Some deep Jets thoughts to come out of the playoffs

[T0mShane]

1. The David Lee Roth Theory of QB Coaching must be applied:

Van Halen was an immortal rock band ostensibly built around one of the top five best guitarists to ever pick up the instrument in Eddie Van Halen. That said, as technically gifted as Eddie was, the band’s success was driven by the cocksure, free-flowing charisma of a really, really, unqualified karaoke-level rock “singer” named David Lee Roth. When Eddie threw Dave out of the group, the band turned into a dad-rock parody of itself where it cycled through a couple of entirely underwhelming front men, ultimately ending in total collapse. The lesson as it relates to NFL quarterbacking? You need to let your sh*tty, imperfect QB go out there and be Diamond Dave, even if he sucks some weeks, and even if you have 52 Eddie Van Halens backing him up. There is no path to victory if you try to caulk the QB position with a washed up Hagar or Gary Cherone. The most important quality in any winning QB is possessing undeterred confidence, and that confidence must be fostered from the day those QBs—imperfect though they may be—walk into your building. Look at Bortles. Look at Goff. Look at Foles and Keenum: they didn’t magically become high-end, playoff-caliber QBs overnight because they were all bitten by radioactive spiders this past offseason: they performed well because their coaches treated them like they were capable of performing well. There’s an old saying I subscribe to: if you treat people like animals and they will behave as animals. Similarly, if you treat your quarterback like David Lee Roth, your team will perform as an immortal rock band.

 

2. Todd Bowles is Jeff Fisher:

Todd Bowles and Jeff Fisher wouldn’t be know how to coach David Lee Roth, and that’s why they suck. To whit: Fisher had, on his Rams roster, Nick Foles, Case Keenum, and Jared Goff and they all sucked under his tutelage because Fisher thought he could build around Aaron Donald and a bunch of DBs, while running Todd Gurley into early retirement in an attempt to hide Foles, and Keenum, and Goff. Each of those QBs were great this season when paired with coaches that trusted them. Throughout the arc of Bowles’ coaching career, he has only experienced success by wheeling out veteran journeymen QBs: Testaverde with the Jets, Bledsoe with the Cowboys, Matt Moore in Miami, Vick in Philly, Carson Palmer in Arizona; even in his playing days with the Redskins where Joe Gibbs ran out veteran stiffs and still won titles. Bottom line: Bowles, like Fisher, has developed a keen distrust in young QBs and those QBs have ended up playing like it.

 

3. The NFL is becoming the Big 12 on offense and the only thing holding it back is the Good Ol’ Boy network:

Quite simply, the NFL needs to do three things to save itself: (1) increase scoring, (2) make the game more accessible to those really fun QB prospects coming out of the spread, and (3) lessen the frequency by which their veteran players end up in a catatonic state due to CTE. The answer? Stop employing 65-year old coaches who think the only way to win is via the power-I because that’s what Ron Earhardt and Chuck Noll used to run. It’s over. The future of the game is Mike Gundy and Dabo Swinney and, yes, Chip Kelly. You can sell that, not only to advertisers and fans, but to parents who are freaking out about their children turning into Mike Webster or Junior Seau. The spread, aesthetically, appears less violent and looks more like soccer. It will also enable the emergence of a few more decent quarterbacks into the landscape of the league. Consider for a moment that one of the major conversations being had regarding the draft right now is if Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph can be integrated into the more boring, lower-scoring, more-violent NFL game, and why that leads to the entire product of the League hoping and praying that literally two prospects—Darnold and Rosen—aren’t outright failures because those two prospects represent the future marketability of the league as currently constituted. They need to create a bigger tent.

 

4. The few positions where the Jets have good players were invisible in the playoffs.

Leonard Williams is the Jets best player, but even though these playoffs featured two interior DL that are both significantly better than Williams (Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox), neither of them made a dent in the outcome of these games. Similarly, can anyone cite a big play made by any run-stuffing safeties? Malcolm Jenkins was the best safety in these playoffs and he’s actually a cornerback. The most important positions on the field in all of these games were (1) QB, (2) Edge rusher (3) Receiver and (4) Center. Currently, the Jets are threadbare at each spot.

[Patriot Killa]

Awesome post. Been screaming this all year.

Nothing changes until we fire Todd Bowles. Jeff Fisher literally had a 1st , 2nd and 3rd string QB who all played well in the playoffs this year. That’s a huge indictment on his ability to coach successful football. The Eagles had Deflippo and Pederson calling plays and coaching QB’s .. it was a great environment for any QB and they excled with good pieces around them. We need to ditch Bowles next year. **** this continuity thing. This is not what we want to continue. 

[Stark]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

 

2. Todd Bowles is Jeff Fisher:

Todd Bowles and Jeff Fisher wouldn’t be know how to coach David Lee Roth, and that’s why they suck. To whit: Fisher had, on his Rams roster, Nick Foles, Case Keenum, and Jared Goff and they all sucked under his tutelage because Fisher thought he could build around Aaron Donald and a bunch of DBs, while running Todd Gurley into early retirement in an attempt to hide Foles, and Keenum, and Goff. Each of those QBs were great this season when paired with coaches that trusted them. Throughout the arc of Bowles’ coaching career, he has only experienced success by wheeling out veteran journeymen QBs: Testaverde with the Jets, Bledsoe with the Cowboys, Matt Moore in Miami, Vick in Philly, Carson Palmer in Arizona; even in his playing days with the Redskins where Joe Gibbs ran out veteran stiffs and still won titles. Bottom line: Bowles, like Fisher, has developed a keen distrust in young QBs and those QBs have ended up playing like it.

 

 

Yeah pretty much nails it... 

Why we are okay with being content with this HC is beyond me. I wish we had someone in the organization that wanted us to be the best team in the league, and wanted nothing less than winning. Not taking shortcuts and not afraid to move on from a coach once you realize he is not the guy that will win the big game.

[BUM-KNEE]

I really enjoyed Hagar in Van Halen.

[Joe W. Namath]

Van hagar was ok.  They were like going 8-8.

[JetFaninMI]

4 minutes ago, BUM-KNEE said:

I really enjoyed Hagar in Van Halen.

Sorry but there is only one Van Halen. Everything else is Van Hagar

[NoBowles]

Spot on with 1,2 and 4. I don't agree with 3. But hey, 3 outa 4 aint bad.

Oh, and Todd Bowles' upside is Jeff Fisher, his downside is much worse. 

[kdels62]

You had me until point 4.

Fletcher Cox was dominant all playoffs until the Super Bowl because he was gameplanned against. Malcolm Jenkins is the strong safety for the Eagles. He plays in the box and is big in run support and a liability in deeper pass coverage.

That being said, having a stud Center has become incredibly important for o-line success.

[JetFaninMI]

We all know this team won't win with Bowles. I will go you one further and say this team will never win with Macc as GM. You can talk consistency all you want but when your draft picks and FA signings are consistently bad how can you win? All you Macc guys are nuts if you think they ever win a thing with this man as GM.

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, BUM-KNEE said:

I really enjoyed Hagar in Van Halen.

 

6 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Van hagar was ok.  They were like going 8-8.

Kirk Cousins is Sammy Hagar, except you’d have to pay $150 mil for the right to download “Why Can’t This Be Love?,” and it’s the only song you’re allowed to listen to for the next four years.

[Larz]

Gary cherone was in van Halen?  

[JiFtheOracle]

1.  Phenomenal analogy.  This concept has been totally lost upon every single coach to ever step foot in Jets land other than the best thing to ever happen to this franchise and in many ways was our Diamond Dave in Rex Ryan.  He was the one coach not completely scared to let a rookie/young QB go out there and make a fool himself occasionally...the results?  The best run this franchise has/will ever experience.  He even tried it again with Geno but was undermined by this terrible franchise.

2.  At least Jeff Fisher had the balls to play Goff and Young and some of the other young QB's he's had under him.  Those dudes would have never seen the field with Todd unless injury forced him to do so; see Bryce Petty.

3.  There is more than 1 way to be successful in the NFL.  Doug Marrone just turned around a pathetic franchise deploying 1950's style offense.  The Vikings, Bills, Pathers, Falcons and Titans were all run 1st play, throw less, play great D types of teams too and they all made the playoffs.  

4. Yes.  Prioritizing premium positions is a real thing and not just make believe stuff wannabe draftniks scream about.

[shawn306]

Seems like we get this every year. you get a defensive team like a Seattle shutting down Manning and everyone thinks we need to go defense. Now you get a shootout and now we need to be the Big 12.

Just go out and be the best team. Plain and simple. 

[NoBowles]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

1.  Phenomenal analogy.  This concept has been totally lost upon every single coach to ever step foot in Jets land other than the best thing to ever happen to this franchise and in many ways was our Diamond Dave in Rex Ryan.  He was the one coach not completely scared to let a rookie/young QB go out there and make a fool himself occasionally...the results?  The best run this franchise has/will ever experience.  He even tried it again with Geno but was undermined by this terrible franchise.

2.  At least Jeff Fisher had the balls to play Goff and Young and some of the other young QB's he's had under him.  Those dudes would have never seen the field with Todd unless injury forced him to do so; see Bryce Petty.

3.  There is more than 1 way to be successful in the NFL.  Doug Marrone just turned around a pathetic franchise deploying 1950's style offense.  The Vikings, Bills, Pathers, Falcons and Titans were all run 1st play, throw less, play great D types of teams too and they all made the playoffs.  

4. Yes.  Prioritizing premium positions is a real thing and not just make believe stuff wannabe draftniks scream about.

Every time I think you have some football acumen, you remind me of your love for Rex Ryan, and I realize your just not quite there yet.

[JiFtheOracle]

7 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Every time I think you have some football acumen, you remind me of your love for Rex Ryan, and I realize your just not quite there yet.

Yes, shame on me for respecting the work of the coach that has brought you the most success and excitement in your Jets fandom lifetime.

[slats]

Just listened to Fair Warning in its entirety going home on the train yesterday. Holds up! 

Enjoyed this post, I don't enjoy the Jets. The Mac/Bowles combo is just so conservative, so risk-averse, that I really can't imagine them having any success beyond a couple lucky bounces and a wild card loss. Mac has no conception of positional value, and Bowles just wants to keep games close and hope to make a play at the end with an offense he doesn't allow to play for the first 58 minutes of the game. And they're enabled by those who say things like, "but he's a really good safety!" and, "they almost won a couple other games!" It's getting tiring. 

[UnitedWhofans]

45 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

1. The David Lee Roth Theory of QB Coaching must be applied:

Van Halen was an immortal rock band ostensibly built around one of the top five best guitarists to ever pick up the instrument in Eddie Van Halen. That said, as technically gifted as Eddie was, the band’s success was driven by the cocksure, free-flowing charisma of a really, really, unqualified karaoke-level rock “singer” named David Lee Roth. When Eddie threw Dave out of the group, the band turned into a dad-rock parody of itself where it cycled through a couple of entirely underwhelming front men, ultimately ending in total collapse. The lesson as it relates to NFL quarterbacking? You need to let your sh*tty, imperfect QB go out there and be Diamond Dave, even if he sucks some weeks, and even if you have 52 Eddie Van Halens backing him up. There is no path to victory if you try to caulk the QB position with a washed up Hagar or Gary Cherone. The most important quality in any winning QB is possessing undeterred confidence, and that confidence must be fostered from the day those QBs—imperfect though they may be—walk into your building. Look at Bortles. Look at Goff. Look at Foles and Keenum: they didn’t magically become high-end, playoff-caliber QBs overnight because they were all bitten by radioactive spiders this past offseason: they performed well because their coaches treated them like they were capable of performing well. There’s an old saying I subscribe to: if you treat people like animals and they will behave as animals. Similarly, if you treat your quarterback like David Lee Roth, your team will perform as an immortal rock band.

 

2. Todd Bowles is Jeff Fisher:

Todd Bowles and Jeff Fisher wouldn’t be know how to coach David Lee Roth, and that’s why they suck. To whit: Fisher had, on his Rams roster, Nick Foles, Case Keenum, and Jared Goff and they all sucked under his tutelage because Fisher thought he could build around Aaron Donald and a bunch of DBs, while running Todd Gurley into early retirement in an attempt to hide Foles, and Keenum, and Goff. Each of those QBs were great this season when paired with coaches that trusted them. Throughout the arc of Bowles’ coaching career, he has only experienced success by wheeling out veteran journeymen QBs: Testaverde with the Jets, Bledsoe with the Cowboys, Matt Moore in Miami, Vick in Philly, Carson Palmer in Arizona; even in his playing days with the Redskins where Joe Gibbs ran out veteran stiffs and still won titles. Bottom line: Bowles, like Fisher, has developed a keen distrust in young QBs and those QBs have ended up playing like it.

 

3. The NFL is becoming the Big 12 on offense and the only thing holding it back is the Good Ol’ Boy network:

Quite simply, the NFL needs to do three things to save itself: (1) increase scoring, (2) make the game more accessible to those really fun QB prospects coming out of the spread, and (3) lessen the frequency by which their veteran players end up in a catatonic state due to CTE. The answer? Stop employing 65-year old coaches who think the only way to win is via the power-I because that’s what Ron Earhardt and Chuck Noll used to run. It’s over. The future of the game is Mike Gundy and Dabo Swinney and, yes, Chip Kelly. You can sell that, not only to advertisers and fans, but to parents who are freaking out about their children turning into Mike Webster or Junior Seau. The spread, aesthetically, appears less violent and looks more like soccer. It will also enable the emergence of a few more decent quarterbacks into the landscape of the league. Consider for a moment that one of the major conversations being had regarding the draft right now is if Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph can be integrated into the more boring, lower-scoring, more-violent NFL game, and why that leads to the entire product of the League hoping and praying that literally two prospects—Darnold and Rosen—aren’t outright failures because those two prospects represent the future marketability of the league as currently constituted. They need to create a bigger tent.

 

4. The few positions where the Jets have good players were invisible in the playoffs.

Leonard Williams is the Jets best player, but even though these playoffs featured two interior DL that are both significantly better than Williams (Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox), neither of them made a dent in the outcome of these games. Similarly, can anyone cite a big play made by any run-stuffing safeties? Malcolm Jenkins was the best safety in these playoffs and he’s actually a cornerback. The most important positions on the field in all of these games were (1) QB, (2) Edge rusher (3) Receiver and (4) Center. Currently, the Jets are threadbare at each spot.

Couple things.

1. I completely agree with your assessment on Bowles. I have thought the same thing. He won his ring with Doug Williams, a veteran backup QB. So it seems that veteran QBs are the way he likes to lean on because that is what he has had experience with and success.

2. Malcolm Jenkins is more of a Swiss Army knife guy. His main position is safety but he can play CB because he has the intuition. Players can make up for lack of athleticism with knowledge and slyness. I hope that Jamal Adams becomes our version of Malcolm Jenkins. That is a comp that I hope comes true.

3. In terms of the style of play, it seems that the NFL is in the middle of a culture clash between the old style pro offense and the spread offenses of college. I actually thought that most of this year, it was coming back to more of a balanced game, but not in that Super Bowl

[NoBowles]

4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Yes, shame on me for respecting the work of the coach that has brought you the most success and excitement in your Jets fandom lifetime.

Its funny, I have heard you say repeatedly that QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HC

Yet you trash Sanchez (rightfully so) yet praise Rex? If QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HC, didn't Sanchez' work bring you the most success and excitement in your Jets fandom lifetime?

Rex was utter garbage. He caught lightening in a bottle for two years, but his true colors came out. 

[Obrien2Toon]

18 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Every time I think you have some football acumen, you remind me of your love for Rex Ryan, and I realize your just not quite there yet.

Yeah don’t know where he was going with that

didnt Rex put a color safety thing on Sanchez

way to instill confidence 

 

[Larz]

Everybody loves to hate on Adams, but maye would have had an impact in a fast break game like that. 

Pedersen deserves all the love he is getting, but the Pats had a lot of guys super wide open last night because the eagles were biting so hard on play action 

I thought half of those ducks he chucked up were getting picked and they were easy completions 

The style and philosophy will never be as important as execution and fundamentals 

Everything matters, even the defense lol

 

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

Its funny, I have heard you say repeatedly that QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HC

Yet you trash Sanchez (rightfully so) yet praise Rex? If QB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HC, didn't Sanchez' work bring you the most success and excitement in your Jets fandom lifetime?

Rex was utter garbage. He caught lightening in a bottle for two years, but his true colors came out. 

There is another thread to do this in but I love people like you who look back on the good old days and get angry about them.  

[BUM-KNEE]

23 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

Kirk Cousins is Sammy Hagar, except you’d have to pay $150 mil for the right to download “Why Can’t This Be Love?,” and it’s the only song you’re allowed to listen to for the next four years.

As long as we can get some "Summer Nights", "Inside", "Poundcake" I think it could be a fun time.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Turns you from hunted into hunter, time to Go and hunt somebody down

[NoBowles]

Just now, JiF said:

There is another thread to do this in but I love people like you who look back on the good old days and get angry about them.  

I enjoyed having sex with my first girlfriend, doesn't mean I think she is a good person or was a good girlfriend.

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

Everybody loves to hate on Adams, but maye would have had an impact in a fast break game like that. 

Pedersen deserves all the love he is getting, but the Pats had a lot of guys super wide open last night because the eagles were biting so hard on play action 

I thought half of those ducks he chucked up were getting picked and they were easy completions 

The style and philosophy will never be as important as execution and fundamentals 

Special teams blunders forced new England to need a TD and not a field goal to win 

Everything matters, even the defense lol

 

The Jets gave up the 2nd most passing TD's in the league...it would have been worse if Adams and Maye were in the game. 

[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I enjoyed having sex with my first girlfriend, doesn't mean I think she is a good person or was a good girlfriend.

You should choose your women more wisely. 

[Larz]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

The Jets gave up the 2nd most passing TD's in the league...it would have been worse if Adams and Maye were in the game. 

Today is hate the Jets for not being the eagles day 

Yay 

[NoBowles]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

You should choose your women more wisely. 

Give me a break, I was 8

[NoBowles]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

Today is hate the Jets for not being the eagles day 

Yay 

I think a more accurate statement would be, every day is hate the Jets day for being the Jets

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, JiF said:

The Jets gave up the 2nd most passing TD's in the league...it would have been worse if Adams and Maye were in the game. 

That is true. They also gave up the 8th lowest completion percentage in the NFL.

 

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, Larz said:

Today is hate the Jets for not being the eagles day 

Yay 

I hate the Jets for being the Jets but was just making a comment on how the 2 safeties from the team that let up the 2nd most passing TD's probably werent going to change that outcome of last nights game.

[Kleckineau]

Jeff Fisher sucked and Bowles will never be as good as Fisher.

Van Halen PSL owners got bilked with Van Hagar.

[JiFtheOracle]

3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

That is true. They also gave up the 8th lowest completion percentage in the NFL.

 

Probably too busy celebrating the incompletion to pay attention to the next play which was a TD.

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Probably too busy celebrating the incompletion to pay attention to the next play which was a TD.

Maybe, but the fact of the matter is that the stats basically tell me that the Jets were a middling defense. So bringing them into this is moot IMO

[Sperm Edwards]

55 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

1. The David Lee Roth Theory of QB Coaching must be applied:

Van Halen ...

I agree, but instead of simply repping the starting post, I just wanted to give you the shivers in anticipation of a retort that dismantled it all.

That feeling when you drive past a highway patrol car and the ensuing anxiety where you aren't sure whether he clocked you at 80 or after you slowed down to 60? I take comfort in knowing I do that to you. It's like a warm blanket.