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https://www.google.com/amp/profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/29/mike-shanahan-thinks-jets-offense-will-impress-in-2018/amp/

The Jets aren’t sure who their quarterback will be during the 2018 season, but that’s not going to stop Mike Shanahan from offering sunny predictions about how the team’s offense will fare.

Shanahan’s optimism about the future is tied to his close ties to the offensive coaching staff. The Jets are expected to name Jeremy Bates, who spent three years working for Shanahan in Denver, as their offensive coordinator and Rick Dennison, a longtime Shanahan assistant, as their run game coordinator. Jets wide receivers coach Karl Dorrell spent three years working for Shanahan as well.

“We were pretty successful in both the running game and the passing game,” Shanahan told Manish Mehta the New York Daily News. “I’m sure Jeremy and Rick will incorporate some of those points. Rick Dennison is one of the brightest guys you’ll ever meet. Jeremy is the same way. I know Karl DorrelI know quite well too. So, you got three excellent coaches that I know personally. I think you guys will be very impressed with what your offense looks like this year.”

Bates called plays for the Broncos in 2008 and they finished second in the league in yards. Bates and Shanahan both moved on after that season with Shanahan saying he felt Bates “was ahead of his time” by reaching that point when he was 32 years old. The Jets will hope that early success is a sign of what’s to come, although the team will still need to ensure the right pieces are in place to execute Bates’ scheme.

 

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Speaking of Shanahan:

You could see that Kirk had the ability to learn any type of offense you wanted to run,” Shanahan said in a phone interview ahead of the Broncos’ game at Washington. “You just look at the intangibles of somebody over a couple of years, being with somebody you get a good feel if that guy has the ability to get to the next level. I was positive at that time that he was going to get to the next level.”

Work ethic is a big key,” Shanahan explained. “Does he really love football? How does he process things? What’s his mental makeup? Is he a guy that’s shooting for perfection all the time? Or is he a guy that may be talented but doesn’t have the little things that are going to separate him from the rest of the pack?

“You could see very quickly that he processed football as fast as anybody I’ve ever been with. What I mean by that, is he had the innate ability in the running game, passing game to really try to understand the game inside and out and then once you get on the field, you’re able to process things and make decisions very quickly — read defenses, react to the pocket, being able to slide, understanding the blitz, when to throw the ball away, when to throw to the hot receiver — are all the things that the great quarterbacks have.”

 

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/22/mike-shanahan-kirk-cousins-nfl-quarterbacks/

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2 minutes ago, flgreen said:

What a surprise.  Shanahan thinks his system, run by coaches he trained will be good.  :)

Well, Shanahan's coaching tree includes the likes of Sean Mcvay and, of course, Kyle Shanahan. Pretty well respected offensive minds. 

Bates did have one run as an OC but that was with Seattle before Wilson and with Hasselback who's number 1 WR was the draft bust Mike Williams who was out of the league shortly thereafter. 

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https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/jets/mike-shanahan-explains-jeremy-bates-destined-success-article-1.3786063

Mike Shanahan opens up to Daily News about former pupil Jeremy Bates: ‘Jeremy was ahead of his time’ 

It didn’t take long for Mike Shanahan to realize that the young kid on his staff could be special.

He had a natural curiosity for the game, asked smart questions and had an understanding reserved for much older coaches.

Shanahan, the two-time Super Bowl winning head coach, knew that Jeremy Bates was ready to take a monumental step at age 32. So, one of the brightest offensive minds of this generation entrusted one of his best pupils to call offensive plays for the Broncos in 2008.

Before Bates, the presumptive next Jets offensive coordinator, officially takes over for Gang Green, Shanahan shared exactly why he’s destined for success.

Jeremy was a guy that was ahead of his time,” Shanahan told the Daily News on Monday. “He’s an extremely bright guy. That’s one of the reasons why he called plays. I knew he could handle it. When you’re around coaches, you know who has the ability to call plays and who doesn’t. And it doesn’t take you long to figure it out… especially when you’ve called plays your whole life. Which people understand defenses? Which people understand the running game? Which people understand how the running game and play action are put together? Which people understand third downs?”

Bates was in tune with all of it when Shanahan gave him his big break. Bates’ offense finished second in the league in total yards, yards per play and third-down percentage in 2008. He helped Jay Cutler to his lone Pro Bowl appearance. He was a schematic whiz, a guy who could talk football from sunrise to sunset if you let him.

In some ways, Bates was Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan before Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan.

Mike Shanahan knew early on that Bates had all the elements of being a successful play-caller. In this line of work, you can’t B.S. someone like Shanahan. He can tell if you don’t have the goods.

“You find out very quickly if people got a feel for calling plays,” Shanahan said. “And then you see on gameday if people can perform under pressure very quickly. Some people are natural at it. Some people freeze. He was very good at it at a young age.”

Bates, whose father, Jim, coached in college and the NFL for five decades, had a maniacal work ethic.

Jeremy Bates loved football. His desire to learn the intricacies of the game fueled him. He studied everything all the time.

His intellect was his greatest strength, but something needed to change. Several of Bates’ colleagues at various stops told me that his football I.Q. was never in doubt. He could scheme with the best of them, but perhaps he needed to soften his edges to get the best out of his players.

“He was a young guy, but he was a perfectionist,” Shanahan said. “I don’t mind people that are perfectionists that work extremely hard. I have a problem with the other people. So, if you give me Jeremy Bateses all the time, I have no problem. Maybe some people couldn’t get along with Jeremy because his expectations were so high and he worked so hard.

“To be good at anything you do, you have to have that mindset,” Shanahan continued. “I think where maturity comes in is when you realize that not everybody is like that… like you are. And you got to get the most out of people regardless of what they’re like. That’s where the maturity comes in when you get older. I think that happens to everybody.”

Bates, who helped with the Jets game-planning this season, is still the same beautiful football mind that he’s always been, but a four-year hiatus from the sport that include a solidary five-month, 2,900-mile hike Continental Divide Trail from Mexico to Canada helped him gain perspective.

His love for the game is stronger than ever. He's still sharp and hungry to learn.

He’s a natural leader,” Shanahan said. “He’s extremely bright and a tireless worker. When you got a leader, who’s a tireless worker, you got a chance for good things to happen. He’s a guy who’s going to study the game constantly. He’s going to see what other people are doing and try to incorporate some of the better things that people are doing within his own system. So, he won’t only be constantly studying his system, but other people’s systems to see if he can add to it. That’s usually a sign that you’re going to have a good offense.”

Talk to anyone who’s spent any time with Bates. The details matter. His desire to absorb every facet of the game differentiates him from some others.

“To be a good play caller, you really have to understand defenses,” Shanahan said. “You have to be a student of the game. You have to know defenses better than defensive coaches do. So, when you’re on the offensive side of the ball, you have to know fronts, you have to know secondary coverages, linebacker drops, different stunts. You have to really know it all to be a really effective guy. Sometimes guys get better with age too. There’s a learning process. It’s like playing a game of chess. The more you play it, the better you get it. But you better be studying it all the time.”

Shanahan’s imprint might be all over the 2018 Jets offense. Bates isn’t the only member of Todd Bowles’ staff to be impacted by Shanahan. Wide receivers coach Karl Dorrell spent three seasons in Denver working with him. Rick Dennison, who the Jets would like to be the offensive line coach/run game coordinator, was with Shanahan during entire 14-year run in Denver that yielded two Lombardi Trophies and seven playoff appearances.

“We were pretty successful in both the running game and the passing game (in Denver),” Shanahan said. “I’m sure Jeremy and Rick will incorporate some of those points. Rick Dennison is one of the brightest guys you’ll ever meet. Jeremy is the same way. I know Karl DorrelI know quite well too. So, you got three excellent coaches that I know personally. I think you guys will be very impressed with what your offense looks like this year.”

Bates is the right man to lead it.

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11 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Well, Shanahan's coaching tree includes the likes of Sean Mcvay and, of course, Kyle Shanahan. Pretty well respected offensive minds. 

Bates did have one run as an OC but that was with Seattle before Wilson and with Hasselback who's number 1 WR was the draft bust Mike Williams who was out of the league shortly thereafter. 

Oh don't get me wrong, IMO if the Jets sign Cousins,  some OL, and draft a RB, the O will be very improved.

 

It's just kind of funny asking the creator of an offensive system if it's any good

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35 minutes ago, peebag said:

Are we going to be using the 2nd coming of John Elway and Terrell Davis?

 

then no.

Didn't have them in 2008 when Bates/Dennison were there preparing the gameplans and calling the plays...Doesn't mean this will translate to 2018 but let's see 

KEY NOTES FROM THE BRONCOS’ 2008 SEASON

* - The Broncos ranked second in the NFL offensively (395.8 ypg.) and totaled the second-most yards (6,333) for a season in club annals.

* - QB Jay Cutler and WR Brandon Marshall (starter) earned the first Pro Bowl selections of their careers.

* - Cutler’s 4,526 passing yards were a franchise single-season record and led the AFC (3rd in NFL)—A third-year pro, Cutler became just the third player in league history to reach the 4,500-yard passing mark with three years’ experience or less.

* - Marshall’s 104 catches (1,265 yds., 6 TDs) were the third highest total in the NFL and represented the second-best season mark in club history— he joined Rod Smith (2000-01) as one of two Broncos in team annals with consecutive 100-catch seasons.

* - The Broncos’ 2008 rookie class featured 13 players (9 draft picks, 4 college free agents) who combined to play in 153 games with 56 starts at 10 different positions.

 Royal posted an NFL rookie-best 1,829 combined yards that ranked sixth among all players—He had five plays of at least 50 yards for the season (2 rec., 2 KR and 1 rush)... Tony Scheffler led all NFL tight ends in yards per reception average with a 16.1 mark (40-645) that was the best season figure ever by a Denver TE... The Broncos totaled the second-most yards (6,333) for a season in club history and were second in the NFL in yards per game (395.8)... Despite having to place seven running backs on injured reserve, the Broncos were third in the league in yards per rush (4.8)... Denver’s seven running backs on IR tie for the most players in a position group put on IR by an NFL team in a season since 2004... On third downs, the Broncos were third in the league with a 47.5 percent success rate (2nd best in team history)

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-2008-Year-In-Review/d22d8657-7892-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9

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11 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Let me get this right... Folks are making fun of Mike Shanahan who was an excellent HC and a potentially HOF level resume why?

Because he actually said something nice about his former coaches and the Jets offense.....

Ok........

No we are making fun of him because he like almost all national media and such really do not know the New York Jets.  He likes the coaches great, we get told how great all coaches are when they come here.  Chucky and Payton loved morton if i am not mistaken.

Bring in the 2nd coming of Bill Walsh and hand him our offense as is talent wise and Bowles would fire him after a year due to lack of performance.

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38 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Shanny, who never won a thing without John Elway.

And who is shilling for his tree. Yeah, ok.

Um, the guy went 13-3 with Jake Plummer (33-15 over 3 seasons) and beat the Pats in the playoffs.  11-5 with Brian Griese.  His teams were #1 in offense more often than they were out of the top 1/2. It doesn't make what he is saying any truer, but c'mon. 

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30 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Let me get this right... Folks are making fun of Mike Shanahan who was an excellent HC and a potentially HOF level resume why?

Because he actually said something nice about his former coaches and the Jets offense.....

Ok........

Yes. Pretty much it. Truth is Im glad he is optimistic his coaches will run his system well here I just hope we get a few players to help them along the way. Our roster on offense is a dumpster fire.

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18 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Um, the guy went 13-3 with Jake Plummer (33-15 over 3 seasons) and beat the Pats in the playoffs.  11-5 with Brian Griese.  His teams were #1 in offense more often than they were out of the top 1/2. It doesn't make what he is saying any truer, but c'mon. 

This was my point above. Why in the world are we making fun of a HOF level coach who knows more football than all of us combined; and we are only doing so cause Bowles is making the change. 

Our offense has been passable except for Fitz last year. That is a reflection of the talent not these proposed new coaches 

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2 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

This was my point above. Why in the world are we making fun of a HOF level coach who knows more football than all of us combined; and we are only doing so cause Bowles is making the change. 

Our offense has been passable except for Fitz last year. That is a reflection of the talent not these proposed new coaches 

Usually I just make fun of people based on how they look. 

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53 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Didn't have them in 2008 when Bates/Dennison were there preparing the gameplans and calling the plays...Doesn't mean this will translate to 2018 but let's see 

KEY NOTES FROM THE BRONCOS’ 2008 SEASON

* - The Broncos ranked second in the NFL offensively (395.8 ypg.) and totaled the second-most yards (6,333) for a season in club annals.

* - QB Jay Cutler and WR Brandon Marshall (starter) earned the first Pro Bowl selections of their careers.

* - Cutler’s 4,526 passing yards were a franchise single-season record and led the AFC (3rd in NFL)—A third-year pro, Cutler became just the third player in league history to reach the 4,500-yard passing mark with three years’ experience or less.

* - Marshall’s 104 catches (1,265 yds., 6 TDs) were the third highest total in the NFL and represented the second-best season mark in club history— he joined Rod Smith (2000-01) as one of two Broncos in team annals with consecutive 100-catch seasons.

* - The Broncos’ 2008 rookie class featured 13 players (9 draft picks, 4 college free agents) who combined to play in 153 games with 56 starts at 10 different positions.

 Royal posted an NFL rookie-best 1,829 combined yards that ranked sixth among all players—He had five plays of at least 50 yards for the season (2 rec., 2 KR and 1 rush)... Tony Scheffler led all NFL tight ends in yards per reception average with a 16.1 mark (40-645) that was the best season figure ever by a Denver TE... The Broncos totaled the second-most yards (6,333) for a season in club history and were second in the NFL in yards per game (395.8)... Despite having to place seven running backs on injured reserve, the Broncos were third in the league in yards per rush (4.8)... Denver’s seven running backs on IR tie for the most players in a position group put on IR by an NFL team in a season since 2004... On third downs, the Broncos were third in the league with a 47.5 percent success rate (2nd best in team history)

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-2008-Year-In-Review/d22d8657-7892-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9

 But are we gonna be using the second coming of Cutler and Marshall?

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2 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

Pretty simple to improve, add new QB, beef up line and add RB in second round. Improved overnight. 

I agree.  They can go 1 of 2 ways... Sign Cousins... sign Ryan Jensen and Weston Richburg... draft Ronald Jones with our 1st of two 2nd round picks.  

Or for you guys who aren't a fan of signing Cousins you could draft our QB at 6... still sign Ryan Jensen and Weston Richburg and still draft any of the numerous really good RB's with our top 2nd round pick.

Either way they go I feel like they must add two offensive lineman via FA.  Any two out of Ryan Jensen, Weston Richburg or Andrew Norwell will be magnificent.  And with the number of talented RBs in this draft I see no reason why we couldn't snag one with one of our two 2nd round picks.  I'm hoping we fill as many holes via FA but I really hope they draft an RB in the 2nd round.  It'll be a good one whether it be Michel, Chubb, Guice, Jones, Johnson etc...

This offense could be steadily improved.  We must add a new starting Center and a starting Guard.  Only guard I'm drafting is either Nelson who's in play only if we sign Cousins or a Billy Price or a Frank Ragnow..  Either way I'm totally pumped about this upcoming FA and Draft

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2 hours ago, C Mart said:

Didn't have them in 2008 when Bates/Dennison were there preparing the gameplans and calling the plays...Doesn't mean this will translate to 2018 but let's see 

KEY NOTES FROM THE BRONCOS’ 2008 SEASON

* - The Broncos ranked second in the NFL offensively (395.8 ypg.) and totaled the second-most yards (6,333) for a season in club annals.

* - QB Jay Cutler and WR Brandon Marshall (starter) earned the first Pro Bowl selections of their careers.

* - Cutler’s 4,526 passing yards were a franchise single-season record and led the AFC (3rd in NFL)—A third-year pro, Cutler became just the third player in league history to reach the 4,500-yard passing mark with three years’ experience or less.

* - Marshall’s 104 catches (1,265 yds., 6 TDs) were the third highest total in the NFL and represented the second-best season mark in club history— he joined Rod Smith (2000-01) as one of two Broncos in team annals with consecutive 100-catch seasons.

* - The Broncos’ 2008 rookie class featured 13 players (9 draft picks, 4 college free agents) who combined to play in 153 games with 56 starts at 10 different positions.

 Royal posted an NFL rookie-best 1,829 combined yards that ranked sixth among all players—He had five plays of at least 50 yards for the season (2 rec., 2 KR and 1 rush)... Tony Scheffler led all NFL tight ends in yards per reception average with a 16.1 mark (40-645) that was the best season figure ever by a Denver TE... The Broncos totaled the second-most yards (6,333) for a season in club history and were second in the NFL in yards per game (395.8)... Despite having to place seven running backs on injured reserve, the Broncos were third in the league in yards per rush (4.8)... Denver’s seven running backs on IR tie for the most players in a position group put on IR by an NFL team in a season since 2004... On third downs, the Broncos were third in the league with a 47.5 percent success rate (2nd best in team history)

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Broncos-2008-Year-In-Review/d22d8657-7892-11df-ba56-acc8e62813e9

we saw a similar thing with fitz and marshall in 2015.  marshall played extremely well and fitzy had a career year.  the unsung heroes of that season wee decker and enunwa because they made it possible for marshall to get into single coverage.  so if bates/dennison get a decent qb to go with a well balanced receiving corp maybe the jets do pretty well.

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Offense in 2018:

QB

OL

Starting RB with passing game skills

TE 

Outside WR, Slot

Complimentary RB/s

Can argue the Jets have the last two down and at least two spots (the most expensive two at that) covered on the OL 

6 players with say $95 million to spend and a draft. Get it done, McGM! 

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