Sign Kirk, draft QB

[j4jets]

Sign Kirk and draft a top QB. 5 years $140 mil, 80 mil guaranteed with 30 mil signing bonus (first three years salaries guaranteed)  

Salary each year: 5, 20, 25, 30, 30

cap charge: 11, 26, 31, 36, 36

cap savings if traded:

Year 2, 3, 4, 5:  (4) 13, 18, 24. 

Trade him in year 3 if new QB is ready. We’ll pay him 55 mil for 2 years and have 13 mil in cap savings. New team gets Kirk for 3 years, $85 mil in year 2020, zero guaranteed beyond the first year cap of $25mil. 

If the new QB is Hack esque, release him and stick with Kirk. If Kirk also sucks it up, we can release him after year 3. If they both light it up, you can get a premium pick in trade. 

Why do this? You increase your chances of having a long term franchise QB. 

Make it happen, Tanny!

[Patriot Killa]

Sign Cousins 

Draft Lauletta

 

Pound those fists, Bradway!! 

[rangerous]

2 hours ago, j4jets said:

Sign Kirk and draft a top QB. 5 years $140 mil, 80 mil guaranteed with 30 mil signing bonus (first three years salaries guaranteed)  

Salary each year: 5, 20, 25, 30, 30

cap charge: 11, 26, 31, 36, 36

cap savings if traded:

Year 2, 3, 4, 5:  (4) 13, 18, 24. 

Trade him in year 3 if new QB is ready. We’ll pay him 55 mil for 2 years and have 13 mil in cap savings. New team gets Kirk for 3 years, $85 mil in year 2020, zero guaranteed beyond the first year cap of $25mil. 

If the new QB is Hack esque, release him and stick with Kirk. If Kirk also sucks it up, we can release him after year 3. If they both light it up, you can get a premium pick in trade. 

Why do this? You increase your chances of having a long term franchise QB. 

Make it happen, Tanny!

imo they should front load his contract more because they still have the cap money.  they can get 3 nice players in the draft plus a couple more free agents.  but next season they'll need to deal with leo and then it won't be long before adams and maye will want theirs.

[Sperm Edwards]

ROFL

Sign a FA QB to the highest contract in the history of the NFL, and then use the 6th pick in the country on the same position, to hold a clipboard for 2 years or more.

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, Sperm Edwards said:

ROFL

Sign a FA QB to the highest contract in the history of the NFL, and then use the 6th pick in the country on the same position, to hold a clipbaord for 2 years or more.

Unreal and forget all the other positions that we have glaring needs for. My God what are these fans thinking? 

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

ROFL

Sign a FA QB to the highest contract in the history of the NFL, and then use the 6th pick in the country on the same position, to hold a clipbaord for 2 years or more.

Think he meant a later round QB...at least I would hope.

 

edit: he said top QB..oh man..don’t do him like bla bla bla.

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

Think he meant a later round QB...at least I would hope.

I took “draft a top QB” to mean our top pick not a later round QB. I think it was implied, otherwise it’s not a “top QB” we’re drafting.

Otherwise, this “plan” is: sign Cousins, then draft Tom Brady II in round 6 to unseat him by season 3, lol. That’s what we call a prayer, not a plan. 

[Sperm Edwards]

First, the way things look today, this deal isn’t even going to get Kirk Cousins to choose the Jets over another team (putting aside the rest of this “plan”). 

Second - also independent of draft part of the “plan” - just from cap allocation alone, the last thing a team with $100m in current cap room is looking to do is to bring in ultra-high-priced talent and put his huge cap hits off to the future, including an outrageous $18m accelerated dead cap season 3, right as other recent acquisitions are hitting the meaty part of their own contracts.

Third, if the optimistic goal of this plan comes true, and Cousins will still be worth $28m+/year in year 3, then why the hell are we already drafting a QB in year 1 to replace him? If he’s worth someone surrendering pick(s) to take on that contract, why isn’t he good enough for us?

Fourth, this is simply awful for team morale, is just cause to have your highest-ever paid asset QB already rightly bitter, even before his first preseason game. Further, it’s the sort of PR embarrassment that would have every agent tell all his clients to stay clear of the Jets unless they’re the highest bidder by 40% or more (if they aren’t telling their clients this already). 

 

All this ignores the obvious: you don’t sign a 29-30 yr old QB to the highest contract in NFL history, with some $80m or more guaranteed, if you don’t think he’s the FQB of the future, for the next 5 years or more. 

[Paradis]

4 hours ago, j4jets said:

Sign Kirk and draft a top QB.

No. Fantasy/Fan's dream - never happen in real life - and for good reason. 

Put this thread to bed, along with your dreams.

[jetsons]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

ROFL

Sign a FA QB to the highest contract in the history of the NFL, and then use the 6th pick in the country on the same position, to hold a clipbaord for 2 years or more.

sounds just like something the jets would find intriguing...  

[Charlie Brown]

No need to draft a QB if you get Cousins because Hackenberg is I now believe the real deal and will be a starting QB on this league. 

[TuscanyTile2]

11 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Sign Cousins 

Draft Lauletta

 

Pound those fists, Bradway!! 

I like part 2 (Lauletta).  Cousins - not so much.  I'd  be okay with Mayfield in round 1 and Lauletta in round 2-4 (no idea where he's projected to be drafted).  Sort of like the RG III and Cousins draft.  Take 2.

[LIJetsFan]

11 hours ago, j4jets said:

Sign Kirk and draft a top QB. 5 years $140 mil, 80 mil guaranteed with 30 mil signing bonus (first three years salaries guaranteed)  

Salary each year: 5, 20, 25, 30, 30

cap charge: 11, 26, 31, 36, 36

cap savings if traded:

Year 2, 3, 4, 5:  (4) 13, 18, 24. 

Trade him in year 3 if new QB is ready. We’ll pay him 55 mil for 2 years and have 13 mil in cap savings. New team gets Kirk for 3 years, $85 mil in year 2020, zero guaranteed beyond the first year cap of $25mil. 

If the new QB is Hack esque, release him and stick with Kirk. If Kirk also sucks it up, we can release him after year 3. If they both light it up, you can get a premium pick in trade. 

Why do this? You increase your chances of having a long term franchise QB. 

Make it happen, Tanny!

If not now, when?  We've got the cap and the draft equity so why not do every thing possible to end out ongoing QB hell situation?  I'm so sick of being a QB needy team that I'd have no problem whatsoever in this type of insurance policy. 

Disagree, fine but ridicule is def misplaced.        

[Patriot Killa]

21 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

I like part 2 (Lauletta).  Cousins - not so much.  I'd  be okay with Mayfield in round 1 and Lauletta in round 2-4 (no idea where he's projected to be drafted).  Sort of like the RG III and Cousins draft.  Take 2.

My thing is..if I’m picking a top QB I wouldn’t wanna go QB right after in the second. Maybe the 4th like how you are talking about with Cousins/Rg3 situation.

1st - Top QB

2nd - Offensive asset

2nd(SEA) - Offensive asset

3rd- BPA

4th - QB

Lauletta probably won’t be there in the 4th though..that’s the tricky part. Mike White is a nice developmental project..if the coaching staff decides they actually want to put time into a guy behind the scenes because if we do what we discussed with Hack..it’s going to be rinse/repeat.

[TuscanyTile2]

8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

My thing is..if I’m picking a top QB I wouldn’t wanna go QB right after in the second. Maybe the 4th like how you are talking about with Cousins/Rg3 situation.

1st - Top QB

2nd - Offensive asset

2nd(SEA) - Offensive asset

3rd- BPA

4th - QB

Lauletta probably won’t be there in the 4th though..that’s the tricky part. Mike White is a nice developmental project..if the coaching staff decides they actually want to put time into a guy behind the scenes because if we do what we discussed with Hack..it’s going to be rinse/repeat.

There's only 1 position that really matters.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

There's only 1 position that really matters.

I cant say I agree. We have a lot of gaps. You are right to an extent..there is only one position can matter the most...but we still need G, CB, #1WR, OLB, LT, C and HB .. we need to be helping the top QB out, instead of surrounding him with nothing and investing in more QB’s that will also have nothing around them.

It also needs to be the right guy too though.

Mark Sanchez had ALL he needed and more but sucked anyway.

[j4jets]

9 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I took “draft a top QB” to mean our top pick not a later round QB. I think it was implied, otherwise it’s not a “top QB” we’re drafting.

Otherwise, this “plan” is: sign Cousins, then draft Tom Brady II in round 6 to unseat him by season 3, lol. That’s what we call a prayer, not a plan. 

Macc's been throwing those prayers out every year. You can not win in this league without a QB and we will have none to start the year (Hack should be listed as a punching bag and not QB). Would you give up Adams for a QB drafted after him? Of course. Knowing what we know now, you do it in a heartbeat. 

It won't be the first time someone doing this. The Chicago Bears did it last year, picking up Glennon and drafting a QB 2nd overall. Its yet to be seen if it would work out, but the idea isn't crazy. Kirk has far more potential than Glennon, therefore the price tag is nearly twice as much. 2 years 55 mil for Kirk and see how he plays isn't bad at all. Its not like the rookie QB will be ready from the get-go. He'll need minimum one year on the bench if not two before he's ready to compete. If Kirk is worth his contract, you keep him and trade the QB. If they are both worth the assets you paid to get them, you trade away kirk. If neither is worth the asset, then why even bother? You gotta keep trying and this year we have the $ and we have the draft capital. Perfect situation. 

[Sperm Edwards]

5 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Macc's been throwing those prayers out every year. You can not win in this league without a QB and we will have none to start the year (Hack should be listed as a punching bag and not QB). Would you give up Adams for a QB drafted after him? Of course. Knowing what we know now, you do it in a heartbeat. 

It won't be the first time someone doing this. The Chicago Bears did it last year, picking up Glennon and drafting a QB 2nd overall. Its yet to be seen if it would work out, but the idea isn't crazy. Kirk has far more potential than Glennon, therefore the price tag is nearly twice as much. 2 years 55 mil for Kirk and see how he plays isn't bad at all. Its not like the rookie QB will be ready from the get-go. He'll need minimum one year on the bench if not two before he's ready to compete. If Kirk is worth his contract, you keep him and trade the QB. If they are both worth the assets you paid to get them, you trade away kirk. If neither is worth the asset, then why even bother? You gotta keep trying and this year we have the $ and we have the draft capital. Perfect situation. 

Chicago most certainly did not do this last year.

Mike Glennon:

1. Was roughly half the cost per annum
2. Was only offered a stopgap level contract, with a $3m signing bonus (1/10 of what you outlined) and a solid $10m less in total guaranteed money than Cousins will average per annum.
3. Was an unproven shot in the dark. Glennon's signing was based on hopeful potential; Cousins' signing is based on 3 consecutive seasons of production.
4. Sucks

So yes, it would be the first time anyone signed a proven QB to the most expensive contract in NFL history, with 3+ years guaranteed and some $30-40m payable in year 1 alone, and then a month later drafted a QB with their #6 overall selection.

The very reason you sign Cousins to all that money precisely because you believe it isn't throwing a prayer out there. He's a proven, known quantity. The only reason you'd sign Glennon - if any - is because you are crossing your fingers that his two half-seasons of a 2:1 TD:INT ratio (before sitting on the bench for 2 seasons after that) weren't flukes and garbage time.

And if Macc sucks so much - which he does - why on earth would you want him compounding the problem by taking yet another #6 pick on a player that doesn't move the needle? 

[nyjbuddy]

Out of curiosity, who would be the backup QB if Cousins is signed?  The 2017 season was one of the worst seasons for QB injuries.  According to fivethirtyeight, by the start of week 11, it ranked 8th in adjusted games lost for quarterbacks.  That was before Cutler, Taylor, Peterman, and Savage went down for at least 1 game and Lynch, Wentz and McCown having season ending injuries.  Its not just the 2017 season that was high.  2016 ranked 4th, 2015 ranked 10th, 2014 ranked 9th, and 2013 ranked 3rd.  Though the rules are being changed to protect the QB, in the past 5 seasons, we have seen 5 of the top 10 highest number of games being missed by QBs.   The 2017 season even ranked 4th, for quality QBs (evaluated by DVOA) getting injured.  

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-this-the-worst-year-for-quarterback-injuries/

Hopefully Cousins would not get injured, but it would be wise to have someone who could step in if he were to go down for an extended period of time.  Would rather have a Foles (FA), Bradford(FA), Keenum(FA) sitting on the bench rather than a Hundley (5th round developmental QB), Cook (4th round developmental QB), or Petty(4th round developmental QB).  The free agency market is very limited this year: McCown, Fitzpatrick, Geno, Sanchez (could be our Foles, only joking), Moore, Cutler, Anderson, Stanton, Savage, Henne, Gabbert. So where will this capable backup would come from?  Is there a successful blueprint on finding a cheap, capable backup?

[HighPitch]

15 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

ROFL

Sign a FA QB to the highest contract in the history of the NFL, and then use the 6th pick in the country on the same position, to hold a clipbaord for 2 years or more.

Yea and? 

A million guys hold the clipboard fir a year or two. So what? 

 

Youre happier with crap qb play? No hope turns you on? 

[HighPitch]

5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Chicago most certainly did not do this last year.

Mike Glennon:

1. Was roughly half the cost per annum
2. Was only offered a stopgap level contract, with a $3m signing bonus (1/10 of what you outlined) and a solid $10m less in total guaranteed money than Cousins will average per annum.
3. Was an unproven shot in the dark. Glennon's signing was based on hopeful potential; Cousins' signing is based on 3 consecutive seasons of production.
4. Sucks

So yes, it would be the first time anyone signed a proven QB to the most expensive contract in NFL history, with 3+ years guaranteed and some $30-40m payable in year 1 alone, and then a month later drafted a QB with their #6 overall selection.

The very reason you sign Cousins to all that money precisely because you believe it isn't throwing a prayer out there. He's a proven, known quantity. The only reason you'd sign Glennon - if any - is because you are crossing your fingers that his two half-seasons of a 2:1 TD:INT ratio (before sitting on the bench for 2 seasons after that) weren't flukes and garbage time.

And if Macc sucks so much - which he does - why on earth would you want him compounding the problem by taking yet another #6 pick on a player that doesn't move the needle? 

Yes they did. And look what happened.... Glennon crapped the bed. Who is to say cousins wont? 

Weve got tons of cap space and the pick so its all very possible. You disagree, because youre stuck in loser mentality that stems from watching the jets for 30 years. 

We need a qb... Its all very possible to get just that finally but think outside the box you robot

[joewilly12]

If you sign Kirk Cousins you DO NOT DRAFT A QB this year you wait for Jake Fromm Georgia QB to come out in 2 years. 

You either draft a RB,WR,OL,CB or LB edge rusher this year. 

[nyjbuddy]

10 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

If you sign Kirk Cousins you DO NOT DRAFT A QB this year you wait for Jake Fromm Georgia QB to come out in 2 years. 

You either draft a RB,WR,OL,CB or LB edge rusher this year. 

Is the expectation that in 2 years Cousins will be bad so that the Jets are picking in the top 5 picks (assuming that Jake Fromm is a top 5 pick)?  Or that Cousins will be doing well and that Jake Fromm will be a mid to late first round QB (or mid round pick)?

[JoJoTownsell1]

16 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

ROFL

Sign a FA QB to the highest contract in the history of the NFL, and then use the 6th pick in the country on the same position, to hold a clipbaord for 2 years or more.

Exactly. It's just mind boggling that so many posters have suggested this idiotic idea. If you're investing in cousins, and your roster has holes, the last thing you want to do is waste a top 6 pick on a backup that if everything goes right with cousins will never see the field.

[shawn306]

35 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

If you sign Kirk Cousins you DO NOT DRAFT A QB this year you wait for Jake Fromm Georgia QB to come out in 2 years. 

You either draft a RB,WR,OL,CB or LB edge rusher this year. 

I like the way this man thinks

[Sperm Edwards]

9 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Yes they did. And look what happened.... Glennon crapped the bed. Who is to say cousins wont? 

Weve got tons of cap space and the pick so its all very possible. You disagree, because youre stuck in loser mentality that stems from watching the jets for 30 years. 

We need a qb... Its all very possible to get just that finally but think outside the box you robot

I disagree with your premise that Glennon = Cousins

[Sperm Edwards]

10 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Yea and? 

A million guys hold the clipboard fir a year or two. So what? 

 

Youre happier with crap qb play? No hope turns you on? 

“A million guys” taken with the 6th overall (or similarly high) pick most certainly do not hold the clipboard for a full year or two (let alone do so and then instantly in year 3 unseat a 31 year-old pro bowl QB in his prime). This is a patently false statement. Not a million guys, not thousands, not hundreds, and not even dozens.

Also further, this "plan" suggests sitting him 2 years outright, not a year or two.

There is no rational connection between (a) "only" outbidding all others for a proven veteran QB, without also burning the #6 overall pick on a given draft’s supposed 3rd-4th best QB prospect another a month later, and (b) desire for crap QB play. There is only irrational fear, that past Jets failures with lesser QBs will = future similar failures because Jets.

This team needs a QB. This team doesn’t come close to only needing a QB.