the league for a combined 20+ years, then he didn’t listen to their recommendation because Manish told him not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, section314 said: Belichick highly recommended Doug Marrone. Leon Hess, for all his faults, had relationships within the league. The point is, Woody has had to resort to Korn Ferry and a guy like Casserly to find people. It’s obvious Woody is the one that’s held this team back for so long. We need to get him to sell!! Need some blackmail to force the sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Not really. He hired two guys who’d been out of the league for a combined 20+ years, then he didn’t listen to their recommendation because Manish told him not to. Well that second part is true. He's still an idiot. But since it's likely he's not going anywhere, I look for any encouragement I can get. What I fear is that if macc fails, he will go back to an Idzik type GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Well that second part is true. He's still an idiot. But since it's likely he's not going anywhere, I look for any encouragement I can get. What I fear is that if macc fails, he will go back to an Idzik type GM What’s amusing is that not even Idzik would take the Jets GM job right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Matt39 said: "Word is Woody will pay whatever it takes to get a guy to fix the Jets"- that's all it takes. Bowles and Maccagnan make a combined what? Im not even sure Maccagnan has an office. Yeah, I don’t think money will fix this. If it did, Jerry Jones would have all the rings. The guys (like Coughlin) don’t work for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 People get annoyed when I blame the fans. The reason I say that is because the fans are the ones that can do something about this. Dont go to games. dont give the Jets your money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 All we need to do now is to list the available super bowl winners with deep ties to the Jets that own a home in the area. We all know that 77 year old guy that left us 17 years ago ain't walking through that door, right? Besides, John idzik built the jags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: People get annoyed when I blame the fans. The reason I say that is because the fans are the ones that can do something about this. Dont go to games. dont give the Jets your money What’s that gonna do? Owner isn’t changing. And that’s the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MDL_JET said: Eh. What other guys like Coughlin were available to do something like that here? If memory serves me correctly, Mike Holmgrem was interested a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, MDL_JET said: What’s that gonna do? Owner isn’t changing. And that’s the problem. Before Robert Kraft got to NE, the Pats were on life support. Same with Jacksonville. Money, or the lack thereof can affect owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: People get annoyed when I blame the fans. The reason I say that is because the fans are the ones that can do something about this. Dont go to games. dont give the Jets your money Why do you hate the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: I think the fundamental problem with the Johnson ownership of the Jets is that they’re so far removed from the Kraft-Jones-Mara-Rooney inner circle of the league that not only couldn’t they lure a decent executive to run the team for them, they wouldn’t know where to find one. Who needs that when you got nepotism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, jetrider said: Why do you hate the Jets? Because they are in my blood. It's like having a kid who keeps screwing up and you can do nothing about it. Except cut them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: People get annoyed when I blame the fans. The reason I say that is because the fans are the ones that can do something about this. Dont go to games. dont give the Jets your money On 1/19/2018 at 4:51 PM, UnitedWhofans said: As the hatred continues on here, I just wonder why you hate the team you supposedly root for and not just give up and root for another team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: And the fact that I can't is why I hate them. But that doesn't mean positives with the team shouldnt be overlooked or ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, jetrider said: Why do you hate the Jets? Damn you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Damn you! In other words, I am able to compartmentalize my hate and not let it affect the reality of the different elements of the organization. Some Jets fans are unable to do that and basically go "Everything is bad. I hate the Jets." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: In other words, I am able to compartmentalize my hate and not let it affect the reality of the different elements of the organization. Some Jets fans are unable to do that and basically go "Everything is bad. I hate the Jets." This is what’s referred to as soft-pedaling hate speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: This is what’s referred to as soft-pedaling hate speech. As with anything, knowledge can help. What makes the secondary form of being a fan great? Where is the joy? What is the benefit of that point of view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: In other words, I am able to compartmentalize my hate and not let it affect the reality of the different elements of the organization. Some Jets fans are unable to do that and basically go "Everything is bad. I hate the Jets." We hate failure and troubleshoot the problem. You love to hate fans. That's why you're here ... for your soapbox needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: People get annoyed when I blame the fans. The reason I say that is because the fans are the ones that can do something about this. Dont go to games. dont give the Jets your money because it is stupid and completely unrealistic. Besides, the vast majority of the team's revenue comes the NFL TV deal and not the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, jetrider said: We hate failure and troubleshoot the problem. You love to hate fans. That's why you're here ... for your soapbox needs. But the failure is not everywhere. It's the concept of holding two seperate beliefs in your mind. The organization is bad but there are good thing in it. And I dont love to hate fans. I like to argue certain things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Not really. He hired two guys who’d been out of the league for a combined 20+ years, then he didn’t listen to their recommendation because Manish told him not to. Re: Mehta influencing Johnson to kick Marrone to the curb we still have no proof... NONE, ZERO, NADA... that this account is the way it actually went down. Yet people are perpetuating the rumor like it is a fact. It's not. You know what? (Not just you dbate, but anyone who is promoting this rumor), prove it or just stop already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, Dcat said: Re: Mehta influencing Johnson to kick Marrone to the curb we still have no proof... NONE, ZERO, NADA... that this account is the way it actually went down. Yet people are perpetuating the rumor like it is a fact. It's not. You know what? (Not just you dbate, but anyone who is promoting this rumor), prove it or just stop already. MIchael Kay has said that Woody went into the interview room with Marrone with a copy of the Daily News. Now that would be pretty damning if accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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