What Giants Defense Has Seen From Cousins.

[Patriot Killa]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/01/what-the-giants-defense-has-seen-in-kirk-cousins/amp/

BLOOMINGTON, Minn. — Steve Spagnuolo has studied Kirk Cousins plenty during the past three years when the two faced off in the NFC East.

The former Giants defensive coordinator said Wednesday that Cousins is a dangerous quarterback who should intrigue teams in free agency.

“I have a great deal of respect for Kirk Cousins,” Spagnuolo said. “I think he’s a great character guy. I know him a little bit. I always thought he was a tough quarterback to defend. He’s one of those quarterbacks that will challenge you because he can make changes before the snap of the ball. He’s got all of the pre-snap tools. I really respect him.”

Spagnuolo and the Giants have had some success against Cousins and the Redskins. They were 3-3 against Cousins and Washington over the past three seasons. Cousins had seven touchdowns and eight interceptions with 1,601 yards.

The main question with Cousins, as the Jets and other teams evaluate whether to give him a monster payday, is his value.

“I’m not going to comment on who’s worth what,” Spagnuolo said. “I just think he’s an excellent quarterback and he challenges you to defend him. I think he’s really smart.”

Former NFL quarterback Chris Simms is also a fan of Cousins and believes he is a perfect fit for the Jets.

“The first thing I thought of was the Jets because of Jeremy Bates,” Simms said about the Jets quarterbacks coach, who is expected to be promoted to offensive coordinator. “I was with Jeremy Bates in Tampa when he was working with Jon Gruden. That will be seamless for him to go there. He won’t even have to learn the system. I mean, it will be nothing for him at all. I certainly could see that being a possibility for sure.”

For the Jets, it is a question of signing a quarterback turning 30 in August or drafting someone.

“The Jets just got to figure out, do they want to go with a guy that they think can play right now, lead them into the future?” Simms said. “Or do they want to go with a younger guy and maybe take another one on the chin or have to battle through those young years, which isn’t that crazy to say, because players are ready to go, quarterbacks, this day and age. I’ll be interested to see what they do.”

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Man I just wish I knew what's Cousins intentions were. I don't really care one way or the other but I want to mentally prep myself either way haha. If he wants us then awesome if not then let's reload and look at the draft. My only issue with reloading and looking towards the draft is with no QB we likely have to overpay any talent that comes here, let alone the crazy deal needed for a top talent at any position. So rather than drastically over paying the most important position we are over paying a bunch of lesser positions. Then on top of loading up on multiple bad contracts we are likely going to have to give up assets to get up to #3 that would have been used to try and diminish some of the lopsided contracts.

 

That IMO is the massive benefit of Cousins.

[Ghost]

Sign him! We are seriously desperate. 

[Patriot Killa]

I like what I hear though. A good pre snap reader is something we haven’t had in YEARS. 

 

Maybe ever..?

[MDL_JET]

4 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

Man I just wish I knew what's Cousins intentions were. I don't really care one way or the other but I want to mentally prep myself either way haha. If he wants us then awesome if not then let's reload and look at the draft. My only issue with reloading and looking towards the draft is with no QB we likely have to overpay any talent that comes here, let alone the crazy deal needed for a top talent at any position. So rather than drastically over paying the most important position we are over paying a bunch of lesser positions. Then on top of loading up on multiple bad contracts we are likely going to have to give up assets to get up to #3 that would have been used to try and diminish some of the lopsided contracts.

That IMO is the massive benefit of Cousins.

At least 4-5 more weeks of Cousins talk. Until the Combine when we start hearing more and more rumors. 

I think we'd have to dish out big contracts regardless if Cousins came here or not. I think the only advantage to adding Cousins would be that it sways other FA's if it came down between us and another team. But nobody is taking discounts either way. 

 

 

[Jetsplayer21]

I guess he wasn’t referring to their last matchup. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/31/kirk-cousins-throws-three-interceptions-redskins-d/

[Paradis]

5 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/01/what-the-giants-defense-has-seen-in-kirk-cousins/amp/

BLOOMINGTON, Minn. — Steve Spagnuolo has studied Kirk Cousins plenty during the past three years when the two faced off in the NFC East.

“I have a great deal of respect for Kirk Cousins,” Spagnuolo said. “I think he’s a great character guy. I know him a little bit. I always thought he was a tough quarterback to defend. He’s one of those quarterbacks that will challenge you because he can make changes before the snap of the ball. He’s got all of the pre-snap tools. I really respect him.”

It's kind of a lose-lose for the Jets... The more "real" or well-respected Kirk is, the more other teams are likely to act as suitors - which is a disadvantage for us, the Jets aren't on the top of any Free Agents wish list. If he's the dirt sheet on him is a little longer however, our chances go up, but then, what are we really getting? 

[Paradis]

Just now, Paradis said:

It's kind of a lose-lose for the Jets... The more "real" or well-respected Kirk is, the more other teams are likely to act as suitors - which is a disadvantage for us, the Jets aren't on the top of any Free Agents wish list. If the dirt sheet on him is a little longer however, our chances go up, but then, what are we really getting? 

 

[PepPep]

27 minutes ago, Paradis said:

It's kind of a lose-lose for the Jets... The more "real" or well-respected Kirk is, the more other teams are likely to act as suitors - which is a disadvantage for us, the Jets aren't on the top of any Free Agents wish list. If he's the dirt sheet on him is a little longer however, our chances go up, but then, what are we really getting? 

I'm not sure how true that is. There aren't THAT many teams that are going to be viable option for Cousins. I'm not sure what every teams cap situation is but basically the QB needy teams are the Cards, Bills, Browns, Broncos, Jags, Viking, Giants and Jets. Did I miss anyone? 

Right off the bat you can probably take Browns and Giants off the list. I just don;t see either team signing Cousins rather than drafting Darnold/Rosen.

Cards don't have the money and would need to make a lot of moves to clear space. Highly unlikely. 

That leaves Bills, Broncos, Jags, Vikings and Jets. 

I honestly think the Jags and Vikings will be wary of signing Cousins to a monster deal when they have QBs that played well for them this year and took them to the AFC and NFC championship games. I may be in the minority but I think the Vikings will retain Keenum (or maybe Teddy) for much cheaper than Cousins would cost. And I think the Jags will hold on to Bortles. 

The Bills are more of a dark horse IMO b/c #1 they have a lot of draft capital that would allow them to trade up for a QB if they liked one. #2 they have T.Taylor under contract. 

The Broncos and Jets are the most likely landing spots for Cousins, IMO. The Broncos are the better team and will be attractive to Cousins but the Jets can offer him more money and frankly are not THAT much worse- lest we forget the Broncos ended up with the same record as the Jets last year. And if you look at the draft, the Broncos (barring a trade) will end up with a chance to take the #3 QB in the draft. If the like Allen or Mayfield, they may chose to draft one of them instead of doling out a ton of cash for Cousins.  

[HessStation]

I agree the big lure might be Bates. What an ironic twist of they landed him and part of the reasoning were Bates. As a disclaimer I'd rather draft a QB. But there would be something promising, organizationally speaking, if they actually set out and got the guy they were targeting for once.

[MDL_JET]

1 minute ago, HessStation said:

I agree the big lure might be Bates. What an ironic twist of they landed him and part of the reasoning were Bates. As a disclaimer I'd rather draft a QB. But there would be something promising, organizationally speaking, if they actually set out and got the guy they were targeting for once.

That line of it being a seamless transition and wouldn't have to learn anything is quite comforting. We'll see soon enough. 

[Jetsplayer21]

14 minutes ago, PepPep said:

I'm not sure how true that is. There aren't THAT many teams that are going to be viable option for Cousins. I'm not sure what every teams cap situation is but basically the QB needy teams are the Cards, Bills, Browns, Broncos, Jags, Viking, Giants and Jets. Did I miss anyone? 

Right off the bat you can probably take Browns and Giants off the list. I just don;t see either team signing Cousins rather than drafting Darnold/Rosen.

Cards don't have the money and would need to make a lot of moves to clear space. Highly unlikely. 

That leaves Bills, Broncos, Jags, Vikings and Jets. 

I honestly think the Jags and Vikings will be wary of signing Cousins to a monster deal when they have QBs that played well for them this year and took them to the AFC and NFC championship games. I may be in the minority but I think the Vikings will retain Keenum (or maybe Teddy) for much cheaper than Cousins would cost. And I think the Jags will hold on to Bortles. 

The Bills are more of a dark horse IMO b/c #1 they have a lot of draft capital that would allow them to trade up for a QB if they liked one. #2 they have T.Taylor under contract. 

The Broncos and Jets are the most likely landing spots for Cousins, IMO. The Broncos are the better team and will be attractive to Cousins but the Jets can offer him more money and frankly are not THAT much worse- lest we forget the Broncos ended up with the same record as the Jets last year. And if you look at the draft, the Broncos (barring a trade) will end up with a chance to take the #3 QB in the draft. If the like Allen or Mayfield, they may chose to draft one of them instead of doling out a ton of cash for Cousins.  

This is exactly correct. Denver is nowhere near as desperate as the jets. They have had plenty of franchise qbs, championships, and have the 5th pick. It’s crazy how much of a difference the 5th pick looks to be then the 6th. I still think one of the 4 drop to jets, especially if cousins went to Denver. But if cousins didn’t sign with 1 of the teams that had a top 6 pick, it is a different game for jets hope of grabbing 1 of  top 4. We wouldn’t want to wait at 6 and hope for the best. We Really can’t afford to trade up. If the jets offer for cousins, or other team is pretty ridiculous, I can see them signing Bradford or Bridgewater for good value deal and maybe also taking a qb at 5. 

[SenorGato]

6 hours ago, bla bla bla said:

Man I just wish I knew what's Cousins intentions were

Get paid to play QB for someome over multiple years and win. It really does not seem more complicated than that, but it’s going to get dragged out every day until a brief recess for the cattle weighings in March. 

[Augustiniak]

4 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

That line of it being a seamless transition and wouldn't have to learn anything is quite comforting. We'll see soon enough. 

the question is, is bates enough of an enticement to offset bowles as the coach - and that's ignoring the reality that brady/belichick are still in the division for the foreseeable future, that the jets haven't drafted a player on offense in the first round in a decade, and that the overall perception of the team's direction is middling at best.

i think if bates were on another team it would mean more, perhaps much more.  but in the end i assume cousins will have multiple offers where the guaranteed money is in the same general ballpark, and i keep coming back to the same reality, i just don't see him coming here when he can go play for elway where cousins can be all but assured his gm will do everything he can to set him up to succeed.  is there anyone in football who you'd trust more than elway, a HOF qb who's led his team to 2 super bowl appearances as a gm?  on the other hand i can't think of one good reason for cousins to trust mccagnan in general, and trust his true commitment to drafting offensive players.  i would think mccags has a better shot of luring the best defensive FAs for this reason.

[SouthernJet]

2 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

I like what I hear though. A good pre snap reader is something we haven’t had in YEARS. 

 

Maybe ever..?

and he can go thru 3-4 progressions before pocket breaks down. That is HUGE plus for any offense cause as the route tree progresses to 3rd /4th choice they are usually more open and covered by lesser skilled defender, aka more YAC.

[faba]

Yes it would possibly turn around this franchise if we made a bold move and got our man-something we have not done in getting old journeymen QB's in here

[slats]

1 hour ago, PepPep said:

I'm not sure how true that is. There aren't THAT many teams that are going to be viable option for Cousins. I'm not sure what every teams cap situation is but basically the QB needy teams are the Cards, Bills, Browns, Broncos, Jags, Viking, Giants and Jets. Did I miss anyone? 

Right off the bat you can probably take Browns and Giants off the list. I just don;t see either team signing Cousins rather than drafting Darnold/Rosen.

Cards don't have the money and would need to make a lot of moves to clear space. Highly unlikely. 

That leaves Bills, Broncos, Jags, Vikings and Jets. 

I honestly think the Jags and Vikings will be wary of signing Cousins to a monster deal when they have QBs that played well for them this year and took them to the AFC and NFC championship games. I may be in the minority but I think the Vikings will retain Keenum (or maybe Teddy) for much cheaper than Cousins would cost. And I think the Jags will hold on to Bortles. 

The Bills are more of a dark horse IMO b/c #1 they have a lot of draft capital that would allow them to trade up for a QB if they liked one. #2 they have T.Taylor under contract. 

The Broncos and Jets are the most likely landing spots for Cousins, IMO. The Broncos are the better team and will be attractive to Cousins but the Jets can offer him more money and frankly are not THAT much worse- lest we forget the Broncos ended up with the same record as the Jets last year. And if you look at the draft, the Broncos (barring a trade) will end up with a chance to take the #3 QB in the draft. If the like Allen or Mayfield, they may chose to draft one of them instead of doling out a ton of cash for Cousins.  

I wouldn't count out the Browns, yet. They did make a play for Alex Smith. If the Vikings get into the mix, they're the instant favorite. They're going to try to claim that Bridgewater is still under contract because of all the time he's spent on the IR, but they can't depend on him. Cousins, I think, is an upgrade over all of their guys, though. 

The Bills have capitol to move up, but I'm sure it would also be attractive for them to sign Cousins and use all those picks to build around him. Their centerpiece is an aging LeSean McCoy. Pairing him with a veteran QB makes a ton of sense. 

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3 hours ago, SenorGato said:

Get paid to play QB for someome over multiple years and win. It really does not seem more complicated than that, but it’s going to get dragged out every day until a brief recess for the cattle weighings in March. 

I'm well aware of that but is he looking for a new highest paid contract from the Broncos, is he looking for the same deal from the Jets, does knowing the system actually mean a lot to him or is he looking at the highest bidder? Those can lead to so many different answers. If I felt like it was just money I'd feel more confident than I do because I don't think any team will out bid us.

[SenorGato]

26 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

I'm well aware of that but is he looking for a new highest paid contract from the Broncos, is he looking for the same deal from the Jets, does knowing the system actually mean a lot to him or is he looking at the highest bidder? Those can lead to so many different answers. If I felt like it was just money I'd feel more confident than I do because I don't think any team will out bid us.

I think everyone is looking to make it more complicated than it is. Mostly the purpose of doing so to fill time, some because the situation is unprecedented, and the rest because sports fans have been conditioned to sh*t their pants and cry overpay whenever the spectre of FA rears its head. No one on the planet wants to work for less money to take on the most resposibility, no one in the history of ever.

It’s always about money. I do believe he will consider other factors like who can put a good team around him fast. Know what he’ll look at in tandem with current rosters knowing teams turn over as high as 40% of a roster in an offseason and average in the 20s? How much money they have left after signing him.