The time is right for a turnaround

[Jetster]

What can we surmise by reviewing the 2017 season in the AFC?

The top dog remains the Patriots with the help of hierarchy of the NFL in conjunction with the referees. The Patriots sell, they're the snidely whiplash of the NFL, abhorred by all but ignored by no one. Why wouldn't you want the GOAT Tom Brady & his pretty face, Bill Belichick & his ugly mug, pissing off NFL fans everywhere. The Pats are like a car wreck, you can't turn away. Everyone & his brother are waiting for this teams demise, that alone makes for must see TV. No one outside of New England other than transplanted Pats fans likes this team, in fact most hate them so much many could care less about the Super Bowl.

But facts are facts, and without the help of the refs this year, the Pats wouldn't of even had home field advantage, probably lose to the Jags, and talk of their demise would have come much sooner. The end is near for Brady, he's had multiple injuries, Achilles issues that don't get better with age & even with all his herbal supplements we all know time waits for no man. He'll be 41 next year, they are losing their OC, DC, and who knows if they win another Super Bowl if Dante Scarnechia calls it quits again? Last time he did, Guges who was with the Jets single handedly ruined their Oline. 

It wont take much to compete in the AFC next year. I mean seriously, the Tennessee Titans beat the Jaguars TWICE in 2017, in the beginning of the year & at the end of the year 15-10. Some jaugernaught those Jaguars were. The Steelers defense is HORRENDOUS! Hell, they were lucky to not lose 2 games to the Browns. Plus they'll tag Bell, paying a RB 15 million won't help the defense. Look at the Broncos, the Jets were the only thing standing in their way from losing 9 games IN A ROW! Sorry, I don't care whose playing QB, teams losing 8 in a row are not on the RISE, instead they look like a team whose window is closing fast. KC is probably turning to the rookie Mahomes, always a complete mystery how that turns out. KC is another team with an aging defense & a complete head case at CB in Peterson.

The NY Jets have the ammunition to put a competitive team on the field next year. And I don't mean just compete, but compete for a playoff spot, and to maybe advance all the way. The AFC isnt even close to the NFC in complete teams. QB, CB, pass rushers, center, stud RB, all of these things are doable this off season. My thoughts are that the Skins have had it with dealing with Kirk & will move on. But not without getting something in compensation. I think they tag Kirk with the transition tag & send him to NY Jets for our 2nd round pick acquired from Seattle. They'll ask for our 1st second rounder but will get the Seattle pick. QB problem solved. Next, Macc focuses on protecting him & without a stud LT in free agency, goes about keeping Beachum one more year & sees Nelson drop to them at 6. Like the 2 previous drafts, Macc can't help himself. Nelson has been likened to a John Hannah type, can't miss badazz. 

With Nelson in the fold & already signing Jensen the center in free agency, Macc has rebuilt the interior of the Jet line with rough & tumble smash mouths, Nelson-Jensen- and a healthy Winters. Shell is ready to make that transition now with experience to man the RT position. At 2nd & 3rd Macc will have his eye out for a future LT, but will pass & ride Beachum if no one tickles his fancy there. It doesn't seem sexy but rebuilding the trenches is a necessity this year. With a revamped line & Cousins in the fold, Macc goes RB with our 2nd rounder, Michel, Jones, Guice, whichever one falls to us. This draft is loaded with RBs but you guys ALL KNOW Bowles is NOT a sling it around coach. Building the offense & the running game will protect Cousins & allow him to do what he does best & that's play action. Kirk is very adept ball fakes ect. 

I think with Enunwa coming back & drafting Stewart and Hanson last year, Jets resign ASJ and go after a TE like Trey Burton from the Eagles. Kirk loves the TE & and having ASJ, Burton, Sterling + Enunwa as a hybrid who's a great blocker adds punch to the running game the Jets will want to establish. Anyone who thinks Bowles will do a 180 & go away from what he knows and preaches is crazy. 

All of the rest of that FA money after Cousins/Jensen/Burton will go to fixing holes in this defense. I think they'll try to resign Claiborne but wont break the bank due to injuries & they'll focus on a FA corner, whether that's Johnson, Fuller, or Gaines. 

Theyll also resign DD, and I see the 3rd round where they go best pass rusher, OLB, if someone they like falls into that slot. Even with a Cousins/Jensen/Burton/CB free agency, resigning some of their own (ASJ, Clairborne, Davis), they'll still be money to get some vets cheap after the 1st waive of free agency to fill some holes & depth in the roster. We did it in 2009, 2010, 2015 and this time we can do it without OLD players and hopefully without the head cases we brought here in the past (Edwards, Holmes, ect.). I do believe Macc has a plan, and it will first involve only players with some longevity.

I'll take Kirk Cousins for 7 years and a revamped Oline in this window of opportunity in this weak AFC as it's constituted right now. Kirk Cousins is NOT Neil O'Donnell. That narrative is bulls*it! We could have a really fun 7 year run if Macc can make the right moves. The Jaguars SUCKED in 2015 & 2016, and lost twice to Tennessee in 2017. This conference is ANYBODIES conference going into 2018. 

[HessStation]

You hope Cleveland really falls in love with Allen, Giants take Darnold, and either the Jets move up to 3 or something like Colts take Barkley and Jets move up to 4....or Rosen somehow lands at 6. 

This is what I'm holding onto in terms of hope  for the future. 

Spend cap on rebuilding the OL, resign Claiborne and keep him on the left side, hope some meh picks thus far start to develop...and then, ok, I'm interested again, maybe, but really hate the NFL, but whatever I guess I won't lie, if the Jets actually didn't suck I'd unfortunately get excited again probably. 

[prime21]

We have good picks for the 1st 3 rounds and great cap room to acquire FA's.  We also have some very good young players to build around.  Mac, who really does not have much love around here, is definitely going to be talked about for many many years to come as he is in the perfect position to finally get us to be relevant or he will destroy us for the many more years.

[peebag]

5 minutes ago, prime21 said:

We have good picks for the 1st 3 rounds and great cap room to acquire FA's.  We also have some very good young players to build around.  Mac, who really does not have much love around here. is definitely going to be talked about for man many years to come as he is in the perfect position to finally get us to be relevant or he will destroy us for the many more years.

You're assuming Mac and Bowles will do a good job.  I just don't see it.

[Warfish]

Hope springs eternal, eh?

[prime21]

1 minute ago, peebag said:

You're assuming Mac and Bowles will do a good job.  I just don't see it.

Oh nooo, I don't assume that.  It's almost frightening to think how they can screw this up.  

[SenorGato]

Tl;dr BUT agree that the pig is ripe for slaughter. Land Cousins, rebuild the OL, land a couple RB talents, get a god damned pass catching TE (Trey Burton!), and Los Yets are in the game. 

OTOH this is the Jets so move one will be to resign ASJ, keep everyone, sign a C, and hope one of the three draft QBs comes to them. 

[Jetster]

5 minutes ago, HessStation said:

You hope Cleveland really falls in love with Allen, Giants take Darnold, and either the Jets move up to 3 or something like Colts take Barkley and Jets move up to 4....or Rosen somehow lands at 6. 

This is what I'm holding onto in terms of hope  for the future. 

Spend cap on rebuilding the OL, resign Claiborne and keep him on the left side, hope some meh picks thus far start to develop...and then, ok, I'm interested again, maybe, but really hate the NFL, but whatever I guess I won't lie, if the Jets actually didn't suck I'd unfortunately get excited again probably. 

Look at the top teams in the conference. Brady will be 41, Big Bens old & his defense is terrible, the Jags will be tough but they're no juggernaught, Denvers window closed, KC? Aging defense, Bengals? Window closed, Raiders? High Cap, zero depth, Houston? Injuries are killing them, Miami & the Bills are just floundering, I mean compared to the NFC the AFC is not good. We need strength right up the middle & I think we're starting to build that with Leo, DD, Lee, Jenkins, Adams, Maye. Build the Oline Nelson-Jensen-Winters, the one thing we'd be missing is pass rushers. Hard to find, maybe get lucky on an OLB flyer in the 3rd. Of course Macc might flip that script, find a pass rusher @ 2 and go RB top of the 3rd. 3rd round is tremendous value when you pick the right RB. Last year it was Hunt & Kamara.

[Beerfish]

I think Cousins is a total pipe dream for this team and there is a VERY low chance we get him.

I am in favor of building the oline, I've even said if the right guys are not there at 6 I would not be opposed to using 2 of our first 3 picks on oline.

I think Nelson is a good to great prospect.

I would HATE it if we chose a frigging guard at #6, just utterly hate it.  People are talking about him as if he is a 100% sure thing and the same thing was said about Warmack and the Washington guy. 

Pick a LT at 6?  Fine but piking a guard after our past history would be full idiocy.

[T0mShane]

The premise here is that everyone currently involved with the Jets decision-making apparatus is going to all of a sudden act in a different manner than they’ve acted for three years. 

[T0mShane]

My Friends This Is All Pauly Shore Needs To Do To Win An Oscar 

[Jetster]

2 minutes ago, prime21 said:

Oh nooo, I don't assume that.  It's almost frightening to think how they can screw this up.  

There is no way on gods green earth that Macc doesn't realize his career is on the line now. This is the 2nd time he's been in great cap position. But this time he's got SOME up & coming young players on this team, where in 2015 he had NOBODY! 

Ok, Enunwa. I know fans don't like Darron Lee but he's has played better, he's no Vernon Gholston, Milliner, Pryor, or Coples, hell hes already contributed more than all of those busts combined. Leo, Lee, Jenkins, Davis, Maye, Adams, Shell, ASJ, Clairborne, Winters,McGuire, Sterling?, Hanson?, Stewart?, Brooks?, Donahue?, Jones?, Clark? At least there are PLAYERS. The cupboard was BARRON the 1st go around, especially in the secondary. Hitting on both Adams & Maye was huge. He had to start somewhere. 

 

[Beerfish]

20 minutes ago, Jetster said:

There is no way on gods green earth that Macc doesn't realize his career is on the line now. This is the 2nd time he's been in great cap position. But this time he's got SOME up & coming young players on this team, where in 2015 he had NOBODY! 

Ok, Enunwa. I know fans don't like Darron Lee but he's has played better, he's no Vernon Gholston, Milliner, Pryor, or Coples, hell hes already contributed more than all of those busts combined. Leo, Lee, Jenkins, Davis, Maye, Adams, Shell, ASJ, Clairborne, Winters,McGuire, Sterling?, Hanson?, Stewart?, Brooks?, Donahue?, Jones?, Clark? At least there are PLAYERS. The cupboard was BARRON the 1st go around, especially in the secondary. Hitting on both Adams & Maye was huge. He had to start somewhere. 

 

In three full drafts the New York jets have truly solidified two positions.  Punter and Safety.

[MDL_JET]

1 hour ago, HessStation said:

You hope Cleveland really falls in love with Allen, Giants take Darnold, and either the Jets move up to 3 or something like Colts take Barkley and Jets move up to 4....or Rosen somehow lands at 6. 

This is what I'm holding onto in terms of hope  for the future. 

Spend cap on rebuilding the OL, resign Claiborne and keep him on the left side, hope some meh picks thus far start to develop...and then, ok, I'm interested again, maybe, but really hate the NFL, but whatever I guess I won't lie, if the Jets actually didn't suck I'd unfortunately get excited again probably. 

I wonder if Colts would be tempted to take Rosen in that situation. By the time the draft rolls around, are they really gonna know if Luck is 100% a go? I doubt it. 

 

 

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, HessStation said:

You hope Cleveland really falls in love with Allen, Giants take Darnold, and either the Jets move up to 3 or something like Colts take Barkley and Jets move up to 4....or Rosen somehow lands at 6. 

This is what I'm holding onto in terms of hope  for the future. 

Spend cap on rebuilding the OL, resign Claiborne and keep him on the left side, hope some meh picks thus far start to develop...and then, ok, I'm interested again, maybe, but really hate the NFL, but whatever I guess I won't lie, if the Jets actually didn't suck I'd unfortunately get excited again probably. 

 

I see this being a strong possibility. They can most likely get the player they want at 4 still at 6. Or get next chioce while picking up a 2nd rounder. Especially since they picked their qb already. They are very liekly going to trade down that pick with somebody if not us.

[HessStation]

14 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

I wonder if Colts would be tempted to take Rosen in that situation. By the time the draft rolls around, are they really gonna know if Luck is 100% a go? I doubt it. 

 

 

Good point. Then imagine Denver takes Mayfield and all that's left is Jackson.

 

id personally then take Jackson.

[HessStation]

9 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

 

I see this being a strong possibility. They can most likely get the player they want at 4 still at 6. Or get next chioce while picking up a 2nd rounder. Especially since they picked their qb already. They are very liekly going to trade down that pick with somebody if not us.

Yep especially if Barkley is gone. Moving back to 6 knowing Jets would be taking a qb anyway is really like one spot to them. With  Just Denver in the way of top OL, CB or pass rusher of their choice pending Denver pick 

[Beerfish]

I keep seeing Saquon Barkley being spec'd in the top 5.  I just don't see why you would pick this player that early.  The draft is loaded with fine backs.  If Barkley had actually remotely lived up to his hype this year i could see it.  He was literally nothing special outside of about 4 or 5 games.  There are a lot of backs who were consistently good this year.   I'll be happy as a pig in you know what if someone in the top 5 takes him and I'll be aghast if the Jets take him.

[Charlie Brown]

55 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I keep seeing Saquon Barkley being spec'd in the top 5.  I just don't see why you would pick this player that early.  The draft is loaded with fine backs.  If Barkley had actually remotely lived up to his hype this year i could see it.  He was literally nothing special outside of about 4 or 5 games.  There are a lot of backs who were consistently good this year.   I'll be happy as a pig in you know what if someone in the top 5 takes him and I'll be aghast if the Jets take him.

Have you watched Barkley play?

If you have, then you understand why.....

 

 

[Beerfish]

Just now, Charlie Brown said:

Have you watched Barkley play?

If you have, then you understand why.....

Yes i have an Daniel Jeremiah has him as his #1 player in the whole draft.  However:

88, 47, 56, 75, 44, 63, 35, 77

that is his yardage in 8 of his games last year.  Sure he had 172 vs akron, 211 vs iowa, just over a hundred vs michigan and a 158 and 137 yard game.

For every eye popping game he had last year almost had two pedestrian games.

[Jack Straw]

2 hours ago, Jetster said:

Look at the top teams in the conference. Brady will be 41, Big Bens old & his defense is terrible, the Jags will be tough but they're no juggernaught, Denvers window closed, KC? Aging defense, Bengals? Window closed, Raiders? High Cap, zero depth, Houston? Injuries are killing them, Miami & the Bills are just floundering, I mean compared to the NFC the AFC is not good. We need strength right up the middle & I think we're starting to build that with Leo, DD, Lee, Jenkins, Adams, Maye. Build the Oline Nelson-Jensen-Winters, the one thing we'd be missing is pass rushers. Hard to find, maybe get lucky on an OLB flyer in the 3rd. Of course Macc might flip that script, find a pass rusher @ 2 and go RB top of the 3rd. 3rd round is tremendous value when you pick the right RB. Last year it was Hunt & Kamara.

Yes, the rest of the conference is shaking in their boots looking at the Jets roster and their yet-to-be-named starting QB, RB, WR, TE, C, OLB, and CB.

[Charlie Brown]

10 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Yes i have an Daniel Jeremiah has him as his #1 player in the whole draft.  However:

88, 47, 56, 75, 44, 63, 35, 77

that is his yardage in 8 of his games last year.  Sure he had 172 vs akron, 211 vs iowa, just over a hundred vs michigan and a 158 and 137 yard game.

For every eye popping game he had last year almost had two pedestrian games.

Ok if you look at the comments to the video I provided you will see the vast majority of Giants fans want him and not a QB, whihc I think is telling.... and I also think you underestimate the fact that he is not only a great RB but that he has tremendous hands like a WR and can run kick offs as well if need be....

He is my pick if he is available and we have gotten a QB in free agency...

[Bleedin Green]

16 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Yes i have an Daniel Jeremiah has him as his #1 player in the whole draft.  However:

88, 47, 56, 75, 44, 63, 35, 77

that is his yardage in 8 of his games last year.  Sure he had 172 vs akron, 211 vs iowa, just over a hundred vs michigan and a 158 and 137 yard game.

For every eye popping game he had last year almost had two pedestrian games.

Yeah, I really don't get it at all.  While there's obviously plenty of regular talk around here regarding the questionable value of a safety with a top pick, from my perspective, there is no position (short of special teams) that is less worth that investment than RB.  Regardless of how great you think the player may be destined to be, it doesn't really make much sense to me, short of being a win-now team that is really looking for nothing more than a playmaker in the running game.  Otherwise, it's a relatively low cost position with perhaps the shortest shelf-life in the league.  The inconsistency you speak of makes that even more questionable to look for so high in the draft.  If he were to fall to the Jets, I would be more ok with another defensive pick (ugh) than taking him.

[Jetsplayer21]

If Mac asks the Johnsons to spend, Jets will have to go 8-8 at least for Bowles and Mac to keep their jobs. 

[Beerfish]

8 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, I really don't get it at all.  While there's obviously plenty of regular talk around here regarding the questionable value of a safety with a top pick, from my perspective, there is no position (short of special teams) that is less worth that investment than RB.  Regardless of how great you think the player may be destined to be, it doesn't really make much sense to me, short of being a win-now team that is really looking for nothing more than a playmaker in the running game.  Otherwise, it's a relatively low cost position with perhaps the shortest shelf-life in the league.  The inconsistency you speak of makes that even more questionable to look for so high in the draft.  If he were to fall to the Jets, I would be more ok with another defensive pick (ugh) than taking him.

I think he is a very good prospect and probably the top back but there are just a ton of good backs in this draft.  We will get a really top notch guy with one of our 2nd rounders if we choose.  I just do not see him that much better as in using a top 6 pick vs in the 30-50 range.

[Jetster]

21 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I think he is a very good prospect and probably the top back but there are just a ton of good backs in this draft.  We will get a really top notch guy with one of our 2nd rounders if we choose.  I just do not see him that much better as in using a top 6 pick vs in the 30-50 range.

Agree. How much better is Barkley than Jones, Michel, Guice & at 6? Top of the draft should be stud QB, CB, pass rusher, or I know it galls people but Nelson is a 12 year stud Olineman. 

We'll see. 

[dbatesman]

3 hours ago, Jetster said:

There is no way on gods green earth that Macc doesn't realize his career is on the line now.

People keep saying this like it's a good thing. Why is a desperate stupid person preferable to a relaxed stupid person?

[faba]

Build that offensive line up otherwise whoever is QB or running back is not going to matter that much

[Bleedin Green]

1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

People keep saying this like it's a good thing. Why is a desperate stupid person preferable to a relaxed stupid person?

He'll rely less on stupid thinking and more on stupid impulses?

[HessStation]

3 hours ago, Jetster said:

There is no way on gods green earth that Macc doesn't realize his career is on the line now. This is the 2nd time he's been in great cap position. But this time he's got SOME up & coming young players on this team, where in 2015 he had NOBODY! 

Ok, Enunwa. I know fans don't like Darron Lee but he's has played better, he's no Vernon Gholston, Milliner, Pryor, or Coples, hell hes already contributed more than all of those busts combined. Leo, Lee, Jenkins, Davis, Maye, Adams, Shell, ASJ, Clairborne, Winters,McGuire, Sterling?, Hanson?, Stewart?, Brooks?, Donahue?, Jones?, Clark? At least there are PLAYERS. The cupboard was BARRON the 1st go around, especially in the secondary. Hitting on both Adams & Maye was huge. He had to start somewhere. 

 

Sorry but the Jets had people on their roster in 2015 too. That's about all I see above. Although I like Maye the pick is still questionable given his below average year, albeit his rookie year. Also half those guys are FAs.

[j4jets]

Pig has always been ripe. 

[Jetster]

18 hours ago, HessStation said:

Sorry but the Jets had people on their roster in 2015 too. That's about all I see above. Although I like Maye the pick is still questionable given his below average year, albeit his rookie year. Also half those guys are FAs.

Adams & Maye had great years as rookies based on the Jets being bottom 3 in sacks! Clairborne played OK but he's better suited as a #2 CB. The #2 last year was a sh*tshow with them trying Skrine, Burris ect. I mean the Pats have Butler & Gilmore for gods sake.

Jets should resign Clairborne hopefully to a middling contract due to his past injuries. Sign Johnson/Fuller/Gaines, one of them to play the #1 spot. That and finding a pass rusher will really improve that secondary in 2018, especially with both Adams & Maye coming in with a year of experience.

[HessStation]

9 hours ago, Jetster said:

Adams & Maye had great years as rookies based on the Jets being bottom 3 in sacks! Clairborne played OK but he's better suited as a #2 CB. The #2 last year was a sh*tshow with them trying Skrine, Burris ect. I mean the Pats have Butler & Gilmore for gods sake.

Jets should resign Clairborne hopefully to a middling contract due to his past injuries. Sign Johnson/Fuller/Gaines, one of them to play the #1 spot. That and finding a pass rusher will really improve that secondary in 2018, especially with both Adams & Maye coming in with a year of experience.

Maye unfortunately didn't have a great rookie Year, it was ok. You hope he develops. Claiborne via PFF is a much better Cb when just playing the left side, I agree resign him and keep him relegated to that side. They've drafted a lot of mid late rounds guys and need to develop one who can play opposite. Money and draft needs to go into rebuilding the hopeless looking offense 

[flgreen]

On 1/23/2018 at 11:15 AM, Beerfish said:

I think Cousins is a total pipe dream for this team and there is a VERY low chance we get him.

I am in favor of building the oline, I've even said if the right guys are not there at 6 I would not be opposed to using 2 of our first 3 picks on oline.

I think Nelson is a good to great prospect.

I would HATE it if we chose a frigging guard at #6, just utterly hate it.  People are talking about him as if he is a 100% sure thing and the same thing was said about Warmack and the Washington guy. 

Pick a LT at 6?  Fine but piking a guard after our past history would be full idiocy.

The only part of your post I disagree with is the first line.  I think there is a very high possibility the Jets sign Cousins.

IMO they are going to go after him BIG TIME.  Macc/Bowles, extension or not, have to put a much better team on the field this year.  They have to get a QB who can play this year.  Macc clearly likes Cousins.  He's attempted to trade for him, knowing Cousins wanted top money.  Bowles likes veteran QB's.  Think they are going to go all in. 

Cousins has said the last few years he didn't have a problem playing on the Tag, because it maximized his value.  He'd like security at the same rate.  Don't think he'll be enamored  to play for the HOF'er Ellway enough to leave millions on the table. 

Think Macc is going to put the most money on the table, and I don't see any indications that Cousins won't take it

 

[BigO]

On 1/23/2018 at 12:32 PM, HessStation said:

Good point. Then imagine Denver takes Mayfield and all that's left is Jackson.

 

id personally then take Jackson.

Regardless, Mac has to take a QB at 6, whoever is there.