maury77 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Looks like the Skins are hoping to get picks in return for Cousins. I could live with paying Cousins big money, but if we have to include picks as well, I think I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Let them. They have ZERO leverage. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Cool I remember the people who know everything telling me no wayCousins was getting tagged before the Smith trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ghost said: Let them. They have ZERO leverage. ? Not really, there are multiple teams interested that’s where the leverage comes from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 If I’m the Redskins I’d settle for anything. They have Smith, no leverage, but are offering a guarantee to whomever acquired him that they get him. I’d spend a 3rd on that. Not like Nac does anything with his draft picks to begin. With Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, Philc1 said: Not really, there are multiple teams interested that’s where the leverage comes from This. It’s slight, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, maury77 said: Looks like the Skins are hoping to get picks in return for Cousins. I could live with paying Cousins big money, but if we have to include picks as well, I think I'm out. Would be a late pick I think. Would serve them right if they got burnt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Trying to create a trade market because cousins is playing footsie with everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I mean the whole purpose of getting Cousins is to allow flexibility during the draft. Plus the second Cousins signs his offer sheet they lose leverage and cap space. They’ll trade him for cap relief and a 6th rounder if they’re lucky at that point. But if the jets can convince the Skins to pay a portion of Cousins signing bonus in exchange for a higher pick (max 3rd rounder) then I’d look into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 They would also lose their comp pick in 2019. Kirk could really screw them if he wanted to. They should be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: I mean the whole purpose of getting Cousins is to allow flexibility during the draft. Plus the second Cousins signs his offer sheet they lose leverage and cap space. They’ll trade him for cap relief and a 6th rounder if they’re lucky at that point. The purpose to get Cousins is to get a pretty good qb who is still relatively young.jets haven’t had that in 40 years Mac’s drafts have sucked. If you think the difference between us winning a super bowl or not is whatever mediocre defensive player he takes with the 2nd round pick that’s a cool opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetroitRed Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, maury77 said: Looks like the Skins are hoping to get picks in return for Cousins. I could live with paying Cousins big money, but if we have to include picks as well, I think I'm out. link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Give up a 3rd if need be, they have 2 2nds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, New York Mick said: Give up a 3rd if need be, they have 2 2nds. I’d be fine with one of the 2nds which would get the deal done. Is another Hackenberg or DevinSmith that important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: Would be a late pick I think. Would serve them right if they got burnt though. Depending on what else they do in FA, they have a 3rd round comp pick coming for him. So trading him for less seems counter-productive. Again, the leverage is not really tangible. I'm going off what I believe is true so if there are additional facts that apply, please chime in. Let's say DEN wants Cousins and Cousins wants DEN. WAS puts the exclusive tag on him, committing them to $34.5MM in salary, which they pretty much cannot afford. Cousins has to sign or he can't play. So he signs and tells every team, I will not sign an extension with anyone but DEN. No other team is going to touch that. DEN says to WAS, we'll trade you a 7th rounder. If the trade doesn't happen, WAS is committed to paying him, and now was a completely toxic locker room if he stays. How do you think that story ends? Probably that WAS just gave up a possible comp 3rd rounder for a guaranteed 7th rounder. If it wasn't WAS, I'd say 0% chance it happens, but with WAS, maybe I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Doubt that will happen. If cousins signs the tender wouldn’t that be an immediate 35million cap hit? Do they have the room to absorb that plus Alex smith contact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, nycdan said: Depending on what else they do in FA, they have a 3rd round comp pick coming for him. So trading him for less seems counter-productive. Again, the leverage is not really tangible. I'm going off what I believe is true so if there are additional facts that apply, please chime in. Let's say DEN wants Cousins and Cousins wants DEN. WAS puts the exclusive tag on him, committing them to $34.5MM in salary, which they pretty much cannot afford. Cousins has to sign or he can't play. So he signs and tells every team, I will not sign an extension with anyone but DEN. No other team is going to touch that. DEN says to WAS, we'll trade you a 7th rounder. If the trade doesn't happen, WAS is committed to paying him, and now was a completely toxic locker room if he stays. How do you think that story ends? Probably that WAS just gave up a possible comp 3rd rounder for a guaranteed 7th rounder. If it wasn't WAS, I'd say 0% chance it happens, but with WAS, maybe I guess. yep, i'm thinking the same thing although the redskins would be listening to any team. one of the keys is when this would actually take place. it could be pretty interesting if the redskins have to keep cousins after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, rangerous said: yep, i'm thinking the same thing although the redskins would be listening to any team. one of the keys is when this would actually take place. it could be pretty interesting if the redskins have to keep cousins after the draft. Macc needs to pull the trigger now. Otherwise say bye bye to Cousins and hello to Johnny Manziel 2.0 Baker Mayfield and the next dark saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Hope they do. Making an above average QB the highest paid player in the NFL is insane and will continue to cripple this worthless franchise for another decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, nycdan said: Depending on what else they do in FA, they have a 3rd round comp pick coming for him. So trading him for less seems counter-productive. Again, the leverage is not really tangible. I'm going off what I believe is true so if there are additional facts that apply, please chime in. Let's say DEN wants Cousins and Cousins wants DEN. WAS puts the exclusive tag on him, committing them to $34.5MM in salary, which they pretty much cannot afford. Cousins has to sign or he can't play. So he signs and tells every team, I will not sign an extension with anyone but DEN. No other team is going to touch that. DEN says to WAS, we'll trade you a 7th rounder. If the trade doesn't happen, WAS is committed to paying him, and now was a completely toxic locker room if he stays. How do you think that story ends? Probably that WAS just gave up a possible comp 3rd rounder for a guaranteed 7th rounder. If it wasn't WAS, I'd say 0% chance it happens, but with WAS, maybe I guess. As soon as they tag him they'll be up against the cap and lose their comp pick. He could just delay signing it through FA and the Skins would be unable to sign any FAs. If they pull the tag they still lose the comp. If it wasn't Schneider I would say there's no way they risk this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 If they do franchise him and then trade him, does the 34 million become the responsibility of the new team, or can they renegotiate and make a completely new contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, Ghost said: Let them. They have ZERO leverage. ? I just googled “Do the redskins have leverage” and this was the first and only search result: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Just now, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said: If they do franchise him and then trade him, does the 34 million become the responsibility of the new team, or can they renegotiate and make a completely new contract? The 34 mil is our responsibility until we work out a new deal. Actually, trading for the franchise rights to a Cousins ends up saving us money because we have exclusive rights to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, Ghost said: Let them. They have ZERO leverage. ? They have the tag. That IS leverage. The Skins would be fools to not try and turn this into some kind of trade & sign situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I would have no problem trading a 2nd or 3rd for him but he would need to work out a long term deal with us before I pull that trigger. I think that goes for any team in his market. If Kirk wanted to screw the Redskins and say "I will play on the franchise tag" then what team is giving up at least a 3rd round pick for a 1 year rental at $34.5M? oo and Kirk already said this offseason if tagged he is willing to play on the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Not really, there are multiple teams interested that’s where the leverage comes from The Redskins will be responsible for 34.5 Million for Cousins’ franchise tag. He doesn’t have to sign the franchise tag and even if he does, he can simply tell the team trading for him that he is NOT willing to sign long term. Would you trade for Cousins knowing there’s a good chance you’re going to be in a similar situation as the Redskins have been in the past 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Warfish said: They have the tag. That IS leverage. The Skins would be fools to not try and turn this into some kind of trade & sign situation. What do you think his value would be if Kirk says he wants to play on the tag? I'm not sure a team wants to commit that much for a 1 year rental. The Skins need to net at least a 3rd round pick to make it worth it for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I just googled “Do the redskins have leverage” and this was the first and only search result: with an endorsement from Fitz's agent - yes Mac will bid himself up, "hope to do business again" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I’d be fine with one of the 2nds which would get the deal done. Is another Hackenberg or DevinSmith that important? I’d take a Bruce Smith, Larry Allen, Mike Singletary, Thurman Thomas, Howie Long etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 I really hope someone else gets Kirk Cousins. The premium we'd have to pay for this guy (assuming the stories are true) was already way too much before having to also surrender picks. If it were Aaron Rodgers then yes sign me up. But for Cousins? No thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Warfish said: They have the tag. That IS leverage. The Skins would be fools to not try and turn this into some kind of trade & sign situation. I disagree! What do they expect in return? They’re essentially guaranteed a 3rd round pick at this point based on the comp picks. No team is going to fork a day 1 pick or multiple day 2 picks + turn around and give Kirk 25 million per year. I’m sorry I cannot see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, nycdan said: Depending on what else they do in FA, they have a 3rd round comp pick coming for him. So trading him for less seems counter-productive. Again, the leverage is not really tangible. I'm going off what I believe is true so if there are additional facts that apply, please chime in. Let's say DEN wants Cousins and Cousins wants DEN. WAS puts the exclusive tag on him, committing them to $34.5MM in salary, which they pretty much cannot afford. Cousins has to sign or he can't play. So he signs and tells every team, I will not sign an extension with anyone but DEN. No other team is going to touch that. DEN says to WAS, we'll trade you a 7th rounder. If the trade doesn't happen, WAS is committed to paying him, and now was a completely toxic locker room if he stays. How do you think that story ends? Probably that WAS just gave up a possible comp 3rd rounder for a guaranteed 7th rounder. If it wasn't WAS, I'd say 0% chance it happens, but with WAS, maybe I guess. This. 100%. Cousins has ALL leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: with an endorsement from Fitz's agent - yes Mac will bid himself up, "hope to do business again" I’m sort of hoping Snyder extracts the #6 pick out of Macc to get it done, too. Just blow the lid off the whole thing and out the enablers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 The real question needs to be: Is there a team willing to have a 1 year rental at $34.5M while giving up a 3rd or higher? If the answer is yes then he'll be traded but I'm not sure there is a team that wants to do that...maybe the Browns and then they take Allen at #1 and give him a year to sit and let Kirk walk next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 He's not getting franchised. That would be one of the dumbest executive moves in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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