Bad Omen For The Jets If They Draft A QB With Their Current 1st Rounder

[TuscanyTile2]

The idea of taking a QB with "pick 6" just doesn't sound promising. 

[usanyj]

if we are being honest, every qb who puts on a jets uniform doesn't sound promising.

[Patriot Killa]

54 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The idea of taking a QB with "pick 6" just doesn't sound promising. 

O’Donnell mindset. Don’t do this lol.

[nyjunc]

The last QB chosen w/ the 6th overall pick was Trent Dilfer.  Other QBs chosen w/ 6th overall pick:

1994 Trent Dilfer TB

1992 David klingler Cin

1981 Rich Campbell GB

1976 Richard Todd NYJ

 

 

[rammagen]

I liked Richard Todd, it was not his fault the Fins lead by that cheating douchebag shula muddied the field.

By the way the this thread title is misleading, i thought there was something more then pick six and it is not even funny

[nyjunc]

35 minutes ago, rammagen said:

I liked Richard Todd, it was not his fault the Fins lead by that cheating douchebag shula muddied the field.

By the way the this thread title is misleading, i thought there was something more then pick six and it is not even funny

Miami swept us on good fields in the reg season, both teams played on the same field and Miami earned homefield advantage b/c they swept us. 

In the 2 reg season games vs. Miami he threw 5 INts in the title game he threw 5.

In his playoff career he threw 4 TDs and 12 INts, even if you take away the Miami game it's 4 Tds and 7 INts.  Not good BUT he did help get us there and did help end a long postseason drought so it's not all negative.  I think fondly of him b/c the 81/82 teams were the earliest I can remember as little kid so I like him but he wasn't very good.

[prime21]

25 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Miami swept us on good fields in the reg season, both teams played on the same field and Miami earned homefield advantage b/c they swept us. 

In the 2 reg season games vs. Miami he threw 5 INts in the title game he threw 5.

In his playoff career he threw 4 TDs and 12 INts, even if you take away the Miami game it's 4 Tds and 7 INts.  Not good BUT he did help get us there and did help end a long postseason drought so it's not all negative.  I think fondly of him b/c the 81/82 teams were the earliest I can remember as little kid so I like him but he wasn't very good.

You are JetNation's Wikipedia

[LockeJET]

This is why I would have started over with new coach and GM. We know both guys are basically on a one year deal even with the extensions. Can they really take a rookie QB at 6 based on having to have a solid year to remain with us? So I'm sure they go hard after Cousins. Which could be a huge mistake passing on a QB that most likely would be there at 6. Cousins sounds nice for a team that has all the other pieces but we dont. I just feel we have guys making decisions that will do it based on next year not the future. Id love Cousins but lets be real.. We need to draft a young guy and build it around him. We'd have a QB on the cheap and could put all the money in other places. Cousins at 30 mil is rough when we need so much more.

[Jetster]

23 minutes ago, LockeJET said:

This is why I would have started over with new coach and GM. We know both guys are basically on a one year deal even with the extensions. Can they really take a rookie QB at 6 based on having to have a solid year to remain with us? So I'm sure they go hard after Cousins. Which could be a huge mistake passing on a QB that most likely would be there at 6. Cousins sounds nice for a team that has all the other pieces but we dont. I just feel we have guys making decisions that will do it based on next year not the future. Id love Cousins but lets be real.. We need to draft a young guy and build it around him. We'd have a QB on the cheap and could put all the money in other places. Cousins at 30 mil is rough when we need so much more.

We'll have 105 million after cutting Mo & Forte. The 2018 Jets have zero cap issues. We will have so much cap space we have to spend. Jets will be able to front load a Cousins contract & have zero issues going forward. None of our free agents are cap busters. Clairborne, ASJ, Davis, none of them. It's not like these guys are super stars so if their agents get greedy they won't be here & will flounder around in the 1st wave of high priced free agency & might do worse when money runs out. Even sending our Seattle pick to the Skins, we'll still have 3 picks in the top 72, all near the top of rounds 1 thru 3. Exciting times. In the AFC we don't have to build the 85 Bears to compete in a weak 2018 AFC. 

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

The last QB chosen w/ the 6th overall pick was Trent Dilfer.  Other QBs chosen w/ 6th overall pick:

1994 Trent Dilfer TB

1992 David klingler Cin

1981 Rich Campbell GB

1976 Richard Todd NYJ

How about QB's picked after Pick 36 (i.e. were available at pick 6)?

I think there might be a few who worked out.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, rammagen said:

I liked Richard Todd, it was not his fault the Fins lead by that cheating douchebag shula muddied the field.

By the way the this thread title is misleading, i thought there was something more then pick six and it is not even funny

Tough crowd.  "Pick Six" was all I had but why was the title misleading?  Our current 1st rounder is the 6th pick.

[Ex-Rex]

49 minutes ago, LockeJET said:

This is why I would have started over with new coach and GM. We know both guys are basically on a one year deal even with the extensions. Can they really take a rookie QB at 6 based on having to have a solid year to remain with us? So I'm sure they go hard after Cousins. Which could be a huge mistake passing on a QB that most likely would be there at 6. Cousins sounds nice for a team that has all the other pieces but we dont. I just feel we have guys making decisions that will do it based on next year not the future. Id love Cousins but lets be real.. We need to draft a young guy and build it around him. We'd have a QB on the cheap and could put all the money in other places. Cousins at 30 mil is rough when we need so much more.

Not just that but the Jets would be paying Cousins upward of 30 mil per season which screws the salary cap completely and I am not sure Cousins is a guy that can take the team to the SB. So why do it? Alex Smith would cost less but the same problem exists in that the Jets are not set at a lot of positions yet. This despite having high draft choices every year for the last seven years. They keep taking defensive players in round one ignoring GLARING needs at OL and RB.

[BigO]

46 minutes ago, LockeJET said:

This is why I would have started over with new coach and GM. We know both guys are basically on a one year deal even with the extensions. Can they really take a rookie QB at 6 based on having to have a solid year to remain with us? So I'm sure they go hard after Cousins. Which could be a huge mistake passing on a QB that most likely would be there at 6. Cousins sounds nice for a team that has all the other pieces but we dont. I just feel we have guys making decisions that will do it based on next year not the future. Id love Cousins but lets be real.. We need to draft a young guy and build it around him. We'd have a QB on the cheap and could put all the money in other places. Cousins at 30 mil is rough when we need so much more.

Both are here for at least 2 more years. Both have one year left on their existing deal. Both signed a 2 year extension through 2020. They could go 0-16 next year and they’d both be back for 2019. Jet Down ⤵️

[Beerfish]

4 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The idea of taking a QB with "pick 6" just doesn't sound promising. 

Well we could call Jamal Adams 'pick six' but that might be false advertising.

[Happy Clouds]

33 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Tough crowd.  "Pick Six" was all I had but why was the title misleading?  Our current 1st rounder is the 6th pick.

Hey Tuscany, for what it’s worth, I liked it.

[ASH1962]

2 hours ago, rammagen said:

I liked Richard Todd, it was not his fault the Fins lead by that cheating douchebag shula muddied the field.

By the way the this thread title is misleading, i thought there was something more then pick six and it is not even funny

me-2 Todd was under rated and was a real good QB for us. Not his fault Gastineau was an idiot either.

[Philc1]

So by that logic we should wait to pick 199 to try to get a qb

[nyjunc]

3 hours ago, prime21 said:

You are JetNation's Wikipedia

is that good or bad?

[nyjunc]

2 hours ago, Warfish said:

How about QB's picked after Pick 36 (i.e. were available at pick 6)?

I think there might be a few who worked out.

there's a million guys who dropped below 6 that have turned out to be good/great.  as fans and in the media we all get a little crazy w/ the pick #, the only thing a high pick ensures is that you will have more options on how to pick.  The pick can be a bust drafted #1 and a HOfer drafted in the 6th round.  If drafting was easy certain teams wouldn't have zero SB wins and others wouldn't be closing in on 50 years.

[UnitedWhofans]

We should just create A Jets Qb merged thread

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Well we could call Jamal Adams 'pick six' but that might be false advertising.

Calling Adams Pick 6 is ironic like calling a fat guy tiny

[varjet]

5 hours ago, LockeJET said:

This is why I would have started over with new coach and GM. We know both guys are basically on a one year deal even with the extensions. Can they really take a rookie QB at 6 based on having to have a solid year to remain with us? So I'm sure they go hard after Cousins. Which could be a huge mistake passing on a QB that most likely would be there at 6. Cousins sounds nice for a team that has all the other pieces but we dont. I just feel we have guys making decisions that will do it based on next year not the future. Id love Cousins but lets be real.. We need to draft a young guy and build it around him. We'd have a QB on the cheap and could put all the money in other places. Cousins at 30 mil is rough when we need so much more.

• The Jets absolutely should have started over, but maybe they choose to doubledown/start over with MacBowles.  That is kind of ok, if they prove to be competent.  The Bates hiring sounds a bit panicked, but if the NFL thinks MacBowles is out after this year, MacBowles will need to dig their way out on their own.  The Johnsons could have done a better job signalling to the NFL that they were long term in support here. 
• Signing Cousins will not break the bank, because the Jets are in the sad position of not having other good players to sign.  The Jets can effectively front load a deal whereby Cousins gets more money up front while the Jets build through the draft, saving cap space for next year.
• Cousins may not want/need to sign with the Jets, given their roster/coach situation.  The only reason Cousins would sign with the Jets would be the money.  The Jets should be able to offer him more than any other team in the running.
• But it would be very Jetsy for the Johnsons not to want to offer a big QB contract.  I can see them much more comfortable with the draft-even the 6th Pick is much less than a FA QB contract.  Much less financial downside.
• I just don't get how people say how they expect a QB like Allen to have upside because his physical skills.  NFL QB is more driven by smarts.  Allen is a physical specimen with bad accuracy who may not be able to read a defense.  We have seen that before, and it does not work.  If Allen falls to 6, it is a sign that he is meant to be (and that the other teams passed on him).

[Hitman Harris]

This is why we're selling the draft to move up to 3. 

Todd Bowls LOVES 3's... his favorite point number. 

[RichardTodd27]

8 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The idea of taking a QB with "pick 6" just doesn't sound promising. 

There is something to this. Pick #6 is no mans land when it comes to QB's. If you're a sure fire "can't miss" QB, you should be going in the top 3 (regardless of team need).

My worst nightmare is that Darnold and Rosen are gone at #1 and #2, and the Jets trade up to #3 to draft Allen.

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

We should just create A Jets Qb merged thread

Who the hell is this "we" you speak of?

[Jetsplayer21]

5 hours ago, BigO said:

Both are here for at least 2 more years. Both have one year left on their existing deal. Both signed a 2 year extension through 2020. They could go 0-16 next year and they’d both be back for 2019. Jet Down ⤵️

Dam I forgot it is 3 more yrs on their deals ?ha. Going 0-16 would be better than another 5-11 season lol. You are right, 18 is pretty much a Free pass I guess, at least for Mac. If they do realize how bad of a HC bowles is next yr, why slow kill the guy you know you know has to go eventually ? Maybe they could offer Bowles the DC job. But that is unlikely, they prob wait and judge they very hard in 19. If they don’t make the playoffs by 19, they are gone.

[TuscanyTile2]

3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

So by that logic we should wait to pick 199 to try to get a qb

Not really.  I just want our QB to be associated with anything other than "pick 6".

 

[BigO]

23 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Dam I forgot it is 3 more yrs on their deals ?ha. Going 0-16 would be better than another 5-11 season lol. You are right, 18 is pretty much a Free pass I guess, at least for Mac. If they do realize how bad of a HC bowles is next yr, why slow kill the guy you know you know has to go eventually ? Maybe they could offer Bowles the DC job. But that is unlikely, they prob wait and judge they very hard in 19. If they don’t make the playoffs by 19, they are gone.

By end of ‘19, which they won’t make the playoffs, Bowles will definitely be fired. Mac, I believe then gets to pick his own coach and is given yet another 2 years with his coach. 

[Jetsplayer21]

2 minutes ago, BigO said:

By end of ‘19, which they won’t make the playoffs, Bowles will definitely be fired. Mac, I believe then gets to pick his own coach and is given yet another 2 years with his coach. 

This draft and FA will dictate mac’s future. If he does draft another qb in a top round ( 1st or 2nd) he is hedged to that qb’s success. Especially if we get 1 at 6, or move up. As a rookie that qb may not play much in 18, or judged if he does. In 19 he will. Mac won’t be able to use the same excuse like this qb needs 3 years to develop like he did with hackenberg. 

    If he signs a vet qb it’s a safer game for him. But he can’t flop on many of the draft picks whatever they are. And if he does spend a lot of johnson’s $ in FA, spending better translate into wins and a playoff appearance by 19. It would be hard for Mac to F up if he got to use all that avail cap. I don’t think they get away with firing yet another OC without them also finally taking responsibility.  

[TuscanyTile2]

16 minutes ago, BigO said:

By end of ‘19, which they won’t make the playoffs, Bowles will definitely be fired. Mac, I believe then gets to pick his own coach and is given yet another 2 years with his coach. 

I don't know if Macc would get to pick his own coach.  He didn't last time around.  And it doesn't sound like he even made the call to extend Bowles.  It seemed like that was Chris Johnson's decision (though maybe I'm wrong about that?)

[jetsons]

10 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The idea of taking a QB with "pick 6" just doesn't sound promising. 

Brady was a pick in the 6th... I'll take my chances with Mayfield @ 6.  

[TuscanyTile2]

2 minutes ago, jetsons said:

Brady was a pick in the 6th... I'll take my chances with Mayfield @ 6.  

LOL - I forgot about that.  For the record, my initial post wasn't intended to serious.

[jetsons]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

LOL - I forgot about that.  For the record, my initial post wasn't intended to serious.

I figured that

[rammagen]

On 1/24/2018 at 8:35 AM, nyjunc said:

Miami swept us on good fields in the reg season, both teams played on the same field and Miami earned homefield advantage b/c they swept us. 

In the 2 reg season games vs. Miami he threw 5 INts in the title game he threw 5.

In his playoff career he threw 4 TDs and 12 INts, even if you take away the Miami game it's 4 Tds and 7 INts.  Not good BUT he did help get us there and did help end a long postseason drought so it's not all negative.  I think fondly of him b/c the 81/82 teams were the earliest I can remember as little kid so I like him but he wasn't very good.

that was the strike shortened season if I recall the first game was a blow out the second was close. The Jets would have one the third game. I wondered what the odds actually were

[JohnnyLV]

On 1/24/2018 at 6:33 AM, Jetster said:

We'll have 105 million after cutting Mo & Forte. The 2018 Jets have zero cap issues. We will have so much cap space we have to spend. Jets will be able to front load a Cousins contract & have zero issues going forward. None of our free agents are cap busters. Clairborne, ASJ, Davis, none of them. It's not like these guys are super stars so if their agents get greedy they won't be here & will flounder around in the 1st wave of high priced free agency & might do worse when money runs out. Even sending our Seattle pick to the Skins, we'll still have 3 picks in the top 72, all near the top of rounds 1 thru 3. Exciting times. In the AFC we don't have to build the 85 Bears to compete in a weak 2018 AFC. 

We do NOT have to spend this year. The next year that matters for the average is 2020