HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, SenorGato said: It’s exasperating, this place’s aversion to any deep analysis that attempts to demystify the game of foozeball. What are you talking about? I just stated Allen would be my personal 6th choice of QB prospect. But The data doesn't prove he's an automatic bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: I think Mayfield is a cool ass last name.. but no one beats my last name. ”Puma” Like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Quote First, .300 is not the be all and end all that it used to be, baseball stats have evolved way way beyond BA as a measure for valuing and paying hitters. @NoBowlesKeeping with a baseball hitter analogy...Lets look at an imcomplete pass as a whiff (swing and miss) for a hitter. In a vacuum is the better hitter more likely to have a high whiff rate or a low whiff rate? Now say those guys were putting up those whiff rates in the minor leagues. Is the guy who posted higher whiff rates in the minors likely to miss less against ML pitchers? No. Same thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: What are you talking about? I just stated Allen would be my personal 6th choice of QB prospect. But The data doesn't prove he's an automatic bust. It doesn’t prove anyone is an autonatic hit either! That’s not the goal! What it IS going to say is that Allen’s a really, really bad bet among bad bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, SenorGato said: It doesn’t prove anyone is an autonatic hit either! That’s not the goal! What it IS going to say is that Allen’s a really, really bad bet among bad bets. Well if the sh*t box team lost two more games we wouldn't have to worry. Taking any qb early is a tough bet. They all have their wrinkles. But Jets need a qb and I'm looking for them to take one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, HessStation said: Well if the sh*t box team lost two more games we wouldn't have to worry. Taking any qb early is a tough bet. They all have their wrinkles. But Jets need a qb and I'm looking for them to take one. All the more reason to take an analytical approach! QB and pass rusher are two positions where the Jets have repeatedly ignored the data. Spend one offseason not doing that with $100+ million to spend and 3 top 50 picks and maybe the losing stops. It’s a sport and a #seriousbisness for Jah’s sake, not some spiritual quest for man to find his destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, SenorGato said: All the more reason to take an analytical approach! QB and pass rusher are two positions where the Jets have repeatedly ignored the data. Spend one offseason not doing that with $100+ million to spend and 3 top 50 picks and maybe the losing stops. It’s a sport for Jah’s sake, not some spiritual quest for man to find his destiny. So You'll be fun when the Jets takeAllen at 6 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, HessStation said: So You'll be fun when the Jets takeAllen at 6 lol I’m always fun THO. If they want to blow 6 on Allen after signing Cousins more power to them but it’ll be pointless on top of dumb. QB resale value only goes so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 What would be interesting to see is a lowlight reel. When he’s missing, how bad and why. Kid’s clearly athletic and has a cannon but that’s really all a highlight reel can tell you. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, SenorGato said: I’m always fun THO. If they want to blow 6 on Allen after signing Cousins more power to them but it’ll be pointless on top of dumb. QB resale value only goes so far! If they signed Cousins and drafted any QB in the first 4 rounds that'd be dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, HessStation said: If they signed Cousins and drafted any QB in the first 4 rounds that'd be dumb. Imagine compounding it by making Josh Allen that QB at 6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: I agree, he screwed up at “ever”. But to the OP’s point.. Allen reminds me of Hackenberg physically and stats wise so much though that it scares me. Idk why he is still in discussion for top pick. I don’t. I’ll take your word for it. Only saw half of 1 game with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Obrien2Toon said: How can you judge anything on completion % in today’s college half of the teams run bubble screens 15 times a game Then there should be no excuse to not complete at least 60% Remember the footage of Hack missing on a screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, HessStation said: If they signed Cousins and drafted any QB in the first 4 rounds that'd be dumb. Disagree. We effectively have no QBs on the roster right now. Even if we sign Cousins (which I think is a good option), we should draft one that we think can become a good enough backup and maybe have a shot to be more. That feels like a round 3 or 4 pick to me. The good thing is, there are a lot of QBs in this draft that might be worthy of that sort of pick. Somewhere between Falk, Stidham, Ferguson, Rudolph, White, and maybe a few others, there will be guys available at the top of rounds 3 and 4 who are worth the risk. It's not just about Brady, but guys like Romo, Warner and many others who exceeded expectations and became very good or even great QBs. Gotta keep taking smart shots at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 5 hours ago, nycdan said: You make it so easy....Do you know who this guy is? Year 1987 1988 1989 1990 Career Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 You are talking about the 1980’s for crying out loud. Both College and Pro football was a different game back then. The Jets need someone to step in and play well THIS season. Not in three years when Allen is either ready to play or has been cut. Teams like NE, NO, LAC can take a chance like this. If the Jets draft Allen at 6, Macc is finished. And because of this terrible pick, it probably gives Bowles an additional two years to not make the playoffs before he gets fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 hours ago, lounap23 said: Hack played with very talented WR's and OL... Allen did not.. Not even close. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. The lengths people will go to convince themselves that Allen isn't Hack 2.0 is astounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, nycdan said: Disagree. We effectively have no QBs on the roster right now. Even if we sign Cousins (which I think is a good option), we should draft one that we think can become a good enough backup and maybe have a shot to be more. That feels like a round 3 or 4 pick to me. The good thing is, there are a lot of QBs in this draft that might be worthy of that sort of pick. Somewhere between Falk, Stidham, Ferguson, Rudolph, White, and maybe a few others, there will be guys available at the top of rounds 3 and 4 who are worth the risk. It's not just about Brady, but guys like Romo, Warner and many others who exceeded expectations and became very good or even great QBs. Gotta keep taking smart shots at it. Exaaaaactly and don’t forget Kyle Lauletta until the end of the week maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, JiF said: Then there should be no excuse to not complete at least 60% Remember the footage of Hack missing on a screen? "HaCkEnBeRg AnD aLlEn ArEn'T cLoSe To BeInG tHe SaMe!!!1!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, JiF said: 59.9. I gave it to him. Our count is up to 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Matty Ice" also threw a ton of picks his senior year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: Then there should be no excuse to not complete at least 60% Remember the footage of Hack missing on a screen? I don't particularly like Allen, but Hack is on another level being inaccurate. Allen rarely threw bubble screens in his offense. Hack is literally inaccurate to all levels of the field. I still can't believe we picked his sorry ass in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maury77 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 55 minutes ago, Mogglez said: "HaCkEnBeRg AnD aLlEn ArEn'T cLoSe To BeInG tHe SaMe!!!1!" In Allen's defense, he is either running or pressured on all those throws. Hack blows a bubble screen with no pressure. Again, I'm not saying Allen is particularly accurate, but Hack is on another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, HessStation said: Ok then, Allen or Minka or whatever Fitzpatrick? Are those our only two choices at 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: @NoBowlesKeeping with a baseball hitter analogy...Lets look at an imcomplete pass as a whiff (swing and miss) for a hitter. In a vacuum is the better hitter more likely to have a high whiff rate or a low whiff rate? Now say those guys were putting up those whiff rates in the minor leagues. Is the guy who posted higher whiff rates in the minors likely to miss less against ML pitchers? No. Same thing! In your analogy, there are two variables for the most part, the hitter and the pitcher. Maybe you can argue the catcher/coach calling the pitch. In football, there are many, many more variables than just the QB at play. Its not an apples to apples comparison. Hell, its not even a food to food comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, NoBowles said: In your analogy, there are two variables for the most part, the hitter and the pitcher. Maybe you can argue the catcher/coach calling the pitch. In football, there are many, many more variables than just the QB at play. Its not an apples to apples comparison. Hell, its not even a food to food comparison. Yea, QBs play defenses typically. Man I cannot buy a straight forward answer here. Forget I tried! A foozeball career is a journey to destiny, preordained by Jah. Who are we mortals to defy these ancient beings and their wants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 8 hours ago, lounap23 said: This thread on Josh Allen will show you the throws he can make. And the accuracy in which he makes them. As well as his athletic ability and arm strength... It's a small snippet but it's not hard to see the immense talent the kid has https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/951508779954266112 He sure dominated Boise State and Central Michigan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 56 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Are those our only two choices at 6? Fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: Yea, QBs play defenses typically. Man I cannot buy a straight forward answer here. Forget I tried! A foozeball career is a journey to destiny, preordained by Jah. Who are we mortals to defy these ancient beings and their wants! So its either QB's play defense, or a foozeball career is a journey to destiny, preordained by Jah? Amireadingyourighthere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 10 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/joe-montana-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 If we're going to throw our 1st away on a QB who has inconsistent accuracy, but all the physical tools, I'll take Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen every day of the week, every week of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 10 hours ago, lounap23 said: And let me say this clearly. I am not here advocating for Allen to be our guy.... I am saying every ones assumption of him based on his comp % has no clue what they are talking about cause they have never watched him play. This isn't NY Jets fan club on Facebook. Lots of people here watched him play college ball. Like, Live games. This are informed people give you informed opinions. Instead of dissmissing, absorb this wisdom. There's legit concern he might suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 12 hours ago, MDL_JET said: Are comparisons Big Ben? Because that's what it feels like. Relying on his size and big arm. Also have there been any success stories of these "high upside" QBs that have "huge potential" that actually come in and live up to those expectations? Good question why should we invest in "potential" if the guy hasn't even figured out the college game? I prefer a guy who dominates in college at least he's shown the mental ability to process football on that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL No QB who has ever completed under 60 % of his throws in college has ever had success in the NFL Brett Favre says Hellllloooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5 hours ago, Paradis said: If we're going to throw our 1st away on a QB who has inconsistent accuracy, but all the physical tools, I'll take Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen every day of the week, every week of the year. I 100% agree, BUT I’m done analyzing man, it’s exhausting. Just come away with one of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, or Jackson seriously, we all have our preferences, but at the end of the day all 4 will go top 10 most likely just get one, at least we can say they ******* tried, I mean hate all you want on Sanchez looking back I’m happy they at least had th balls to give the let’s try and get a franchise QB in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I 100% agree, BUT I’m done analyzing man, it’s exhausting. Just come away with one of Rosen, Darnold, Allen, or Jackson seriously, we all have our preferences, but at the end of the day all 4 will go top 10 most likely just get one, at least we can say they ******* tried, I mean hate all you want on Sanchez looking back I’m happy they at least had th balls to give the let’s try and get a franchise QB in here.I think Mayfield will go before Jackson - I would prefer Baker. But I hear ya. We need a QB. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 hour ago, FidelioJet said: I think Mayfield will go before Jackson - I would prefer Baker. But I hear ya. We need a QB. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Baker all day, only other hope if some stupid GM gets all hung up on Allen's physicals. Then Rosen drops, we should be 100% all in to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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