Is Mayfield more Like Favre or Manziel?

[long suffering jets fan]

Defend your Answer

[Grandy]

Neither, he's Drew Brees.

[Patriot Killa]

Neither, Russell Wilson. He is a “pass first/elude the rush with mobility only when necessary” type of QB. He has great accuracy and is a born winner and he has the intangibles and quick processor to pick up on playbooks and defensive schemes..all traits which favor Wilson as well. His personality is a more fiery than a more quite Russell Wilson .. but that is actually better in my personal opinion. He is more Russell Wilson than any other player.

[T0mShane]

Is Lamar Jackson more like Tom Brady or François “Papa Doc” Duvalier?

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Is Lamar Jackson more like Tom Brady or François “Papa Doc” Duvalier?

Francois who?

 

i think he served me at Longhorns the other day.

[Untouchable]

Neither

I’d say a realistic comparison is a smaller Alex Smith.

Decent arm, smart, accurate and good mobility (but sure as hell not as mobile as Wilson).

I think the kid could turn out to be a solid starting QB for a number of years, but I don’t see Top 10 franchise QB material.

I don’t care what anyone says, 6’0 or shorter is a big detriment at the QB position. Guys like Brees and Wilson are the very rare exceptions. And even Seattle has to constantly get Wilson on the move outside the pocket to open up clean passing lanes.

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Neither

I’d say a realistic comparison is a smaller Alex Smith.

Decent arm, smart, accurate and good mobility (but sure as hell not as mobile as Wilson).

I think the kid could turn out to be a solid starting QB for a number of years, but I don’t see Top 10 franchise QB material.

I don’t care what anyone says, 6’0 or shorter is a big detriment at the QB position. Guys like Brees and Wilson are the very rare exceptions. And even Seattle has to constantly get Wilson on the move outside the pocket to open up clean passing lanes.

So rare exceptions can’t include Baker Mayfield? Wheres that rule?

[Sonny Werblin]

I have 3 kids. Recently I was lecturing the youngest to be like my oldest child and not like the middle one.... He looked very puzzled after my 5 minute speech and said "why can't I just be like me?"

These comparisons are worthless. Mayfield is Mayfield, and he will succeed or fail on his own merits, and not on the merits of where he falls on some nonsensical Favre to Manzel spectrum.

[Jetsplayer21]

Doesn’t matter. Under snap with worst Offense in nfl he will definitely look like mark Sanchez 

[Untouchable]

2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

So rare exceptions can’t include Baker Mayfield? Wheres that rule?

Who said it can’t?

But do I personally see him joining that class? No, not really.

You can be head over heels in love with the kids “passion” and “fire” all day, but it’s going to take a lot more than that.

Mayfield has plenty of mechanical issues that will need to be ironed out, Oklahoma’s offense didn’t feature a single pro-style concept in their playbook, and he has the short stature going against him as well.

If you’re in favor of taking him at #6...okay, I can understand the gamble.

But the contingent that want to give up multiple picks for him and trade up to #3 or even #1 overall?

No, that’s batsh*t crazy.

The only QB I’d give up future high picks for is Darnold.

[Dcat]

6 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

So rare exceptions can’t include Baker Mayfield? Wheres that rule?

I think the point is that you don't use a #6 pick hoping for a rare exception.  Wilson was a 3rd rounder.  Brees was a 2nd rounder.  Solely because of their size.  Add 3-4" onto them both then they would have been 1st round for sure.  You would probably find most 6' 3/8" or less QBs drafted did not succeed.  Just because Wislon and Brees did, doesn't convince me that gambling the #6 pick for him is worth the value.  And i really like the way he plays.  I won't mind if they do believe in him and take him there, I'm just saying he comes with an extra risk because of it.

[Dcat]

1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I have 3 kids. Recently I was lecturing the youngest to be like my oldest child and not like the middle one.... He looked very puzzled after my 5 minute speech and said "why can't I just be like me?"

These comparisons are worthless. Mayfield is Mayfield, and he will succeed or fail on his own merits, and not on the merits of where he falls on some nonsensical Favre to Manzel spectrum.

Bravo for your boy! Great reply!  

[Patriot Killa]

8 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Who said it can’t?

But do I personally see him joining that class? No, not really.

You can be head over heels in love with the kids “passion” and “fire” all day, but it’s going to take a lot more than that.

Mayfield has plenty of mechanical issues that will need to be ironed out, Oklahoma’s offense didn’t feature a single pro-style concept in their playbook, and he has the short stature going against him as well.

If you’re in favor of taking him at #6...okay, I can understand the gamble.

But the contingent that want to give up multiple picks for him and trade up to #3 or even #1 overall?

No, that’s batsh*t crazy.

The only QB I’d give up future high picks for is Darnold.

He is looking smootherr with every snap under center and has showed it every single day at Senior Bowl practice. He has the quick processor required to “iron” that out. If you think i’m head over heels for him just because of fire and passion, you are mistaken. He goes through progressions even though he was placed in spread offense. 

But you want the turnover machine from USC over Mayfield? Ok. 

Hey to each his own. I won’t knock it. I’m just saying .. there are clearly faults with every prospect. Darnold played the spread this year too.

[freestater]

20 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Francois who?

 

i think he served me at Longhorns the other day.

Brutal dictator of either Haiti or Dominican Republic. Can't remember which...but I've already done some bong hits.

[Patriot Killa]

5 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I think the point is that you don't use a #6 pick hoping for a rare exception.  Wilson was a 3rd rounder.  Brees was a 2nd rounder.  Solely because of their size.  Add 3-4" onto them both then they would have been 1st round for sure.  You would probably find most 6' 3/8" or less QBs drafted did not succeed.  Just because Wislon and Brees did, doesn't convince me that gambling the #6 pick for him is worth the value.  And i really like the way he plays.  I won't mind if they do believe in him and take him there, I'm just saying he comes with an extra risk because of it.

I don’t consider players like him rare exceptions as he does. I was simply playing along to his point. I believe mayfield is a future star and would take him #3 .. if Macc finds a QB he sees in the same light .. he should consider doing that very thing.

[flgreen]

Neither.   He's not a drug addict , and I don't know where the Favre comparison comes in at all.  Has he been texting pictures of his johnson?  

I liked Mayfield at 6 , if they don't get Cousins, but after Senior Bowl week I don't think he'll be there at 6.  I'd go up and get him.  Think he'll be great for this team, fit in NYC, and be able to handle the idiot media in NY.

 

Make it happen Macc

 

[Untouchable]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

He is looking another with every snap under center and has showed it every single day at Senior Bowl practice. He has the quick processor required to “iron” that out. If you think i’m head over heels for him just because of fire and passion, you are mistaken. He goes through progressions even though he was placed in spread offense. 

But you want the turnover machine from USC over Mayfield? Ok.

I could care less about senior bowl practices.

Mayfield taking a few snaps under center in a practice environment with no defender ready to drill him into the dirt means nothing to me.

Everyone wants to keep throwing around the Russell Wilson comparisons while seemingly ignoring that Wilson has the superior arm, mobility and had 4 years of experience in a pro-style offense at both N.C. State and Wisconsin.

Literally the only knock against Wilson was his height. He checked every other box with flying colors.

And would I rather have Darnold over Mayfield? You bet your ass I would. Toss the bullsh*t stats and Heisman trophies out the window. It’s all about how well your game translates to the pro level. Darnold is a gambler who will throw his share of INT’s at the next level, and he’ll also drop your jaw with 3-4 passes a game that only a handful of NFL QB’s can make. He’s the kid who warrants the Favre comparisons.

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

I could care less about senior bowl practices.

Mayfield taking a few snaps under center in a practice environment with no defender ready to drill him into the dirt means nothing to me.

Everyone wants to keep throwing around the Russell Wilson comparisons while seemingly ignoring that Wilson has the superior arm, mobility and had 4 years of experience in a pro-style offense at both N.C. State and Wisconsin.

Literally the only knock against Wilson was his height. He checked every other box with flying colors.

And would I rather have Darnold over Mayfield? You bet your ass I would. Toss the bullsh*t stats and Heisman trophies out the window. It’s all about how well your game translates to the pro level. Darnold is a gambler who will throw his share of INT’s at the next level, and he’ll also drop your jaw with 3-4 passes a game that only a handful of NFL QB’s can make. He’s the kid who warrants the Favre comparisons.

Darnold literally ran the same spread concepts as Mayfield.....what are you even saying? Mayfield and Darnold both stood in the shotgun all year but the difference is Mayfield’s “Bullsh*t stats” were better than Darnolds “Bullsh*t stats” LOL.

Stats in college are blown out of proportion and often skewed .. that doesn’t mean they are worthless. 

[The Crusher]

23 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said:

I have 3 kids. Recently I was lecturing the youngest to be like my oldest child and not like the middle one.... He looked very puzzled after my 5 minute speech and said "why can't I just be like me?"

These comparisons are worthless. Mayfield is Mayfield, and he will succeed or fail on his own merits, and not on the merits of where he falls on some nonsensical Favre to Manzel spectrum.

Oh ok. I was confused. I thought he was asking if Baker was more likely to go on a coke bender or show his penis to a female staff member. Before I realized what they were asking I was actually leaning towards both.

[Jetsplayer21]

Just now, The Crusher said:

Oh ok. I was confused. I thought he was asking if Baker was more likely to go on a coke bender or show his penis to a female staff member. Before I realized what they were asking I was actually leaning towards both.

Any qb Who plays with worst O in nfl deserves to do both lol.

[Untouchable]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Darnold literally ran the same spread concepts as Mayfield.....what are you even saying? Mayfield and Darnold both stood in the shotgun all year but the difference is Mayfield’s “Bullsh*t stats” were better than Darnolds “Bullsh*t stats” LOL.

Stats in college are blown out of proportion and often skewed .. that doesn’t mean they are worthless. 

Sam Darnold just 3-4 years ago was playing LB.

And after just a couple of years of playing the QB position, he’s the best prospect since Andrew Luck.

His upside is remarkable. He hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential.

Mayfield may turn out to be a damn good NFL QB, but he has limitations that can’t just be brushed to the side because he “loves football” or has a “fiery personality”.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

Sam Darnold just 3-4 years ago was playing LB.

And after just a couple of years of playing the QB position, he’s the best prospect since Andrew Luck.

His upside is remarkable. He hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential.

Mayfield may turn out to be a damn good NFL QB, but he has limitations that can’t just be brushed to the side because he “loves football” or has a “fiery personality”.

Wait, what??  Is this true?

[Untouchable]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Wait, what??  Is this true?

Yes, he played LB in high school.

Justin Wilcox (former USC defensive coordinator) originally wanted to bring him in as an OLB.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

Sam Darnold just 3-4 years ago was playing LB.

And after just a couple of years of playing the QB position, he’s the best prospect since Andrew Luck.

His upside is remarkable. He hasn’t even scratched the surface of his potential.

Mayfield may turn out to be a damn good NFL QB, but he has limitations that can’t just be brushed to the side because he “loves football” or has a “fiery personality”.

Sam Darnold was playing WR in high school until his last year of HS. And no, he is not the “best prospect since Andrew Luck” didn’t we all dismiss this after he flunked the first half of the season? Sam Darnold may be a good QB but his turnover problems can’t just be brushed off either. I mean, you can keep quoting “love for football” and “fiery personality” all you want lol...I already explained the actual skill traits that convince me otherwise so..ay..the small stuff doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. 

[Untouchable]

2 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Sam Darnold was playing WR in high school until his last year of HS. And no, he is not the “best prospect since Andrew Luck” didn’t we all dismiss this after he flunked the first half of the season? Sam Darnold may be a good QB but his turnover problems can’t just be brushed off either. I mean, you can keep quoting “love for football” and “fiery personality” all you want lol...I already explained the actual skill traits that convince me otherwise so..ay..the small stuff doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. 

He played WR and LB his freshman and sophomore seasons in HS.

And yes, he is the best prospect since Andrew Luck. I don’t buy any of these bullsh*t pre-draft rumors like so many do. The Browns aren’t taking Josh Allen at #1, they’re taking Darnold. Take it to the bank.

And of course Darnold’s turnovers can’t just be brushed off. It’s one of the biggest things he’ll need to work on when he gets to the pros. And much like Mayfield, he has a tendency to get a bit skittish with his footwork in the pocket.

But he has everything that you look for. Size, smarts, leadership, big arm, toughness, mobility, isn’t afraid to take risks, etc.

[Patriot Killa]

3 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

He played WR and LB his freshman and sophomore seasons in HS.

And yes, he is the best prospect since Andrew Luck. I don’t buy any of these bullsh*t pre-draft rumors like so many do. The Browns aren’t taking Josh Allen at #1, they’re taking Darnold. Take it to the bank.

And of course Darnold’s turnovers can’t just be brushed off. It’s one of the biggest things he’ll need to work on when he gets to the pros. And much like Mayfield, he has a tendency to get a bit skittish with his footwork in the pocket.

But he has everything that you look for. Size, smarts, leadership, big arm, toughness, mobility, isn’t afraid to take risks, etc.

Everything here aside from Size is what Mayfield possesses. Mayfield doesn’t have a “huge arm” but it is plenty strong enough to make any throw necessary.

[BigO]

1 hour ago, long suffering jets fan said:

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[Untouchable]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

Everything here aside from Size is what Mayfield possesses. Mayfield doesn’t have a “huge arm” but it is plenty strong enough to make any throw necessary.

Yeah, and that size thing is a pretty big deal.

There are currently 3 starting QB’s in the league who are 6’1 or shorter.

Russell Wilson, Drew Brees and...wait for it...Case Keenum.

Then let’s go and look back at how many 6’1 or shorter QB’s were even remotely successful in the NFL over the last 30 years...

Who are they? Mike Vick and Doug Flutie?

I’m not saying it’s impossible for Mayfield to be a quality NFL QB, but the odds aren’t exactly in his favor.

And I’d certainly take Darnold over him. Rosen as well even though his injury history and thin frame scare me.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, Untouchable said:

Yeah, and that size thing is a pretty big deal.

There are currently 3 starting QB’s in the league who are 6’1 or shorter.

Russell Wilson, Drew Brees and...wait for it...Case Keenum.

Then let’s go and look back at how many 6’1 or shorter QB’s were even remotely successful in the NFL over the last 30 years...

Who are they? Mike Vick and Doug Flutie?

I’m not saying it’s impossible for Mayfield to be a quality NFL QB, but the odds aren’t exactly in his favor.

And I’d certainly take Darnold over him. Rosen as well even though his injury history and thin frame scare me.

Idk man. I guess we just have different levels of concern for things like size.

[flgreen]

How Josh Allen, top QB prospects might fit with Jets' new offensive scheme

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Our New York Jets question of the week is a good one because it focuses on the team's biggest storyline -- quarterback -- and how coaches/system could impact their draft decision.

@RichCimini: Callahan would've been a great hire for the Jets, but he accepted a position to become the Oakland Raiders' quarterbacks coach under Jon Gruden, the Tennessean reported on Friday.

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That didn't shock anyone because Callahan's father, Bill, a well-respected offensive-line coach, worked with Gruden previously in Oakland. For the Jets' sake, it's too bad because Brian is considered one of the bright, young offensive coaches in the league. He spent the last two seasons as the quarterbacks coach in Detroit, where he did fantastic work with Matthew Stafford. I've spoken to several people about Callahan, and I've heard nothing but good things.

As for Bates' system, the hunch is he will install the Mike Shanahan system that he learned while working under Shanahan from 2006 to 2008 with the Denver Broncos. Bates took that system with him to the Seattle Seahawks in 2010, his one and only season as an NFL coordinator.

Because it's a West Coast-style system, it puts a premium on accuracy. That could be an issue for Josh Allen, who was only a 56 percent career passer at Wyoming. Based on the reports out of the Senior Bowl, he struggled early in the week with his accuracy, improving as the week progressed.

Sam Darnold (65 percent) and Baker Mayfield (69 percent) also would be good fits from an accuracy standpoint. Darnold played in a pro-style offense at USC, which would help his transition.

The West Coast/Shanahan system also calls for the quarterback to throw on the run, as it incorporates rollout plays and play-action bootlegs. Of the top four quarterback prospects, Darnold and Mayfield have a best combination of mobility and accuracy. At 6-foot-5, Allen is a fantastic athlete, but he has footwork issues that affect his ability to throw accurately on the move. Josh Rosen (61 percent) has more arm talent than the other three, but he's a pure pocket passer.

Ultimately, I don't think the Jets will base their evaluations on scheme fit. It'll be part of the equation, for sure, but it would be a mistake to make a franchise-altering decision on such a narrow parameter. A good coaching staff would pick the best quarterback and tailor the system to fit him, not the other way around.

[rangerous]

3 hours ago, freestater said:

Brutal dictator of either Haiti or Dominican Republic. Can't remember which...but I've already done some bong hits.

haiti.  he's living in splendor in france.

[Philc1]

Mayfield is a Manziel cocktail with a splash of Mark Sanchez

[detectivekimble]

4 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Neither, Russell Wilson. He is a “pass first/elude the rush with mobility only when necessary” type of QB. He has great accuracy and is a born winner and he has the intangibles and quick processor to pick up on playbooks and defensive schemes..all traits which favor Wilson as well. His personality is a more fiery than a more quite Russell Wilson .. but that is actually better in my personal opinion. He is more Russell Wilson than any other player.

No way.  Wilson is a lot more athletic and has a better arm.

[Patriot Killa]

4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Mayfield is a Manziel cocktail with a splash of Mark Sanchez

And Phil, you are like a Clorox cocktail with a splash of anti-freeze.

[Patriot Killa]

4 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

No way.  Wilson is a lot more athletic and has a better arm.

To each his own. I don’t agree.