Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: Take a look at the Bears move man. You are living in an alternate universe and never answered me. What do you think they ask for? Knowing the Jets aren't the only ones on the phone. You ask me this frickin question twice a month!!!! How many times do I have to answer it. HUH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Denver WILL get Baker if we don’t jump them. It’s that simple. They absolutely love him. Unless they get Cousins ha. There is a lot of chatter they are going to go after cousins first. If they fail at getting him or Smith, they prob do sign a ave vet and still go for baker. They want to try to win now. Von Miller and co Aren’t getting any younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I think it was a 3rd, a 4th and next years 4th @kevinc855 there is your answer. “Mr. Mathmatics”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Jetsplayer21 said: Unless they get Cousins ha. There is a lot of chatter they are going to go after cousins first. If they fail at getting him or Smith, they prob do sign a ave vet and still go for baker. They want to try to win now. Von Miller and co Aren’t getting any younger. Problem is with the pick being available other teams will look into jumping us too. We’ve known all along it’d come to this #3 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: What are you smoking? It’s not going to cost 2 second rounders and our 6th to move up 3 frickin’ spots ..do you have any idea what a value chart is? Value charts go out the window if there are multiple teams wanting the same thing, and each of those teams feel they have a "must have" player. It is a game of poker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said: Problem is with the pick being available other teams will look into jumping us too. We’ve known all along it’d come to this #3 pick. the question is, does the pick lose a ton of value if darnold/rosen go 1/2 and noone is in love with allen who is viewed around the nfl as a project? so then you have the colts trying to drum up interest with denver, ny and perhaps buffalo or az for mayfield, and the only team i can see trading up for him is denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said: Value charts go out the window if there are multiple teams wanting the same thing, and each of those teams feel they have a "must have" player. It is a game of poker Barely when the teams this year that would want him are all in the mid to late 1st rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just my hot take this isn’t really news either. Colts have been the most obvious trade out since the draft order was established. If the Jets really believe in the third QB drafted will be a guy then great, but that seems unbelievable. 2004 draft this is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Problem is with the pick being available other teams will look into jumping us too. We’ve known all along it’d come to this #3 pick. Well if Barkleyis not drafed at 3 or 4, you probably have more looking to jump up to 5 for him not Baker. I don’t think anyone is picking mayfield over Barkley. Jets can’t go chasing picks now. They have to be a big man and do what they can at 6. We all agree it was more important to let josh McCown play and win 5 games so we can pick at 6. Instead of only winnng 2-3 games with petty/hack and picking 2nd overall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, NoBowles said: I think it was a 3rd, a 4th and next years 4th It was a 3rd a 4th and a 2018 3rd. But the Bears were moving up just 1 pick, from 3 to 2. Value of Top 6 picks according to the chart: #1: 3,000 #2: 2,600 #3: 2,200 #4: 1,800 #5: 1,700 #6: 1,600 We would have to offer more than the bears to move up. 37th pick is 530 - so we would need to offer that plus later round pick, based on the chart. But if we get into a bidding war for the pick, all bets are off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said: Well if Barkleyis not drafed at 3 or 4, you probably have more looking to jump up to 5 for him not Baker. I don’t think anyone is picking mayfield over Barkley. Jets can’t go chasing picks now. They have to be a big man and do what they can at 6. We all agree it was more important to let josh McCown play and win 5 games so we can pick at 6. Instead of only winnng 2-3 games with petty/hack and picking 2nd overall ? LOL who is taking Barkely top 5? Maybe the Browns because they have 2 top 5 picks. That’s it though. Do you not know how many great RB’s are in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Lith said: It was a 3rd a 4th and a 2018 3rd. But the Bears were moving up just 1 pick, from 3 to 2. Value of Top 6 picks according to the chart: #1: 3,000 #2: 2,600 #3: 2,200 #4: 1,800 #5: 1,700 #6: 1,600 We would have to offer more than the bears to move up. 37th pick is 530 - so we would need to offer that plus later round pick, based on the chart. But if we get into a bidding war for the pick, all bets are off. Betting wars don’t sound that probable to me when we hold the #6 pick compared to any other QB needy team not named Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Mac at least has to inquire for cost. This doesnt have to happen today. You play them while you play the Cousins sweepstakes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 People using the "chart" to determine value when talking about trading up for a QB are out to lunch. The chart goes out to window when you have a bidding war for a prized QB. I'm not getting my hopes up, though. I don't see this administration drafting Mayfield.... And if we trade up for Allen I might jump out a window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: PLEASE let the Browns take Josh Allen at # 1..... The intel teams have is a lot more clear than what fans have. If the team has any inclination Allen is going #1 you do whatever it takes imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: What are you smoking? It’s not going to cost 2 second rounders and our 6th to move up 3 frickin’ spots ..do you have any idea what a value chart is? Yes. The value chart say roughly it would take our high 2nd and our 4th. You really think if a QB is sitting there, they won't be able to extract that extra 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: People using the "chart" to determine value when talking about trading up for a QB are out to lunch. The chart goes out to window when you have a bidding war for a prized QB. I'm not getting my hopes up, though. I don't see this administration drafting Mayfield.... And if we trade up for Allen I might jump out a window. Trading up to 3 for Rosen or Darnokd I'm all in. im ok with any of the other QBs at 6 but not trading up for w other picks that could potentially include next year's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: They aren’t, but they’re being held back by their coaching staff. Hue Jackson makes Todd Bowles look like Lombardi. I disagree. I find it hard to believe that the same guy that led the terrible Raiders to a 6-0 AFC West record and made the Cincinnati Bengal running game dominant with sh*tty Jeremy Hill and Gio Bernard (2,368 combined scrimmage yards in 2014, 2,075 in 2015 with Hue as OC) suddenly forgot how to coach. It's very hard to win with a highly turnover prone young QB like he had in Kizer this past season. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, gEYno said: Yes. The value chart say roughly it would take our high 2nd and our 4th. You really think if a QB is sitting there, they won't be able to extract that extra 2nd? Agreed the value chart is reference. It's not fixed or law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 21 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Value charts go out the window if there are multiple teams wanting the same thing, and each of those teams feel they have a "must have" player. It is a game of poker +1 The charts are often used, but they're more often used as a starting point. If there are no other offers and the team wants to move down, the team takes less; opposite if there's competition for the pick, especially when you're talking about theoretical FQBs in the top 2 draft slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: LOL who is taking Barkely top 5? Maybe the Browns because they have 2 top 5 picks. That’s it though. Do you not know how many great RB’s are in this draft. I do. But Barkley is a rare breed far and above all the good backs coming out. Mayfield has questions also, on and off field. I agree he is very talented in college spread, but doesn’t always translate. I see your argument, there is good value at rb in 2nd round, but they sure aren’t barkley. Unfortately I don’t see Todd Bowles developing the offense to cater around mayfield’s strengths. Barkley on the other hand would be a 2k all purpose yard guy for jets for many years if we give him some blockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Haley and Rosen sounds like a huge dysfunctional relationship in the making plus Rosen's unwillingness to go to Cleveland. that's good news I also don't see Rosen fitting in with the Giant "culture" im almost excited about this possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, HessStation said: Haley and Rosen sounds like a huge dysfunctional relationship in the making plus Rosen's unwillingness to go to Cleveland. that's good news I also don't see Rosen fitting in with the Giant culture im almost excited about this possibility Not getting my hopes up, but yeah. Landing Darnold or Rosen at 3 would be the absolute best possible result that could come from this draft, and isn't THAT unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: I do. But Barkley is a rare breed far and above all the good backs coming out. Mayfield has questions also, on and off field. I agree he is very talented in college spread, but doesn’t always translate. I see your argument, there is good value at rb in 2nd round, but they sure aren’t barkley. Unfortately I don’t see Todd Bowles developing the offense to cater around mayfield’s strengths. Barkley on the other hand would be a 2k all purpose yard guy for jets for many years if we give him some blockers. He was not even that productive in college the last year ... I mean I know he’s a great prospect but at #5 or #6 ...no way for the Jets. You go get your QB. Mayfield really doesn’t have as many questions as people are trying to pin him with. He looks more and more natural from under center by the snap. He isn’t going to have a problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, HessStation said: I also don't see Rosen fitting in with the Giant culture Because he's not "classy" enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: +1 The charts are often used, but they're more often used as a starting point. If there are no other offers and the team wants to move down, the team takes less; opposite if there's competition for the pick, especially when you're talking about theoretical FQBs in the top 2 draft slots. Ask Bill Parcells about value of the overall #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: You ask me this frickin question twice a month!!!! How many times do I have to answer it. HUH? My guess would be more than two times per month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, gEYno said: Yes. The value chart say roughly it would take our high 2nd and our 4th. You really think if a QB is sitting there, they won't be able to extract that extra 2nd? Our #6 alone is far more valuable than any other team’s pick. They all pick mid round to late 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: Our #6 alone is far more valuable than any other team’s pick. They all pick mid round to late 1st. Macc once bid against himself for Ryan Fitzpatrick. They'd get the extra 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, JiF said: Mac at least has to inquire for cost. This doesnt have to happen today. You play them while you play the Cousins sweepstakes as well. If Luck can pass a physical give the Colts our 6th for Luck and profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said: Because he's not "classy" enough. Honestly, yeah. Their ownership/FO being uplddy dbags might work in the Jets favor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said: Ask Bill Parcells about value of the overall #1 pick. FFS he's the last one you'd ask. I'll give you my #1 overall pick. You give me...whatever you think is fair, so long as I get more than 1 pick in return. Because this Jets team isn't 1 player away. How many people have been repeatedly swindled like that in the history of the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Our #6 alone is far more valuable than any other team’s pick. They all pick mid round to late 1st. Until said team offers next year's #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, The Crusher said: If Luck can pass a physical give the Colts our 6th for Luck and profit. Lol they aren’t in the businesss of giving up on Luck .. otherwise they would just draft a QB themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: People using the "chart" to determine value when talking about trading up for a QB are out to lunch. The chart goes out to window when you have a bidding war for a prized QB. I'm not getting my hopes up, though. I don't see this administration drafting Mayfield.... And if we trade up for Allen I might jump out a window. You will be fine if you jump. The pile of other Jet fans who already jumped will save you from certain death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.