joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Setting the table for Jets' offseason: 81 days that could reshape team Will the Jets pursue Kirk Cousins this offseason? AP Photo/Alex Brandon6:00 AM ET Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer comment Now that the football part of the football season is over, it's time to focus on key dates in the offseason, looking at them through a New York Jets lens: February 5 -- The waiver period begins. Basically, this is the waving of the green flag, signaling teams they can start cutting players. The Jets have a handful of veterans on the bubble, led by Muhammad Wilkerson and Matt Forte. In Wilkerson's case, they don't have to do anything until March 15. If they don't cut him by then, his 2018 salary ($16.75 million) becomes fully guaranteed on the 16th -- and they won't let that happen. The team's intentions became clear near the end of the season, when they turned a one-game disciplinary benching into three games because they didn't want to risk having to pay a massive injury guarantee. The Jets will incur a $9 million cap hit by releasing Wilkerson, but they will realize an $11 million savings. With Forte, the numbers are $1 million and $3 million, respectively. February 20 -- Deadline for players with option bonuses.Tackle Ben Ijalana and linebacker Josh Martin each has a clause in his contract that states the team must declare 22 days before the start of the league year whether it will exercise the 2018 option. In Ijalana's case, the numbers are relatively steep -- a $500,000 option bonus, plus a $4.5 million salary. February 20-March 6 -- Period in which teams can designate franchise and transition players. This doesn't apply to the Jets, who don't have any prospective free agents who rise to that level. But they will be paying attention to the Washington Redskins. If the Redskins apply the franchise tag to Kirk Cousins, which emerged as a possibility on Sunday, it could alter the Jets' free-agent plan. If he's tagged, the Jets would have to compensate the Redskins to complete a trade in addition to signing Cousins to a long-term deal. February 27-March 5 -- Scouting combine. General manager Mike Maccagnan & Co. will trek to Indianapolis to evaluate 300-plus draft prospects. This will mark the first time the top quarterback prospects are under the same roof, an opportunity to compare them side by side. The combine also is where teams lay the groundwork for free-agent contracts and potential trades. Chances are, Maccagnan will meet with the agents for his top free agents -- Morris Claiborne, Demario Davis and Austin Seferian-Jenkins. Tampering rules prohibit teams from speaking to agents representing other teams' free agents, but that doesn't stop it from happening. Could Maccagnan have a "chance" encounter with Cousins' agent? Hey, you never know. Wink, wink. March 12-March 14 -- The "legal" tampering period. Teams are permitted to enter into negotiations with prospective unrestricted free agents. This will be a crucial window for the Jets, especially with regard to their quarterback plan. It would be risky to put all their eggs in the Cousins basket, so it's important to maintain an open line of communication with other free-agent quarterbacks -- i.e. Tyrod Taylor and Case Keenum. March 14 -- The league year and free agency begin. It's "go" time, and the Jets have the ability to be aggressive spenders. As of Feb. 5, the Jets have $72 million in projected cap space, according to overthecap.com. By March 14, that number should be at least $90 million, setting them up nicely for free agency. That doesn't take into account their own players that may re-sign before then. March 14 -- Must submit qualifying offers to restricted free agents. The Jets' top RFA is Quincy Enunwa, whom they absolutely don't want to lose. The question is whether they give him a second-round tender or a first-round tender. A year ago, those numbers were $2.7 million and $3.9 million, respectively. Enunwa is an ascending talent, but he missed last season with a neck surgery, which could complicate the decision. March 15 -- Adios, Mo (if he hasn't been released already). April 26 -- Day 1 of the draft. The Jets own the sixth pick for the third time in four years. Will they take the quarterback plunge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 @kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Pretty amazing that the beat writers let Bowles slide regarding his complete inability to get anything out of Wilkerson and Richardson, necessitating the dumping of two sub-28 year old defensive linemen who have both shown the ability to dominate at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Joe coming in hot with some newly found copy & paste skills! 2018 is gonna be gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Joe coming in hot with some newly found copy & paste skills! 2018 is gonna be gravy. WRONG if you were following along there are some sites my system won't allow me to copy and paste, so heeding to warnings from Max I only post what I can copy and paste. Cool story though bro......you're still cool with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: WRONG if you were following along there are some sites my system won't allow me to copy and paste, so heeding to warnings from Max I only post what I can copy and paste. Cool story though bro......you're still cool with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASH1962 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Pretty amazing that the beat writers let Bowles slide regarding his complete inability to get anything out of Wilkerson and Richardson, necessitating the dumping of two sub-28 year old defensive linemen who have both shown the ability to dominate at times. The whole Bowles thing is a total joke to me. How you get rewarded for consecutive 5-11 seasons is far beyond mind boggling and borders on incompetent with a side order of delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, ASH1962 said: The whole Bowles thing is a total joke to me. How you get rewarded for consecutive 5-211 seasons is far beyond mind boggling and borders on incompetent with a side order of delusion. When you have an owner that is hearing people in the profession saying this team is going to win 1-2 games and be the worst team in the NFL (no matter if the predictions are based in truth or not) and he takes that seriously, what is he to think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: If thats me then this is you!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 36 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Pretty amazing that the beat writers let Bowles slide regarding his complete inability to get anything out of Wilkerson and Richardson, necessitating the dumping of two sub-28 year old defensive linemen who have both shown the ability to dominate at times. And Revis. Bowles for all his 'they play ahard for him!" comments only the most important people on any team roster never played hard for him. The high priced vets who are supposed to be your best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: And Revis. Bowles for all his 'they play ahard for him!" comments only the most important people on any team roster never played hard for him. The high priced vets who are supposed to be your best players. Problem with that is that Revis didn't play hard for Andy Reid either. Hell, he didn't play that much. And Richardson did not really make an impression in Seattle. So the impact of that statement is lessened by the results elsewhere. Is it the players or is it the coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt39 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 My guess is they never really get serious about pursuing Cousins and they go after Trumaine Johnson hard along with drafting a CB at 6. Also guessing they overpay Demario Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, Matt39 said: My guess is they never really get serious about pursuing Cousins and they go after Trumaine Johnson hard along with drafting a CB at 6. Also guessing they overpay Demario Davis. No. They will go after a QB in the draft or FA. He's boxed himself into a corner. Malcolm Butler has also become an interesting situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Problem with that is that Revis didn't play hard for Andy Reid either. Hell, he didn't play that much. And Richardson did not really make an impression in Seattle. So the impact of that statement is lessened by the results elsewhere. Is it the players or is it the coach? It's his job to get them to play, because they didn't play well elsewhere is irrelevant. He couldn't get even one of our highest plaid players to give a sh*t. that is his job. not only that he did nothing but coddle them through the whole process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 47 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Problem with that is that Revis didn't play hard for Andy Reid either. Hell, he didn't play that much. And Richardson did not really make an impression in Seattle. So the impact of that statement is lessened by the results elsewhere. Is it the players or is it the coach? And you correctly state Richardson played just like did on the Jets since leaving the Jets!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 When do we cut Mo? We can cut him today but I have a feeling Jets will cut him as late as possible. Not to explore a trade, but to lower is value on the open market. Kind of messed up but guess he dug his own grave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, jetsjets said: When do we cut Mo? We can cut him today but I have a feeling Jets will cut him as late as possible. Not to explore a trade, but to lower is value on the open market. Kind of messed up but guess he dug his own grave Mo who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RESNewYork Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Pretty amazing that the beat writers let Bowles slide regarding his complete inability to get anything out of Wilkerson and Richardson, necessitating the dumping of two sub-28 year old defensive linemen who have both shown the ability to dominate at times. Did Sheldon out perform his two years with the Jets this previous season with the Seahawks? Stat wise he had more sacks in 15 and more tackles in 16 compared to his Seahawks season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: It's his job to get them to play, because they didn't play well elsewhere is irrelevant. He couldn't get even one of our highest plaid players to give a sh*t. that is his job. not only that he did nothing but coddle them through the whole process. Of course it's relevant. It's means that Bowles is not gong to get treated badly for those. This is not the place to attack Bowles. Where you can attack him is in his game management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Problem with that is that Revis didn't play hard for Andy Reid either. Hell, he didn't play that much. And Richardson did not really make an impression in Seattle. So the impact of that statement is lessened by the results elsewhere. Is it the players or is it the coach? Revis may not have played hard, but he actually played well for Andy Reid. He played plenty. More than 83% in 2 games and 70% in the playoffs. He seemed to dog it on running plays, but he actually was fairly strong as a cover corner for the Chiefs. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/12/15/16779528/darrelle-revis-film-review-is-it-happening-with-the-chiefs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Revis may not have played hard, but he actually played well for Andy Reid. He played plenty. More than 83% in 2 games and 70% in the playoffs. He seemed to dog it on running plays, but he actually was fairly strong as a cover corner for the Chiefs. https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/12/15/16779528/darrelle-revis-film-review-is-it-happening-with-the-chiefs That last play against Tennessee is going to set the public narrative. And why care about that? Because that is what HE cares about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: That last play against Tennessee is going to set the public narrative. And why care about that? Because that is what HE cares about Dear Lord. Every time you say narrative I throw up a little. We are not talking about narrative. We are talking about what Bowles gets out of his team. Reid and Sutton got more out of Revis who was playing a partial season for a deferred vets min. That is what we were discussing. Narrative and sports radio be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, #27TheDominator said: Dear Lord. Every time you say narrative I throw up a little. We are not talking about narrative. We are talking about what Bowles gets out of his team. Reid and Sutton got more out of Revis who was playing a partial season for a deferred vets min. That is what we were discussing. Narrative and sports radio be damned. But Narrative and media are what HE responds to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 hours ago, ASH1962 said: The whole Bowles thing is a total joke to me. How you get rewarded for consecutive 5-11 seasons is far beyond mind boggling and borders on incompetent with a side order of delusion. Nobody was rewarded. The issue is woody doesn't want to be bothered with a house cleaning while he is in London. It's not any better, but I keep seeing this sentiment that Bowles was rewarded when really he just didn't piss off the substitute teacher No coaches were coming here with an absentee owner anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Beerfish said: It's his job to get them to play, because they didn't play well elsewhere is irrelevant. He couldn't get even one of our highest plaid players to give a sh*t. that is his job. not only that he did nothing but coddle them through the whole process. What happened with Wilkerson is all on him. I get you wanna pile on the hate with Bowles but he can only do so much with a lazy player who shows no motivation to keep going while things are bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: What happened with Wilkerson is all on him. I get you wanna pile on the hate with Bowles but he can only do so much with a lazy player who shows no motivation to keep going while things are bad. Can we fault them for giving him the contract? I mean, they had to know he was lazy. They had the whole year to figure it out, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: What happened with Wilkerson is all on him. I get you wanna pile on the hate with Bowles but he can only do so much with a lazy player who shows no motivation to keep going while things are bad. The main problem I have with Bowles is game management. Good coach Monday-Saturday, bad coach on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, #27TheDominator said: Can we fault them for giving him the contract? I mean, they had to know he was lazy. They had the whole year to figure it out, right? The difference is that playing well is the deodorant. You can get away with apparent laziness if you play well. ONce that stopped, the laziness becomes a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: The difference is that playing well is the deodorant. You can get away with apparent laziness if you play well. ONce that stopped, the laziness becomes a problem So Wilkerson doesn't play well and that is not the coaches fault? Apparent laziness is not a reason to keep you from giving him the largest contract for a 3-4DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: So Wilkerson doesn't play well and that is not the coaches fault? Apparent laziness is not a reason to keep you from giving him the largest contract for a 3-4DE? Why are the Giants having a dilemma with OBJ? Same reason. Playing well masks transgressions. And WR is a less valuable position than a pass rusher, at least according to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Can we fault them for giving him the contract? I mean, they had to know he was lazy. They had the whole year to figure it out, right? They took a chance with it. And lost. It is what it is. But they're able to move on this off season and will. Live and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I will also say that certain members of the media saying that they had to keep Wilkerson probably floated back to you know who and he pushed Macc to keep him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, MDL_JET said: They took a chance with it. And lost. It is what it is. But they're able to move on this off season and will. Live and learn. Yeah. They will move on and they will only pay him $9M for the privilege. They will have paid him $37M for two lousy years. They will have pushed $9M of it to 2018 so that they could afford to pay Fitzpatrick. These things should not bother me because we are out from under these bad contracts in a couple of years. They don't learn sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Why are the Giants having a dilemma with OBJ? Same reason. Playing well masks transgressions. Ah, okay. Guy plays well that is a problem. Guy is lazy, that isn't the coaches fault. Guy stops playing well that isn't the coaches fault. GM gives the guy a max deal, that isn't his fault. Once again, it is the media. ******* Woody stayed out of Herm's hair, he stayed out of Mangini's hair and he stayed out of it for Rex and Idzik. About the only time he got involved was to keep Rex on board - a bad idea in hindsight but somewhat understandable with a flawed coach that had seen such success. Now he is demanding every bad signing - Revis, Fitzpatrick, Wilkerson. I'm sure Woody and media thought the idea of Josh McCown was just peachy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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