lounap23 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounap23 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Did you even watch ? And give me your breakdown as to why you say NoNoNoNo 21 times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lounap23 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL Spoke to this on the another thread... So I don't want to repeat. But in short. 0 Talent on the OL (for that level) and 0 talent at WR ( on that level) cause him to throw a lot too soon or into the tightest of windows... Form what I have watched from him his accuracy was great at 56% for the situations he was under... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL Favre and Warren Moon both did. That being said, I'd pass on Allen, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I love watching highlight reels. I should post gif's of the SEC's all time most efficient passer making "NFL throws". It will be fun!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 why dont we like him again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I think we're all scarred from Hackenberg. I'll pass on Allen too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, lounap23 said: This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112 All Qbs look awesome on highlight reels, but the plays he was making were ridiculous and his OL looks completely pathetic. Has a Favre feel to him. The guy who did this thinks his rollout ability is key but has anyone noticed that roll outs seem to becoming really ineffective lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said: I think we're all scarred from Hackenberg. I'll pass on Allen too. Just looking at the first 5 clips of that thread makes me think he's gonna make me lose my mind and say "wtf is he doing" just about every game. But sure why not. yolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 i don't know. imo he's not going to be able to avoid the pass rush and shed tacklers as easily in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Are comparisons Big Ben? Because that's what it feels like. Relying on his size and big arm. Also have there been any success stories of these "high upside" QBs that have "huge potential" that actually come in and live up to those expectations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The highlights are absolutely unreal. If he had any semblance of consistency he'd be a lock for #1 though. There's a lot of bad that goes with that good. I did see some recent adjusted accuracy stats, maybe related to a Lamar Jackson thread? But when adjusting for drops, etc Allen doesn't exactly skyrocket up. Seems like he missed plenty of throws. Need to watch some on my own, but that's scary. I do think his Senior Bowl performance will be extremely interesting. t's super fun to dream on, and I love the idea of having a big QB with a cannon for cold weather games, but trying to fix a QB who's wildly inconsistent and mostly tools rarely if ever works. Also it's not like the Jets are exactly going to have their pick of QB's in this draft. To be honest - if they take one in the first round I'm going to simultaneously be excited about it and have a feeling of impending doom regardless of who it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 If Allen is sitting there at 6 and we did not get Cousins, then he has to be the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm one of the very few that's taking a wait and see on Allen. So many ppl have already made up their mind on him, which is bananas imo. He made Wyoming a lot better than they were before he got there. He improved the team. That's more than you could ever say for Hackenberg so I don't fully get those lazy comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namloc Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 He'd get crushed in the NFL if he tried some of those moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, prime21 said: If Allen is sitting there at 6 and we did not get Cousins, then he has to be the pick. Quoting myself..... I'm mistaken. I was thinking of Rosen. SMH. Allen is interesting but I would rather have Mayfield. I think the Giants are the best bet for Allen. He needs time and they want Eli to continue to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Great mobility, size, and arm strength. If he is there is first round draft him. Not sure if I would trade up for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, lounap23 said: This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112 Mark Sanchez had a GREAT highlight film too. Well..now I watched it. Im not that impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Josh Allen is better than any QB on the NY Jets roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 48 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo NoNoNoNoNo You do realize this is a run on sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20andOut Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This morning Boomer predicted on his radio show that once front offices see Allen's size and strength at Combine he will come out as concensus #1 QB going into draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Josh Allen is better than any QB on the NY Jets roster. Not exactly a strong argument you're making there Joey. Take any backup QB in the NFL and you could say the same thing. ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Baker or Jackson....just take one, whoever is the best there. Or move up for all I care. Nobody really knows how any of these 5 or maybe even a kid like Falk will pan out. So I'd add Falk to the list, make that 6 QBs. Take one and build an offense around them that might make it interesting for me to watch games again in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Are comparisons Big Ben? Because that's what it feels like. Relying on his size and big arm. Also have there been any success stories of these "high upside" QBs that have "huge potential" that actually come in and live up to those expectations? Yeah, every comparison I see is Roethlisberger. I'll take it. Is it my first personal choice, no. But like anyone knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 57 minutes ago, lounap23 said: This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has This is a more accurate idea of what you get from Allen against teams that actually have a defense. Every throw against Iowa. I actually thought he was going to be the best QB in the draft. Didn't come out that way. Wouldn't touch him at 6, let alone trading up for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, lounap23 said: This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112 Why is his % rate so dam low ? I can show you great passes mark Sanchez made too, then next throw is a mile away from his intended reciever. Mark Sanchez also had a very low comp % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I watched Allen in 5-6 games this year against teams similar to and better than Wyoming. There is no denying his textbook size & tools. He makes throws that make you drool and he has a frame that projects to be like Newton & Roethlisberger. But for someone who is supposed to be a top QB prospect he never lifted his team against mediocre competition and when he stepped up in class (Iowa & Oregon) he was overwhelmed. He could be successful on the pro level but who was the last QB whose accuracy and completion percentage improved going against the best in the world. I'm totally petrified of him as a prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL You make it so easy....Do you know who this guy is? Year 1987 1988 1989 1990 Career Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, lounap23 said: This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112 he'll be " off the board " by the time we pick.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I sorta wish everyone would stop thinking they know what Allen is based on his completion % for two years. I get the concern as it would be my big, red flag too, but it's a little crazy how us people are already trying to bury him. Maybe he's a less desirable QB for you than others but I mean, to not want him at all on what's already a crap shoot on QBs just seems weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, nycdan said: You make it so easy....Do you know who this guy is? Year 1987 1988 1989 1990 Career Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 Much respect for the research. You provided one example to my question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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