JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Betonline released odds for which team will land Cousins: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I don’t know how the hell the Cardinals have better odds. I’m pretty sure they’re one of the bottom 5 teams in terms of cap space available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crimson King Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Browns or Broncos signing him could let a QB slip to 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I don’t know how the hell the Cardinals have better odds. I’m pretty sure they’re one of the bottom 5 teams in terms of cap space available. They don't have better odds. They are +700, we are +225. For whatever reason, the online sportsbook had the Cards listed ahead of us (perhaps they were bigger favorites at some point in the past). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I don’t know how the hell the Cardinals have better odds. I’m pretty sure they’re one of the bottom 5 teams in terms of cap space available. I think bc Palmer is retiring and that's 20MM? They also have over 100MM 2019 etc Fitzgerald is also 16mm in 2017. Not sure details though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Yeah Fitzgerald is on his last year with 0 guaranteed so that's 16mm, not sure what happens due to retirement but adding Palmer's 20mm, his cap charge is actually 24mm, that's up towards over 40-45mm in space. If they wanted to go after Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I don’t know how the hell the Cardinals have better odds. I’m pretty sure they’re one of the bottom 5 teams in terms of cap space available. + 700 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 13 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I don’t know how the hell the Cardinals have better odds. I’m pretty sure they’re one of the bottom 5 teams in terms of cap space available. Arizona is a more desirable location than New York in terms of weather, divisional competition, etc.. Also, they have more talent then we do (David Johnson, Fitz, better O-line & better D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said: Arizona is a more desirable location than New York in terms of weather, divisional competition, etc.. Also, they have more talent then we do (David Johnson, Fitz, better O-line & better D). Fitz still hasn’t even decided whether he’s retiring or not as far as I know and their OL really isn’t very good at all. David Johnson and a slightly better defense? Sure, I’ll give you that. But it’s not as if the Jets are going to be fielding the same team as last year but with Cousins at the helm. Even after making Cousins the highest paid QB in the league, the Jets would still have a sh*tload of money left over and 3 picks in the Top 50 alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Second best odds behind Denver? That makes sense to me. It will really come down to how badly we actually want him, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Guys, the Jets are listed as +225 and the Cardinals are listed as +700. (i.e. we have the better odds according to betonline) No idea why they listed the teams in the order that they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Untouchable said: But it’s not as if the Jets are going to be fielding the same team as last year but with Cousins at the helm. Even after making Cousins the highest paid QB in the league, the Jets would still have a sh*tload of money left over and 3 picks in the Top 50 alone. I agree with this, but that's a hard selling point. "Look what we could surround you with" doesn't sound as good as "look what we got". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 He's coming to the Jets - I thiink we can start the conversation of who we're taking at 6. All but assured a top 3 position player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Denver has a better team, more difficult division, who is the OC? I think that will play a factor and it sounds like Bates would give the Jets an advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 WTF was Washington thinking? So are we to believe Alex Smith is a better QB than Cousins? I am not a fan of either, but I would prefer Cousins to Smith myself. I have never been impressed with either TBH. I just hope we don't royally F this up, give a mediocre to decent QB 30+ million dollars, and not draft a young QB if he is there at 6. That would be a HUGE mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Denver has a better team, more difficult division, who is the OC? I think that will play a factor and it sounds like Bates would give the Jets an advantage Denver has the better team to win now. Jets have more money and the system he's comfortable in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, ASH1962 said: WTF was Washington thinking? So are we to believe Alex Smith is a better QB than Cousins? I am not a fan of either, but I would prefer Cousins to Smith myself. I have never been impressed with either TBH. I just hope we don't royally F this up, give a mediocre to decent QB 30+ million dollars, and not draft a young QB if he is there at 6. That would be a HUGE mistake What is the going rate for QBs now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: What is the going rate for QBs now? According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Carr and the Raiders agreed to terms on a five-year extension worth $125 million, which would make him the highest-paid player in league history. Tom Pelissero of USA Today reported Carr's deal includes $70 million in guarantees with $40 million guaranteed at signing. He now currently eclipses Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who averages nearly $24.6 million annually, per Spotrac. So going rate is around $25-27m per year with inflation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Carr and the Raiders agreed to terms on a five-year extension worth $125 million, which would make him the highest-paid player in league history. Tom Pelissero of USA Today reported Carr's deal includes $70 million in guarantees with $40 million guaranteed at signing. He now currently eclipses Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who averages nearly $24.6 million annually, per Spotrac. So going rate is around 25-26m per year with inflation? Ok. Denver currently is projected to have 23m in cap space. So they would need to be creative with guaranteed money or release some players in order to get that deal done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Untouchable said: I don’t know how the hell the Cardinals have better odds. I’m pretty sure they’re one of the bottom 5 teams in terms of cap space available. I think it’s because Arizona is really nice and New Jersey is a toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The best odds go to whoever offers him the longest contract and the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 56 minutes ago, RichardTodd27 said: Arizona is a more desirable location than New York in terms of weather, divisional competition, etc.. Also, they have more talent then we do (David Johnson, Fitz, better O-line & better D). I don't know about that. Obviously the Pats are a nightmare as long as Brady and Belichick are around but the Dolphins and Bills suck. The Rams, Seahawks, and Garrapolo/Shanahan 49ers could be much scarier long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Ok. Denver currently is projected to have 23m in cap space. So they would need to be creative with guaranteed money or release some players in order to get that deal done. good point, I did not realize they were that close to the cap - cutting players does not usually help a team get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think it’s because Arizona is really nice and New Jersey is a toilet. I resent that-especially coming from a Steeler fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 If the Jets really want him they can offer him the most- it would his choice then to go for a lower offer guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 47 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: What is the going rate for QBs now? From overthecap.com. Shows average per year but also the guaranteed (total/peryear/precentage of contract) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Az — fitz on verge of retirement. Matthieu a FA now. D Johnson a FA Next year. They have jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: What is the going rate for QBs now? Spotrac article on Cousins' value: http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/analyzing-a-value-top-destinations-for-kirk-cousins-678/ HOW MUCH IS KIRK COUSINS WORTH? This loaded question comes with a pretty easy answer: However much a team wants to spend. How much does he value at is a different story. At season's end, Cousins held a calculalted market value of nearly $26M, nearly $6M more than his value stood at 2 years ago. But free agents at ANY position always reel in more than value based on the nature of supply/demand. To have a viable, experienced QB1 available on the open market is rare, and won't come with any discounts, especially as Cousins has maxed out his salaries in each of the past two seasons. Over the past few seasons, top QB contracts have reflected a little over 16% of the league cap (Stafford, $27M/$167M). Using this math, and assuming a $178M league cap, Kirk Cousins’ contract should fall in around $28.6M per year. But the salary cap space for the teams listed below comes in all sorts of shapes and sizes. Why does this matter? Teams like the Browns and Jets can offer heavily front-loaded contracts to Cousins, including big boy signing bonuses, roster bonuses in the first two seasons, and escalated base salaries to go with them. The highest Year 1 payment for any player is Matthew Stafford's $51M in 2017, who is set to reel in $67M through 2018, and $87M through 2019 - to go along with $92M in total guarantees. All of these numbers should be considered in-play when talking about Kirk Cousins next contract. CLEVELAND BROWNS The Browns stroll into 2018 with more than $110M in projected cap space at their disposal. They also hold the #1 & #4 selections in the upcoming draft thanks to a trade and an 0-16 season. The re-emergence of Josh Gordon paired with Corey Coleman plus a stout offensive line, and an improving defense adds plenty of hope to the Browns short-term future. Installing Cousins’ would allow Cleveland to immediately fill other needs and/or trade for more future assets as well. They’ll need to ramp up their guaranteed money offer - and front load the heck out of the deal to woo Cousins their way, but it’s doable. NEW YORK JETS The Jets hold around $80M in cap space, plenty to lock in Cousins’ and continue to build out their team elsewhere. But unlike the Browns, the Jets still seem to be breaking apart their pieces rather than build back up. Granted their defense played much better than many expected, and Josh McCown held a sinking ship together well - all things considered. Cousins has connections to the Jets’ staff, and a move to NYC would certainly be good for his brand, but this seems like a tough match. DENVER BRONCOS After 5 straight winning seasons, the Broncos took a major step backwards in 2017, and appear poised to blowup their current QB arsenal (Paxton Lynch, Trevor Siemian). Unfortunately, moving on from Lynch would actually COST the Broncos almost $2M in cap. Denver holds about $29M in space, but should add $11M to that if/when they move on from CB Aqib Talib. Add in the fact that top WRs Demaryius Thomas & Emmanuel Sanders are on the roster bubble, and the Broncos aren’t exactly a great look for Cousins at the moment. ARIZONA CARDINALS Carson Palmer’s retirement appears to have been a surprise to nobody - except the Cardinals, who had plenty of opportunities to acquire and slowly groom their next QB1, but have failed to do so. They have zero QBs on their roster in 2018, and having missed out on Alex Smith, may be poised to use the #15 pick to find their next franchise leader. No team needs a “quick-fix” that Kirk Cousins can be more than the Cardinals, who have an elite running game, a hall of fame WR (whom they’re trying to keep from retirement), & a strong defense to boot. With around $27M in cap space, Arizona would need to get creative, and wouldn’t be able to front-load this contract in ways Cleveland or the Jets would. BUFFALO BILLS The Bills shocked plenty when they won 9 games & snuck into the postseason this season, which did little to help their draft assets in 2018. Buffalo holds the #21, #22, #53, & #56 picks this April, and are likely to move on from the up/down Tyrod Taylor in early March - a move that would clear $9.44M in cap. Without Taylor in the fold, Buffalo will have around $40M to play with come free agency, and don’t have a ton of in-house players that need re-signing. The Bills could throw all of their financial eggs into Cousins - or all of their draft eggs into a run up the draft board for one of the top available QBs. Either way they’re a team to watch next month. MINNESOTA VIKINGS The NFC runner-ups will have little time to enjoy their successes, as the offseason brings plenty of headaches for the franchise, none bigger than the expiring contracts of all three of their QBs. Case Keenum seems the most likely option to keep - but his career year statistically could award him a $20M/year contract, especially if he’s allowed to test the market. Sam Bradford is still the most talented QB in the fold, but his inability to stay on the field will likely keep many teams away, unless he’s willing to accept a 1 or 2 year, incentive-based “show me” deal. Teddy Bridgewater is a complete outlier. He was trending into an above average QB before his nasty injury, and still might have the tallest ceiling of this group, but it’s tough to imagine him finding a starting role anywhere in 2018 with the list of options. Cousins is the same age as Keenum, but offers more talent, upside, and production - at a much higher price. Luckily, Minnesota has north of $56M in projected cap space to work with, and could make a legitimate run at Cousins next month if they so desired. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS Like the Bills, Jacksonville overachieved in 2017, led by (at times) very strong QB play from Blake Bortles. His inconsistencies remain though, and the Jags have a $19M decision to make before March 14th, when his 2018 salary fully guarantees. Moving on from Bortles would give Jacksonville around $44M in cap space to work with, again similar to Buffalo. The AFC runner-ups appear ready to win now, and injecting Cousins into this lineup should be an immediate improvement. Our gut says Bortles plays out his final year and Cousins winds up elsewhere. NEW YORK GIANTS It’s no secret that the Giants underperformed in 2017, and now hold the #2 pick in this year’s draft because of it. While tensions with Eli Manning appear to have been ironed out per the new staff, it would still be good business for New York to at least consider trading their long-time QB this offseason. Eli represents a way for teams with not-so-much cap to “win now” (i.e. Arizona, Denver, even Jacksonville). He’d carry cap hits of $16M & $17M to his new team, leaving $12.4M in dead cap behind to the Giants ($9.8M savings). The move would raise New York’s cap space to around $30M, which puts them in the same boat as Denver in terms of structuring a contract for Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Buffalo and Minnesota offer playoff teams behind average at best QBs. Either team getting serious about Cousins would have a better pitch than the Jets. With the transition tag essentially off the table, cap space is no longer as big an issue. Denver could offer an $80M signing bonus prorated over 6 years ($13.3M/year cap hit) and low salaries in the first two years. Definitely affordable for them, and their lack of room could lead to more money upfront for Cousins. Everyone involved is going to try to get the deal done for about the same guaranteed money and same <$30M/year average salary. It's the team that can sell him that their situation is the best for him that's gonna win. This is where I doubt Maccagnan and the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, slats said: Buffalo and Minnesota offer playoff teams behind average at best QBs. Either team getting serious about Cousins would have a better pitch than the Jets. With the transition tag essentially off the table, cap space is no longer as big an issue. Denver could offer an $80M signing bonus prorated over 6 years ($13.3M/year cap hit) and low salaries in the first two years. Definitely affordable for them, and their lack of room could lead to more money upfront for Cousins. Everyone involved is going to try to get the deal done for about the same guaranteed money and same <$30M/year average salary. It's the team that can sell him that their situation is the best for him that's gonna win. This is where I doubt Maccagnan and the Jets. That would still majorly impact Denver's cap space. They would have 10m left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 At this point there are very few to no outcomes that are doomsday scenarios for the Jets Browns get him: Picks 1 & 4 go on the market Broncos get him: Pick 5 goes on the market Vikings get him: Keenum, Bridgewater and/or Bradford go on the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The Denver Broncos may have gotten a close look at some of quarterbacks available in the NFL draft, but linebacker Von Miller wants the team to pony up for veteran Kirk Cousins. "I've talked to him before. He knows exactly how I feel ... and what he would mean to our team, and what he would mean to a lot of teams," Miller told "The Dan Patrick Show" on Wednesday. "We need Kirk. I would like to have Kirk. We have great quarterbacks now. Kirk could take us over the edge." Cousins threw for 4,093 yards and 27 touchdowns this season for the Washington Redskins, who acquired Alex Smith in a trade with the Kansas City Chiefs on Tuesday. Denver currently has quarterbacks Paxton Lynch, Trevor Siemian and Chad Kelly on the roster. The Broncos' staff coached the North team at the Senior Bowl, allowing them to work with Heisman Trophy winner Baker Mayfield of Oklahoma and Wyoming's Josh Allen. Team president and general manager John Elway said Denver would "dig into the free agency side of it" after the Super Bowl. The Broncos have the No. 5 overall pick in the draft. "That's the National Football League; there's a lot of teams that need Kirk," Miller told "The Dan Patrick Show." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: That would still majorly impact Denver's cap space. They would have 10m left. They have over $26M right now and gain another $11M just by cutting Talib. After that, they have players who they could restructure to make more room. It's not an issue if they really want Cousins, they can get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: At this point there are very few to no outcomes that are doomsday scenarios for the Jets Browns get him: Picks 1 & 4 go on the market Broncos get him: Pick 5 goes on the market Vikings get him: Keenum, Bridgewater and/or Bradford go on the market Maybe not Doomsday but Groundhogs day for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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