jetscrazey Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Benigno and Roberts were interviewing him on WFAN today. Roberts asked him point blank if there's anything he regretted about that game. Herm said flatly "wish I had a QB that could throw." He then said in the 3rd quarter Pennington's shoulder injury was re-aggravated and he couldn't throw more than 10 yards after that, which is why the play calling was so conservative. You could tell Herm wasn't happy to say this because he wanted to protect Chad, but I guess enough time had passed that he could fully come clean on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Been loved Chad just like every other person in the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, jetscrazey said: Benigno and Roberts were interviewing him on WFAN today. Roberts asked him point blank if there's anything he regretted about that game. Herm said flatly "wish I had a QB that could throw." He then said in the 3rd quarter Pennington's shoulder injury was re-aggravated and he couldn't throw more than 10 yards after that, which is why the play calling was so conservative. You could tell Herm wasn't happy to say this because he wanted to protect Chad, but I guess enough time had passed that he could fully come clean on the issue. I always thought Herm was just being so stupid and conservative because he was a huge scared wuss like Bowles likes to. Maybe should have pulled chad then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Was always sad Herman Edwards didn't work out. He seemed (at first) like the embodiment of what a player turned coach should be. That ASU AD was insane to fire Todd Graham though. Nobody wants to go to that dump in Tempe. Edwards will be out of a job within three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Jetsplayer21 said: I always thought Herm was just being so stupid and conservative because he was a huge scared wuss like Bowles likes to. Maybe should have pulled chad then. For who Quincy Carter, or Brooks Bollinger you think those guys could have gutted out 2 game winning FG attempts late in that game with 2 good arms like Chad did with 1 non throwing good arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Man I loved Chad but he threw ducks, I thought we had that game in the bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Herman Edwards and Chad Pennington, two pussies in a pod. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 It kind of makes me sick how much Chad love there is. The guy was a noodle arm who needed 13 play drives to get us a touchdown. He was good for about 1 of those per game. And against the better teams, it was probably 1 FG per game instead of 1 TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 he was accurate and mistake free. He was smart. That is ALL you can say for him. That is the definition of an average to below average QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, jack48 said: he was accurate and mistake free. He was smart. That is ALL you can say for him. That is the definition of an average to below average QB. Agreed. Though it shouldn't be that hard to be accurate and mistake-free when all you throw is 2 yard passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Brien's 47 field goal attempt hit the crossbar and fell short. But on the very next play, Roethlisberger was picked off by David Barrett. Doug Brien was given a second chance to win the game on the last play of regulation but missed the 43-yard kick wide left sending the game into overtime, Ben won in OT with a FG (guess it was before they changed the rule or Brien could have gone 0-3) - Looking back, that team lost to the pats* twice that year so maybe one of the "better" devastating losses in Jets history since gillette was next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Lupz27 said: For who Quincy Carter, or Brooks Bollinger you think those guys could have gutted out 2 game winning FG attempts late in that game with 2 good arms like Chad did with 1 non throwing good arm? Quincy actually played well during his starts in the regular season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Brien's 47 field goal attempt hit the crossbar and fell short. But on the very next play, Roethlisberger was picked off by David Barrett. Doug Brien was given a second chance to win the game on the last play of regulation but missed the 43-yard kick wide left sending the game into overtime, Ben won in OT with a FG (guess it was before they changed the rule or Brien could have gone 0-3) - Looking back, that team lost to the pats* twice that year so maybe one of the "better" devastating losses in Jets history since gillette was next We still shoulda won that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 hours ago, jetscrazey said: Benigno and Roberts were interviewing him on WFAN today. Roberts asked him point blank if there's anything he regretted about that game. Herm said flatly "wish I had a QB that could throw." He then said in the 3rd quarter Pennington's shoulder injury was re-aggravated and he couldn't throw more than 10 yards after that, which is why the play calling was so conservative. You could tell Herm wasn't happy to say this because he wanted to protect Chad, but I guess enough time had passed that he could fully come clean on the issue. so would he have been fine if we had won game or would he have been done. I forget, did Chad get surgery that off season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthernJet said: so would he have been fine if we had won game or would he have been done. I forget, did Chad get surgery that off season? Seemed like he was on his way to the hospital every January right after he packed up his locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bugg said: Seemed like he was on his way to the hospital every January right after he packed up his locker. Chad was hurt the entire 2004 season and missed 3 games. If Herm is at fault for anything it’s not having the conviction to bench him when he obviously cannot throw even a simple out pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Chad was hurt the entire 2004 season and missed 3 games. If Herm is at fault for anything it’s not having the conviction to bench him when he obviously cannot throw even a simple out pattern Just like mangini should have benched Favre when we lost last 5 games I think to miss playoffs when everyone on team know he couldnt throw. But mangini didnt have stones to bench him. Team was good enuf to win 1 or 2 of those games without healthy Favre andmake playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthernJet said: Just like mangini should have benched Favre when we lost last 5 games I think to miss playoffs when everyone on team know he couldnt throw. But mangini didnt have stones to bench him. Team was good enuf to win 1 or 2 of those games without healthy Favre andmake playoffs. Only thing is carter was actually cut before the 2004 playoffs probably because of weed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 15 hours ago, jack48 said: he was accurate and mistake free. He was smart. That is ALL you can say for him. That is the definition of an average to below average QB. Chad had excellent anticipation. He could throw to a spot in open space really well prior to the intended target making his break. And he had to... because his arm often wasn't strong enough to get it there if he waited for the receiver to show open. Seeing him play in person really demonstrated how he made it work better than TV ever could. Sometimes he threw the ball so damn early, it was hard to believe he could imagine the play that far in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Lupz27 said: For who Quincy Carter, or Brooks Bollinger you think those guys could have gutted out 2 game winning FG attempts late in that game with 2 good arms like Chad did with 1 non throwing good arm? Sweet mother of crap. He now "gutted out" 3 freakin' offensive points? But hey, it could have been 6, so that makes it so impressive, right? He also apparently deserves credit for standing there doing nothing while the defense picked off Ben to setup the second FG attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Brien's 47 field goal attempt hit the crossbar and fell short. But on the very next play, Roethlisberger was picked off by David Barrett. Doug Brien was given a second chance to win the game on the last play of regulation but missed the 43-yard kick wide left sending the game into overtime, Ben won in OT with a FG (guess it was before they changed the rule or Brien could have gone 0-3) - Looking back, that team lost to the pats* twice that year so maybe one of the "better" devastating losses in Jets history since gillette was next Jets actually won the toss and got the ball first in OT. Not surprisingly, the offense did nothing and punted, so while this was before the current OT rules, that FG would have won it for the Steelers regardless. But yeah, while the Jets have sucked against the Pats for many, many years now, there was no time they were more incapable of being evenly slightly competitive than the later Herm years. That would have been ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I liked Herm, regardless of his faults. I liked Chad, regardless of his faults. That era was one of our better times in my lifetime. Nothing wrong with Herm telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Herm ignored a potential long time good QB and never gave him a chance in Ricky Ray. He played Brooks friggin Bollinger over Ray. He also handed off into the line and settled twice for semi long Fg attempts just one week after we beat Sand Deigo because they did the same thing. Herm stunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmat321 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Then why wasn't Quincy Carter on the field?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Herm ignored a potential long time good QB and never gave him a chance in Ricky Ray. He played Brooks friggin Bollinger over Ray. He also handed off into the line and settled twice for semi long Fg attempts just one week after we beat Sand Deigo because they did the same thing. Herm stunk. I remember Herm taking a shot at Marty S. after the San Diego game . Something along the lines of " anything over 40 yards in the playoffs is a crapshoot "....then the very next week played for , not settled for , but played for 40+ yarders in a way worse weather environment, always pissed me off even more than missing the actual kicks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Try the back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Lupz27 said: For who Quincy Carter, or Brooks Bollinger you think those guys could have gutted out 2 game winning FG attempts late in that game with 2 good arms like Chad did with 1 non throwing good arm? Quincy Carter wasn’t available during the playoffs, he left the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, jmat321 said: Then why wasn't Quincy Carter on the field?? He wasn’t with the team in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, jmat321 said: Then why wasn't Quincy Carter on the field?? Bingo. If your starter can't throw the ball past 10 yards, then he can't play. And, as has already been pointed out, Carter played fairly well as a backup that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, slimjasi said: Bingo. If your starter can't throw the ball past 10 yards, then he can't play. And, as has already been pointed out, Carter played fairly well as a backup that year. Carter wasn’t available, he left the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I keep reading posts about Quincy Carter. Carter was a quality QB, but he left the team because of his personal problems. The only back up was Bollinger. I would rather bluff my way with Pennington than rely on a kid who at that point had not played in a regular season game, let alone the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, JetsFanatic said: I keep reading posts about Quincy Carter. Carter was a quality QB, but he left the team because of his personal problems. The only back up was Bollinger. I would rather bluff my way with Pennington than rely on a kid who at that point had not played in a regular season game, let alone the playoffs. Where's Tom Tupa when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: Carter wasn’t available, he left the team. ahh, right on. Good call. Regardless, the point is that whoever was the backup that day (I honestly don't remember who it was) should have been playing late in that game if Chad was really that hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: I keep reading posts about Quincy Carter. Carter was a quality QB, but he left the team because of his personal problems. The only back up was Bollinger. I would rather bluff my way with Pennington than rely on a kid who at that point had not played in a regular season game, let alone the playoffs. If Herm's excuse for playing for a 40+ yard field goal at Heinz field was that his starting QB couldn't throw the ball, then he had an obligation to the team to put the backup in . . . yes, even if it was Brooks Bollinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, slimjasi said: If Herm's excuse for playing for a 40+ yard field goal at Heinz field was that his starting QB couldn't throw the ball, then he had an obligation to the team to put the backup in . . . yes, even if it was Brooks Bollinger. The Lamont Jordan halfback pass had already been used to "great" effect in the Baltimore game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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