Parting Ways With O-Line Coach was Right Move for Bowles, Jets

[JetNation]

While some fans questioned the wisdom of the recent firing of offensive coordinator John Morton, That shouldn’t be the case with offensive line coach Steve Marshall who was also reportedly let go today by Todd Bowles and company.

A 10-year coaching veteran, Marshall has spent each of the past three seasons working with the Jets O-line but the regression that fans saw this season was absolutely a fireable offense.

The team’s offense struggled to run the ball effectively for much of the season and the primary culprits for those struggles were James Carpenter, Wesley Johnson and Brian Winters, the heart of the team’s O-line.  Winters gets somewhat of a pass as we learned after the season that he’d played all year with a torn abdominal muscle, but Carpenter’s regression was a tough pill to swallow.

With Marshall out of the picture, the Jets are now in the market for a quarterbacks coach to replace the promoted Jeremy Bates and an offensive line coach to step in for Marshall.

 

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[GoingToMyGraveGreen]

Winters gets "somewhat of a pass" after having a torn abdominal muscle?....has anyone had one of these???? 

It's not just painful....it is torture!!!!

I'm surprised he could even get out of bed!

 

Dang....

 

[varjet]

The roster that Mac has constructed will be fatal to the coaches that try to work with it.  

He was supposed to coach Wes Johnson and a guy with a torn abdominal muscle, because there was no one else to replace Winters.  

Marshall actually did a decent job with little in the last few years.  The end is near for this crew.  

[CrazyCarl40]

Meh. It’s a scapegoat move. And Bowles is running out of them. The regression in line play is directly tied to how bad these players are. There is not a guy on the line that is anywhere close to being above average. Macc has massively ignored the offensive line in both the draft and free agency. He’s tried to plug holes with bad players at really important positions and tried to revamp the secondary twice in two years. He’s bad at his job and that trickles down to the coaching staff. I don’t know if this coach is worth his salt at all, but he wasn’t given much to work with. 

[Bleedin Green]

3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Meh. It’s a scapegoat move. And Bowles is running out of them. The regression in line play is directly tied to how bad these players are. There is not a guy on the line that is anywhere close to being above average. Macc has massively ignored the offensive line in both the draft and free agency. He’s tried to plug holes with bad players at really important positions and tried to revamp the secondary twice in two years. He’s bad at his job and that trickles down to the coaching staff. I don’t know if this coach is worth his salt at all, but he wasn’t given much to work with. 

Nothing about this post makes any sense.  It's a scapegoat move that was supposedly made by Bowles, yet it was made for Macc's failures?

Not to mention, I don't care how many folks ramble on about the scapegoat nonsense, it is still nonsensical to try to make that argument at a time when there is literally no such incentive from a couple of guys who just received contract extensions.  It has nothing to do even do with football, just a concept of simple logic that makes the argument indisputably wrong.

[Hitman Harris]

How many escape goats is this guy gonna use?! And I'm sure these idiots really DO think the problem is the coaching and not these shlt-tastic players 

[Jetsplayer21]

The line sucks. Do they expect line coach to magically make sh*tty players be great ones ? Lol. I’m surprised the line wasn’t worse, looking at who we have.

[rangerous]

if the team continues to lose then it will eventually come down to bowles and/or mac.  marshall has been the oline coach for 3 seasons.  maybe it's time for him to go elsewhere considering how badly the unit has played.  i agree that you can't keep running through assistant coaches but it's also possible they weren't very good either.

[CrazyCarl40]

8 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Nothing about this post makes any sense.  It's a scapegoat move that was supposedly made by Bowles, yet it was made for Macc's failures?

Not to mention, I don't care how many folks ramble on about the scapegoat nonsense, it is still nonsensical to try to make that argument at a time when there is literally no such incentive from a couple of guys who just received contract extensions.  It has nothing to do even do with football, just a concept of simple logic that makes the argument indisputably wrong.

Now, stick with me here, but it’s oossible for both Macc and Bowles to be bad at their jobs independent of one another. Actually, it’s been manifested many times over in individual decisions over the last three seasons. That may be a hard concept for you to understand, but both are bad. Also, if you think Bowles and Macc aren’t under any pressure because of those “extensions”, then you just don’t know how the NFL works. 

[T0mShane]

14 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Now, stick with me here, but it’s oossible for both Macc and Bowles to be bad at their jobs independent of one another. Actually, it’s been manifested many times over in individual decisions over the last three seasons. That may be a hard concept for you to understand, but both are bad. Also, if you think Bowles and Macc aren’t under any pressure because of those “extensions”, then you just don’t know how the NFL works. 

These moves seem like when someone enters hospice and decides they want all of their most loyal friends and family to visit before they die, even if some of them had previously expired/moved out of state. I’d almost guarantee that 90% of Bowles’ motivation in getting rid of Morton stemmed from Morton appearing on a couple of “assistants who will be head coaches” lists recently. There’s some wagon-circling going on in Florham.

[Bleedin Green]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Now, stick with me here, but it’s oossible for both Macc and Bowles to be bad at their jobs independent of one another. Actually, it’s been manifested many times over in individual decisions over the last three seasons. That may be a hard concept for you to understand, but both are bad. Also, if you think Bowles and Macc aren’t under any pressure because of those “extensions”, then you just don’t know how the NFL works. 

They most certainly can both be bad, but that doesn't magically change how nonsensical your fabricated storyline is.  You're the one who tried to create a connection of why a move made by one was some great conspiracy theory of a cover up for the other.

No one, other than those looking to incessantly whine about the Jets, can seriously think a year from now that the Jets could be saying "oh yeah, they're blameless for everything, because they fired that guy last year that no one even remembers!"

The argument is mind-numbingly stupid, and there is not the slightest shred of logic that supports it.  It has nothing to do with how the NFL works, but rather the simple concepts of how the brain does.

[Beerfish]

Worst 'Jets nation' article/editorial by far of any that I have seen.

The Jets have used one 2nd rounder, one 3rd rounder and a pile of late round hopes and wishes on the oline since the 2006 dbrick mangold draft.  the oline is garbage talent wise.  The offense had a 38 year old jag qb, only semi okay wrs, meh running backs.

The offense is the reason is team got to its lofty 5 win season in which bowles is being praised.  Zero resources on the offense all on the defense and the oc and the oline coach who did a lot with zippola both get fired and it is said it is the 'right thing to do'.

Bowles has his share of people totally hornswaggled I see.

I'm sure we will once again  hear about 'continuity' as the head  coach fires more fodder and keeps all of his dreadful, underachieving garbage buddies employed.

I've seen this act before.

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Worst 'Jets nation' article/editorial by far of any that I have seen.

The Jets have used one 2nd rounder, one 3rd rounder and a pile of late round hopes and wishes on the oline since the 2006 dbrick mangold draft.  the oline is garbage talent wise.  The offense had a 38 year old jag qb, only semi okay wrs, meh running backs.

The offense is the reason is team got to its lofty 5 win season in which bowles is being praised.  Zero resources on the offense all on the defense and the oc and the oline coach who did a lot with zippola both get fired and it is said it is the 'right thing to do'.

Bowles has his share of people totally hornswaggled I see.

I'm sure we will once again  hear about 'continuity' as the head  coach fires more fodder and keeps all of his dreadful, underachieving garbage buddies employed.

I've seen this act before.

Consider that Bowles will never be a head coach again, Kacy Rodgers will never sniff another DC job, and Jeremy Bates will likely be out of the league again next year.

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Consider that Bowles will never be a head coach again, Kacy Rodgers will never sniff another DC job, and Jeremy Bates will likely be out of the league again next year.

Maybe I dont get how the league works anymore, but with two 5-11 seasons in a row- ya think the HC might want to jump in front of this and touch on why he's firing these guys?

Where are the Jets going?

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Maybe I dont get how the league works anymore, but with two 5-11 seasons in a row- ya think the HC might want to jump in front of this and touch on why he's firing these guys?

Where are the Jets going?

He's a total fraud, fake tough guy straight shooter, he is very close to rex ryan, he's just the quiet version of rex.

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Maybe I dont get how the league works anymore, but with two 5-11 seasons in a row- ya think the HC might want to jump in front of this and touch on why he's firing these guys?

Where are the Jets going?

Easy answer: no one is in charge and no one is accountable. 

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He's a total fraud, fake tough guy straight shooter, he is very close to rex ryan, he's just the quiet version of rex.

I'm just confused on why everything right now is such a secret. I mean we dont need the gory details, but at least a vision here. Bowles and Maccagnan in 3 years have said nothing of significance. They've avoided the QB position entirely. We're going into year 4, picking 6th for the third time and there's still a cloud of doubt that Bowles will green light a QB in the first round.

 You can do that when you're winning. Idzik got crushed for his rambling presser but at least he gave you something that resembled a plan.

[SenorGato]

My guess is Bowels is scared this guy will replace him or this guy sided with Morton during the great war for control and power going on as we discuss. These guys are an open book 

[CrazyCarl40]

54 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

They most certainly can both be bad, but that doesn't magically change how nonsensical your fabricated storyline is.  You're the one who tried to create a connection of why a move made by one was some great conspiracy theory of a cover up for the other.

No one, other than those looking to incessantly whine about the Jets, can seriously think a year from now that the Jets could be saying "oh yeah, they're blameless for everything, because they fired that guy last year that no one even remembers!"

The argument is mind-numbingly stupid, and there is not the slightest shred of logic that supports it.  It has nothing to do with how the NFL works, but rather the simple concepts of how the brain does.

Except I didn’t draw those two things together, you did. You just didn’t understand my first post at all. Offensive line was bad for a myriad of reasons from coaching to personnel. Both can be true and both Bowles and Macc can be part of the blame. This isn’t a chicken and egg scenario. This is a GM has ignored the position and Bowles couldn’t coach up what was brought in or find a way to make it work with a different scheme. Nobody really cares on a micro level this guy was let go, except that it sucks for him and his family, etc. On a macro level, this just continues to show how inept the front office is and the coaching staff also is. Simply, firing all of these offensive coaches when they overachieved and the defense underwhelmed is laughable. 

[Bleedin Green]

3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Except I didn’t draw those two things together, you did. You just didn’t understand my first post at all. Offensive line was bad for a myriad of reasons from coaching to personnel. Both can be true and both Bowles and Macc can be part of the blame. This isn’t a chicken and egg scenario. This is a GM has ignored the position and Bowles couldn’t coach up what was brought in or find a way to make it work with a different scheme. Nobody really cares on a micro level this guy was let go, except that it sucks for him and his family, etc. On a macro level, this just continues to show how inept the front office is and the coaching staff also is. Simply, firing all of these offensive coaches when they overachieved and the defense underwhelmed is laughable.

So none of this has anything to do with the fabricated scapegoat melodrama that was the basis of your initial post?  Got it.

[CrazyCarl40]

1 minute ago, Bleedin Green said:

So none of this has anything to do with the fabricated scapegoat melodrama that was the basis of your initial post?  Got it.

So Bowles isn’t scapegoating the offensive coaches for his own ineptitude and the failings of defensive coaches?

[Bleedin Green]

Just now, CrazyCarl40 said:

So Bowles isn’t scapegoating the offensive coaches for his own ineptitude and the failings of defensive coaches?

Only if you have no understanding of what the word scapegoat actually means.

[chirorob]

2 hours ago, GoingToMyGraveGreen said:

Winters gets "somewhat of a pass" after having a torn abdominal muscle?....has anyone had one of these???? 

It's not just painful....it is torture!!!!

I'm surprised he could even get out of bed!

 

Dang....

 

That dude is tough.   Like, crazy tough to do that.

[CrazyCarl40]

3 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Only if you have no understanding of what the word scapegoat actually means.

And it’s obvious that you don’t. But it’s cool if it’s your own goat bro. Just take this one and let it go. 

[Charlie Brown]

I always have a problem when folks suggest that a coach is somehow supposed to "coach up" mediocre talent. That is a myth IMO.

You can't make a player develop into that which he isn't and firing coaches doesn't change that...

[Bleedin Green]

4 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

And it’s obvious that you don’t. But it’s cool if it’s your own goat bro. Just take this one and let it go. 

Ah yes, nothing like the old "I know you are but what am I" response.  Bottom line, you wanted to bitch about these two, and that's just fine and dandy.  But, in an attempt to be all "clever" about it, you created some mystical storyline that makes absolutely no sense at all.  The entire premise around which the concept of scapegoats would be used, literally does not exist at this time.  If anything, the timing of the move makes it as far out from being used as a point of blame as is possible.

I look forward to hear the screams of SCAPEGOAT the first time the team cuts a player.  Then again, that could very well have a bit more merit to it than this laughable attempt.

[sourceworx]

54 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

He's a total fraud, fake tough guy straight shooter, he is very close to rex ryan, he's just the quiet version of rex.

At least Rex was fun for a while.

On top of being a bad coach, Bowles is a f*cking dullard.

[Fantasy Island]

4 hours ago, JetNation said:

While some fans questioned the wisdom of the recent firing of offensive coordinator John Morton, That shouldn’t be the case with offensive line coach Steve Marshall who was also reportedly let go today by Todd Bowles and company.

A 10-year coaching veteran, Marshall has spent each of the past three seasons working with the Jets O-line but the regression that fans saw this season was absolutely a fireable offense.

The team’s offense struggled to run the ball effectively for much of the season and the primary culprits for those struggles were James Carpenter, Wesley Johnson and Brian Winters, the heart of the team’s O-line.  Winters gets somewhat of a pass as we learned after the season that he’d played all year with a torn abdominal muscle, but Carpenter’s regression was a tough pill to swallow.

With Marshall out of the picture, the Jets are now in the market for a quarterbacks coach to replace the promoted Jeremy Bates and an offensive line coach to step in for Marshall.

 

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And yet Kacy Rodgers remains.  Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum still running us into the ground.  Extend them some more you ****s.

[CrazyCarl40]

6 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Ah yes, nothing like the old "I know you are but what am I" response.  Bottom line, you wanted to bitch about these two, and that's just fine and dandy.  But, in an attempt to be all "clever" about it, you created some mystical storyline that makes absolutely no sense at all.  The entire premise around which the concept of scapegoats would be used, literally does not exist at this time.  If anything, the timing of the move makes it as far out from being used as a point of blame as is possible.

I look forward to hear the screams of SCAPEGOAT the first time the team cuts a player.  Then again, that could very well have a bit more merit to it than this laughable attempt.

I didn’t create any mystical storyline. You misinterpreted my post. I’m sorry you have reading comprehension problems. Next time I’ll try to do it at a lower reading level so that you can fully understand what I meant. Here I’ll try now:

Bowles bad. Macc bad. Both should be fired. Firing throw and run and block coaches when the tackle coaches are worse is lol. 

Hope you get it now!

[Jetfan13]

Our o-line has REGRESSED ever since Callahan got away.

[long suffering jets fan]

9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Worst 'Jets nation' article/editorial by far of any that I have seen.

The Jets have used one 2nd rounder, one 3rd rounder and a pile of late round hopes and wishes on the oline since the 2006 dbrick mangold draft.  the oline is garbage talent wise.  The offense had a 38 year old jag qb, only semi okay wrs, meh running backs.

The offense is the reason is team got to its lofty 5 win season in which bowles is being praised.  Zero resources on the offense all on the defense and the oc and the oline coach who did a lot with zippola both get fired and it is said it is the 'right thing to do'.

Bowles has his share of people totally hornswaggled I see.

I'm sure we will once again  hear about 'continuity' as the head  coach fires more fodder and keeps all of his dreadful, underachieving garbage buddies employed.

I've seen this act before.

Just a truly great post!  I really want to believe this team is going in the right direction, but the tell tale will be how we spend our resources (picks and $$$) this year.  Morton did a more than admirable job considering what he had to work with, particularly on the OL.  Let's hope all this was about giving the new OC the OL coach he really wants.  Your assessment of how we've been operating for the past dozen years is spot on.  Tannenbaum built up this offense then after 2 AFCGs he began tearing it down and the trend of non-investment has continued ever since.

[bla bla bla]

I'm not really for or against this move, OL was bad so I guess it makes sense. IMO Johnson was really the weak link there and upgrading center plus adding a healthy Winters will go a long way. I'm curious if Bowles will select a guy or if Bates will get to pick someone he wants.

[jamesr]

11 hours ago, GoingToMyGraveGreen said:

Winters gets "somewhat of a pass" after having a torn abdominal muscle?....has anyone had one of these???? 

It's not just painful....it is torture!!!!

I'm surprised he could even get out of bed!

 

Dang....

 

 

9 hours ago, chirorob said:

That dude is tough.   Like, crazy tough to do that.

This is what is the most damning part of this story, IMHO ... the fact that our BEST OPTION was trot out an injured player week after week because none of our depth guys were able to beat out a guy playing with a torn abdominal muscle.

If that's the case, this off season needs to see a large broom sweeping out all our not-up-to-anything "depth" and start over. If you won't play your backup when the starter is hurt, why have a backup in the first place?

[UnitedWhofans]

I've said this before, I think Wesley Johnson had Wayne Hunter syndrome. Guy came in at the end of last year, played OK, and seemed like he could be the starter. Then he became the starter and mucked it up.

 

[sourceworx]

I know everyone is sh!tting on Bowles lately, and much of it is justified, but to me this isn't scapegoating. Bowles already got his extension. 

To me this is Bates picking the assistants that he wants. He's supposedly going to bring in a running game coordinator. I suspect his new O-Line coach will likely serve in that role.