UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 The general perception of the roster is that it is not very good. Which seems consistent with last year. The problem I have with this is that the general perception was that the roster was bad last year and they were projected to win 0-2 games. And they overachieved that projection. So what I’m trying to understand is that if the media underestimated the roster last year, are they going to the well again with the same thing? It just seems weird. Like the people say the Jets have a lot of holes. Well you said the same thing last year., and they did better than you thought they would. Did this Robby Anderson thing really impact the perception of the roster that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 We didn't do better then most of us thought. We sucked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, LockeJET said: We didn't do better then most of us thought. We sucked! WE sucked less than people thought we would. Why? Most people thought 0-2 wins. We got 5 with many close losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Who gives a sh-t what people on this board say. Most are lunatics and ill informed. The roster is fine and will improve pretty dramatically over the course of the next 3 months. Go watch Family Fued or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Because we started McCown over Petty and Hack. Otherwise we wouldn't have won more than 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, LockeJET said: Because we started McCown over Petty and Hack. Otherwise we wouldn't have won more than 2 games. No that doesnt make sense. Most people believed McCown would start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Pac said: Who gives a sh-t what people on this board say. Most are lunatics and ill informed. The roster is fine and will improve pretty dramatically over the course of the next 3 months. Go watch Family Fued or something. Respectfully disagree. Agree that it will improve but right now, it is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, nycdan said: Respectfully disagree. Agree that it will improve but right now, it is horrible. And I'm not saying that it is great. But it just seems to me that people underestimated the roster last year, and they seem to be doing it again a bit. And the reason that I am harping on perception is that perception is important. Bowles having a job right now I believe is due to perception Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The general perception of the roster is that it is not very good. Which seems consistent with last year. The problem I have with this is that the general perception was that the roster was bad last year and they were projected to win 0-2 games. And they overachieved that projection. So what I’m trying to understand is that if the media underestimated the roster last year, are they going to the well again with the same thing? It just seems weird. Like the people say the Jets have a lot of holes. Well you said the same thing last year., and they did better than you thought they would. Did this Robby Anderson thing really impact the perception of the roster that much? There is only 1 reason why we won more than 2 games. Josh McCown. So it wasn’t really anyone else who overachieved on O. We knew Robbie was a talent if we had a qb who could get him the ball. So let’s not give anyone else credit. We saw how bad this team was with petty. We would have been lucky to win 2 games with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said: There is only 1 reason why we won more than 2 games. Josh McCown. So it wasn’t really anyone else who overachieved on O. We knew Robbie was a talent if we had a qb who could get him the ball. So let’s not give anyone else credit. We saw how bad this team was with petty. We would have been lucky to win 2 games with him. OK so if Josh McCown could do that with this group, why do people think Kirk Cousins can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: No that doesnt make sense. Most people believed McCown would start Not exactly. Most believed he would “edge out “ petty. No one thought he was the clear starter going into training camp. Bowles and Mac hoped petty or hackenberg could beat him out. Or eventually would get the nod when we were 0 and whatever. But McCown did a lot better than expected, Bowles didn’t want to pull him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: OK so if Josh McCown could do that with this group, why do people think Kirk Cousins can't? Who said he couldn’t ? Kirk cousins is not tom Brady though. We would not have won more than 7 games this yr with cousins. That is even a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: Who said he couldn’t ? Kirk cousins is not tom Brady though. We would not have won more than 7 games this yr with cousins. That is even a stretch. Ooh I dont know about that. Remember a few of their losses came down to McCown and the offense imploding in the 4th quarter. I think if Cousins was their QB this year they get at least 8 wins. I think in addition to the wins they got, they also would get 1. The second Miami game 2. The Los Angeles game 3. The Carolina game. 4, The Atlanta game (iffiest of them) Remember 9 wins got to the playoffs this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: Ooh I dont know about that. Remember a few of their losses came down to McCown and the offense imploding in the 4th quarter. I think if Cousins was their QB this year they get at least 8 wins. I think in addition to the wins they got, they also would get 1. The second Miami game 2. The Los Angeles game 3. The Carolina game. 4, The Atlanta game (iffiest of them) Remember 9 wins got to the playoffs this year You are thinking like a homer. The only reason why we were in many games was because McCown played well. Kirk cousins is not a great qb. He is above average. McCown actually finished with a better QBR than cousins. Close 1. There are games we won because McCown played very well, that we could have lost with cousins. He played god awful last game of season against the giants. McCown easily wins that game agianst the giants had played for skins. The red skins are a better team than the jets. And cousins only got them 7 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 1, 2018 Author Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said: You are thinking like a homer. The only reason why we were in many games was because McCown played well. Kirk cousins is not a great qb. He is above average. McCown actually finished with a better QBR than cousins. Close 1. There are games we won because McCown played very well, that we could have lost with cousins. He played god awful last game of season against the giants. McCown easily wins that game agianst the giants had played for skins. The red skins are a better team than the jets. And cousins only got them 7 wins. McCown did play well. But could Cousins, is arguably a more talented QB than McCown, play better than McCown did. Washington last year was banged up a lot, especially on the OL. PLus of course the relationship between Cousins and the franchise was not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 the bottom line is if you're not first you're last. we can talk all we want about woulda, coulda, shoulda, but in the end they dinna. right now the roster is not terrible. they need some serious upgrade at certain positions and they really need a couple of players that the other team dc's and oc's have to scheme for. they don't have anyone who actually scares the other team on offense or defense. cousins would only be one part of that issue. can't say he really scares the other dc's anymore than mccown but pair him with an improved anderson or healthy enunwa or a really good receiver prospect and the combination could work out pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 This team is bad at basically every position that really matters in the NFL. Other than that, everything's roses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 56 minutes ago, Jetsplayer21 said: There is only 1 reason why we won more than 2 games. Josh McCown. So it wasn’t really anyone else who overachieved on O. We knew Robbie was a talent if we had a qb who could get him the ball. So let’s not give anyone else credit. We saw how bad this team was with petty. We would have been lucky to win 2 games with him. Shut up...please. Josh McCown won 2 f*cking games with the Browns in 2 years! TWO! Oh, I get it, McCown got better at age 39 with the Jets, he just finally f*cking figured out how to play QB! Go away, f*cking morons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetster said: Shut up...please. Josh McCown won 2 f*cking games with the Browns in 2 years! TWO! Oh, I get it, McCown got better at age 39 with the Jets, he just finally f*cking figured out how to play QB! Go away, f*cking morons! Lol take it easy there little man. Did you actual watch the jets? Are you crediting the great line for jets success ? He was 38 all yr btw. And ya it wasn’t expected. Sometimes things happen that way. Some idiots are going to be ragging on cousins too when he doesn’t play as well as Tom Brady. That is what homers like you do. Ya the browns are god awful. They didn’t win 1 game without McCown did they ? Lol. They are the worst team in nfl. Jets were 2nd or 3rd going into last yr. but McCown pushed them back a few clicks. Can you imagine what he could have with a decent Oline and more than 1 above ave weapon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, Skeet Ulrich said: This team is bad at basically every position that really matters in the NFL. Other than that, everything's roses. This. And the quarterback of the Washington Redskins who just went through a painful few years there isn’t coming here. The Jets are the Redskins in green uniforms. If he wants that type of frustration he might as well leave his kids in the same schools and his wife at the same country club. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: WE sucked less than people thought we would. Why? Most people thought 0-2 wins. We got 5 with many close losses. Who ******* cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Hey, the perception is that this is a stupid ******* thread. Here is my horrible attempt at providing a contrarian hot take about it now, as if I’m the love child of a three way between Steven A.Smith, Skip Bayless, and Cousin Eddie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: The general perception of the roster is that it is not very good. Which seems consistent with last year. The problem I have with this is that the general perception was that the roster was bad last year and they were projected to win 0-2 games. And they overachieved that projection. So what I’m trying to understand is that if the media underestimated the roster last year, are they going to the well again with the same thing? It just seems weird. Like the people say the Jets have a lot of holes. Well you said the same thing last year., and they did better than you thought they would. Did this Robby Anderson thing really impact the perception of the roster that much? What roster? We haven’t drafted or hit fa yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Hey, the perception is that this is a stupid ******* thread. Here is my horrible attempt at providing a contrarian hot take about it now, as if I’m the love child of a three way between Steven A.Smith, Skip Bayless, and Cousin Eddie. Critics said the Jets were a 2 win roster, but we won 5 games, so in reality this is a 7 win team. Play your cards right and get a couple breaks and 7 wins gets you in the playoffs, and once you get in the playoffs anything can happen. Hell we’ve seen wild card teams win the Super Bowl this decade. When you think about it, the 2017 Jets won the Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Why dont we wait & see what we look like after free agency & the draft. That would PROBABLY be appropriate since we'll have over 100 million to spend & some nice high draft picks. It's like you guys see everything through the eye of a needle. Hey, guess what? I bet you Adams & Maye play even better in 2018 because they have more EXPERIENCE. Bill Parcells taught me this happens in the NFL. We have no idea how good Stewart, Hanson, Leggette will be? Because as Jet fans if every rookie doesn't make the pro bowl the draft was an abject failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: WE sucked less than people thought we would. Why? Most people thought 0-2 wins. We got 5 with many close losses. So sucking less is okay? They still sucked. The skill players sucked. The OL sucked. With the exception of a few the whole team sucked and YOU point to that as a positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 54 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Hey, the perception is that this is a stupid ******* thread. Here is my horrible attempt at providing a contrarian hot take about it now, as if I’m the love child of a three way between Steven A.Smith, Skip Bayless, and Cousin Eddie. I shudder to think what that may look like. Heres a try though: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said: You are thinking like a homer. The only reason why we were in many games was because McCown played well. Kirk cousins is not a great qb. He is above average. McCown actually finished with a better QBR than cousins. Close 1. There are games we won because McCown played very well, that we could have lost with cousins. He played god awful last game of season against the giants. McCown easily wins that game agianst the giants had played for skins. The red skins are a better team than the jets. And cousins only got them 7 wins. No, see the way this game is played is that you take all the wins they got before and simply add to them. Every good game - or even every not-horrible game - that McCown had it’s a given it’s the same or worse than his replacement would have. Football totally works that way, things always end up the way they seem on paper, and there are never upsets. Lost in all the prediction nonsense is that one of the biggest predictions wasn’t that McCown wouldn’t be the opening day starter, but rather that he wouldn’t last and stay upright through the end of September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: The general perception of the roster is that it is not very good. Which seems consistent with last year. The problem I have with this is that the general perception was that the roster was bad last year and they were projected to win 0-2 games. And they overachieved that projection. So what I’m trying to understand is that if the media underestimated the roster last year, are they going to the well again with the same thing? It just seems weird. Like the people say the Jets have a lot of holes. Well you said the same thing last year., and they did better than you thought they would. Did this Robby Anderson thing really impact the perception of the roster that much? Mangini won 10 games his first year with a sh*tty roster. Rex won 8 in 2013 with a sh*tty roster. Beating very low expectations doesn't make a roster less sh*tty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Has anyone on this board ever tried so hard and so unsuccessfully to make the same inane point, so frequently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: The general perception of the roster is that it is not very good. Which seems consistent with last year. The problem I have with this is that the general perception was that the roster was bad last year and they were projected to win 0-2 games. And they overachieved that projection. So what I’m trying to understand is that if the media underestimated the roster last year, are they going to the well again with the same thing? It just seems weird. Like the people say the Jets have a lot of holes. Well you said the same thing last year., and they did better than you thought they would. Did this Robby Anderson thing really impact the perception of the roster that much? This is the Pauly Shore Can Win An Oscar Argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If you want a circle jerk go to the giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, gEYno said: Has anyone on this board ever tried so hard and so unsuccessfully to make the same inane point, so frequently? What is the point he is trying to make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Maxman said: What is the point he is trying to make? It’s the fault of the fans that the Jets have this terrible team that actually isn’t terrible but the fans are still to blame. All the fans except him, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 23 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: It’s the fault of the fans that the Jets have this terrible team that actually isn’t terrible but the fans are still to blame. All the fans except him, of course. Oh still on that kick. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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