Fill in the Holes

[BigO]

Back to back disappointing seasons. More holes on this team than a barrel of Swiss cheese.  Fill in the more pressing holes. 

QB - I’d prefer Mac draft one instead of signing a FA since we’d have more cash. 

LT - We need an elite LT. There’s a few in the draft that can be had on round 2 that can sit a year behind Beech. 

C - A center is crucial this year. Either thru FA or the draft where there are 2 excellent ones. 

RT - Again an upgrade is needed. Shell provides good depth but we need a better player here. 

TE - Not a big ASJ fan. I feel we could do much better.

WR1 - We have to get a #1 go to guy.  We have 4 jags and a huge ? mark in Enunwa.

RB - We need a bell cow RB. It’s time. 

Edge - We need a pass rusher. It’s time.

MLB - We need a MLB to be the QB of this defense. Our LB’s SUCK. 

CB - Shutdown corner or close to it. 

Nickel back - Skrine needs to go. 

Thats 11 positions that would upgrade the talent level AND rebuild an extremely floundering foundation. But who? How much? We only have so much money and only so many picks.

 

[Maxman]

22 minutes ago, BigO said:

Back to back disappointing seasons. More holes on this team than a barrel of Swiss cheese.  Fill in the more pressing holes. 

QB - I’d prefer Mac draft one instead of signing a FA since we’d have more cash. 

LT - We need an elite LT. There’s a few in the draft that can be had on round 2 that can sit a year behind Beech. 

C - A center is crucial this year. Either thru FA or the draft where there are 2 excellent ones. 

RT - Again an upgrade is needed. Shell provides good depth but we need a better player here. 

TE - Not a big ASJ fan. I feel we could do much better.

WR1 - We have to get a #1 go to guy.  We have 4 jags and a huge ? mark in Enunwa.

RB - We need a bell cow RB. It’s time. 

Edge - We need a pass rusher. It’s time.

MLB - We need a MLB to be the QB of this defense. Our LB’s SUCK. 

CB - Shutdown corner or close to it. 

Nickel back - Skrine needs to go. 

Thats 11 positions that would upgrade the talent level AND rebuild an extremely floundering foundation. But who? How much? We only have so much money and only so many picks.

 

For the 3 bolded positions the guy was on the team last year. All three will be back and starting. This team has a lot of positions to upgrade. They are fine at those as long as last years starter is back.

QB is obviously the biggest need. With the new oline coach and Bates being promoted I would be shocked if Center wasn't one of the top priorities.

1. QB

2 & 3 = center and edge rusher

[RedBeardedSavage]

As far as the immediate future, we should be addressing quarterback and the interior offensive line this year.  If I had to set priorities for this offseason, those two would be the pillars; that's where the opportunities are this offseason.  

I'm not a big Kirk Cousins admirer, but he's clearly a top third of the league quarterback.  It's been said this is a great quarterback draft class as well.  Ideally, we would be picking in the top three and thus guarantee ourselves one of the consensus top three: Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield.  But we pick six.  And you can't plan to be lucky.  That's why I argue for making a big push to sign Cousins.  He fits the Bates/Dennison system, he's young enough to build around, he's available and we have the money.  Is he truly elite?  No. 

But the next best option is trading up in the draft to secure ourselves one of the top three quarterbacks.  It's a plan B because we don't know the price (and might not be willing to pay it) and we don't know which pick and what quarterback we could presumably get.  There are too many variables and we can't plan for this at this point in the process.  

We're likely to cut Carpenter because of the cap savings, his age and his deteriorating play.  So on top of needing a center, we'll need a guard.  Jensen from Baltimore seems like the only good center available right now so we need to make a big play for him.  Luckily there are three good guards presumably available this year in Norwell, Pugh, and Kline.  Sign one of them.  

Start the offseason like that, signing Cousins, Jensen, and one of those guards and we'll be much improved with a lot of cap leftover and the draft to address other needs.  There are some offensive tackles, cornerbacks and pass rushers being spoken about in the first two rounds that could be worthwhile.  There's also Allen Robinson and Demarcus Lawrence that could be available in free agency if we're willing to spend and they're willing to sign here. 

And if we can't get Cousins, we should still sign those offensive linemen I mentioned earlier and then target a quarterback in the draft we love and be aggressive; trade up for him.  

[rangerous]

4 hours ago, BigO said:

Back to back disappointing seasons. More holes on this team than a barrel of Swiss cheese.  Fill in the more pressing holes. 

QB - I’d prefer Mac draft one instead of signing a FA since we’d have more cash. 

LT - We need an elite LT. There’s a few in the draft that can be had on round 2 that can sit a year behind Beech. 

C - A center is crucial this year. Either thru FA or the draft where there are 2 excellent ones. 

RT - Again an upgrade is needed. Shell provides good depth but we need a better player here. 

TE - Not a big ASJ fan. I feel we could do much better.

WR1 - We have to get a #1 go to guy.  We have 4 jags and a huge ? mark in Enunwa.

RB - We need a bell cow RB. It’s time. 

Edge - We need a pass rusher. It’s time.

MLB - We need a MLB to be the QB of this defense. Our LB’s SUCK. 

CB - Shutdown corner or close to it. 

Nickel back - Skrine needs to go. 

Thats 11 positions that would upgrade the talent level AND rebuild an extremely floundering foundation. But who? How much? We only have so much money and only so many picks.

 

yep, the team needs a lot of upgrades.  but so does every team. it's important to assess priority and right now, imo, it's qb, CB, wr1, C, rb, lt, olb/edge, g.  this assumes they re-sign davis, asj, and claiborne.  and then there's how elite of a player they need at each position.  they can continue with the rb by committee and replace forte.  wr1 is an elite position.  qb may not be elite but he certainly needs to be top 10 or 12.  CB needs to be elite.  the rest of the positions rely more on the guy playing next to them so they need to be good players but not great.

[HessStation]

I think Beachum and Shell are pretty much locks to start this season.Beachum was solid and Shell is developing 

[bla bla bla]

I do expect us to get ASJ, Claiborne, and Davis back. For me I'm equally happy to get Cousins or a QB at 6, Norwell or Nelson, I'd like to target a WR but it's not a high priority for me this year.

Priorities for FA:

Center and CB

Priorities for Draft:

Edger Rusher and RB

[Fantasy Island]

Was totally expecting something very different with this thread title.

[BCJet]

Why dont we just list every position and shoot for 22 all-pro players, seems realistic.

It amazes me that people think we have an issue at MLB with the way Demario played, he should be resigned and should man the position for 3/4 years.

We also dont need to upgrade Kelvin Beachem.  He isn't elite, but he is more then adequate if you add an actual professional center to the line.

Free agency should focus on 2 CBs, and Ryan Jensen at center and possibly a WR (paul richardson is a very interesting option) and then cousins

If we get cousins we can find an edge player and RB  in the second round, and BPA, possibly Quentin Nelson at 6.  If we dont get cousins, then we spend on a guard in FA and draft Mayfield or Darnold at 6.

[HawkeyeJet]

Not all the positions in the original post are holes.  There is a difference between a hole(Center, CB, RB) and not having a high end starter.  LT and RT aren't holes.  WR isn't a hole.  TE(with ASJ) isn't a hole. Could they be upgraded?  Sure, they could.  Should they be before other areas?  No.

[T0mShane]

Seems the most likely way it plays out is this: 

 

QB: Cousins to Denver or Minnesota. Darnold and Rosen come off the board ahead of us. Likely Mayfield comes off the board, as well. Jets, prior to the draft, sign McCown and a mid-tier FA (Cutler or Bradford). No way they draft Josh Allen at 6 because they can’t wait for him to learn how to throw a football. Instead, it’ll be another summer of stories about how much Hack is improving. McCown or Bradford start Week One. 

 

CB: this will be where the sixth overall pick is spent, guaranteed, book it, lock it up, in the bag. 

 

OL is where the bulk of free agent dollars get spent. James Carpenter gets cut. Brandon Shell gets replaced by a fringe vet. 

[Pcola]

For Center, I would prefer to draft one.  There are several prospects ranked in the top 100.  

Spending a ton in free agency for either Richburg (major concussion issues) or Jensen (5 year Pro with one year as a starter) doesn’t sound too smart.  

Pass rusher should be the #2 priority after QB.  At this point, I don’t give a crap who the draft, they just need to get after the QB.

I’m not going to beat a dead horse on the QB, but either Macc spends $30M+ on Cousins (an elite-ish productive vet) or we are going to settle for a second tier (or worse - as usual) QB prospect where we can “rally behind McCown” for the next couple of seasons while we “groom” Allen or Mayfield into being busts while Cousins and Rosen become perennial playoff QBs.  I didn’t mention Darnold because whoever goes to Cle is doomed.

[BurnleyJet]

2 minutes ago, Pcola said:

For Center, I would prefer to draft one.  There are several prospects ranked in the top 100.  

Spending a ton in free agency for either Richburg (major concussion issues) or Jensen (5 year Pro with one year as a starter) doesn’t sound too smart.  

Pass rusher should be the #2 priority after QB.  At this point, I don’t give a crap who the draft, they just need to get after the QB.

I’m not going to beat a dead horse on the QB, but either Macc spends $30M+ on Cousins (an elite-ish productive vet) or we are going to settle for a second tier (or worse - as usual) QB prospect where we can “rally behind McCown” for the next couple of seasons while we “groom” Allen or Mayfield into being busts while Cousins and Rosen become perennial playoff QBs.  I didn’t mention Darnold because whoever goes to Cle is doomed.

Agreed, what happens in the QB FA market will decide a lot on the other positions like center. If we get Kirk then we will be keeping all our picks and may even be drafting out of #6 for more picks.  If we are all in on a QB in the Draft, we may be moving up, in which case we may go Center in FA, since we will be using our 2nd rounder(s) to move up.

[BurnleyJet]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Seems the most likely way it plays out is this: 

 

QB: Cousins to Denver or Minnesota. Darnold and Rosen come off the board ahead of us. Likely Mayfield comes off the board, as well. Jets, prior to the draft, sign McCown and a mid-tier FA (Cutler or Bradford). No way they draft Josh Allen at 6 because they can’t wait for him to learn how to throw a football. Instead, it’ll be another summer of stories about how much Hack is improving. McCown or Bradford start Week One. 

 

CB: this will be where the sixth overall pick is spent, guaranteed, book it, lock it up, in the bag. 

 

OL is where the bulk of free agent dollars get spent. James Carpenter gets cut. Brandon Shell gets replaced by a fringe vet. 

If this is the case, I'd sooner take a shot at a prove it deal with Bridgewater, then move out of #6 and load up for next years draft.

The one that fooks it all up is, Andrew Luck  who I thinks is done. Then Indy take a QB, I just hope their stupid enough to Draft Allen?

[Patriot Killa]

17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Seems the most likely way it plays out is this: 

 

QB: Cousins to Denver or Minnesota. Darnold and Rosen come off the board ahead of us. Likely Mayfield comes off the board, as well. Jets, prior to the draft, sign McCown and a mid-tier FA (Cutler or Bradford). No way they draft Josh Allen at 6 because they can’t wait for him to learn how to throw a football. Instead, it’ll be another summer of stories about how much Hack is improving. McCown or Bradford start Week One. 

 

CB: this will be where the sixth overall pick is spent, guaranteed, book it, lock it up, in the bag. 

 

OL is where the bulk of free agent dollars get spent. James Carpenter gets cut. Brandon Shell gets replaced by a fringe vet. 

I’m not going to lie..you actually just broke my heart. Holy sh*t.

[usanyj]

21 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

I’m not going to lie..you actually just broke my heart. Holy sh*t.

Yeah, that was pretty brutal....and realistic.

[UntouchableCrew]

Normally I could see it playing out that way... Would be very Jetsy.

But I do feel like Maccagnan must know he will likely lose his job if we walk into 2018 with McCown and/or Bradford at QB. He has to get Cousins or one of the top three QBs in the draft. Spend the money or trade up.

[MDL_JET]

Major holes : QB, Center, and Pass rusher. Get it done mac attack.

 

 

[LIJetsFan]

2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Major holes : QB, Center, and Pass rusher. Get it done mac attack.

 

 

With our cap & draft equity this doesn't seem out of reach but I've lost faith in Mac.  

[Beerfish]

At least we filled those two really small holes lower right with our ilbs and safeties.

[TuscanyTile2]

I think I've heard Nate Solder is available.  Maybe sign him and a center (people say Ryan Jensen?) and draft Nelson at #6.  That fixes the OL. 

In the 2nd round draft a QB (Kyle Lauletta?  Mason Rudolph?) and RB (Sony Michel?)   

Sign a free agent WR and McCown (for when my 2nd round QB busts).

Then let Hackenberg be the starter when McCown goes down.

[nycdan]

Nelson looks like he'll be great, but we can get a guy who is already great in Andrew Norwell without having to burn a top pick on G.  

Also, I think we either need to sign Cousins or trade up now (before the draft).  Staying at 6 without Cousins worries me.

[Jetster]

3 hours ago, HessStation said:

I think Beachum and Shell are pretty much locks to start this season.Beachum was solid and Shell is developing 

The weakness on the Oline was in the middle last year. Carpenter regressed, Wesley Johnson stinks, Winters played hurt & should be 100% & much better in 2018.

The Fix? Sign Jensen & Norwell & cut Carpenter...BAM! They are not replacing Beachum or Shell & signing Cousins will change the time these guys need to hold blocks. McCowns biggest flaw was holding on to the ball too long & our running game was horrific on short yardage hence the Dennison signing. Norwell-Jensen-Healthy Winters (huge upgrade) with just 2 signings.

QB- Cousins (QB problem solved).

CB- Resign Claiborne & sign T. Johnson/ Fuller or Gaines

Pass Rusher- Hope Bradley Chubb falls to 6, if not look again with your two second rounders.

RB- Take BPA at #2- whoever falls, Michel, Jones, Guice, Chubb?

* Cousins signing improves your TE position no matter who is there. ASJ- Tomlinson- Leggett-Sterling fight it out for playing time. Upgrade at QB will expose the best guys.

Bates working with a guy who knows the offense like Cousins and having the veteran WRs in Kearse & Enunwa (praying he's 100%), 2nd WRs Hansen & Stewart (Can we as fans LET PLAYERS DEVELOP?), and the boneheaded Anderson, are definitely enough if Dennison gets the running game going with better interior lineman & more explosive RBs. 

With just 4 free agents in this scenario (Cousins-CB- Jensen- Norwell), the team is VASTLY improved in critical areas from last year. I'm sure they'll have more dollars for some low level signings after the 1st wave of free agency too. 

We'll also have guys coming off IR- Xavier Coleman (CB), Dylan Donahue (LB), Enunwa (hopefully), Jordan Leggett (TE), Lorenzo Mauldin (can he finally develop?), Doug Middleton (S), Charone Peake (WR), Devin Smith (WR- not likely but you never know), Ed Stinson (DL). 

Then you have practice squad stashes. Jalin Marshall (Can he mature? He has skills!), and Stringfellow is interesting at 6-2" & 222 Lbs. 

* Macc has hit on guys at the bottom of rosters like Anderson here & Foster in Houston. 

This team with the right moves #1 getting a damn QB & #2 fixing the interior of the Olin could make a profound difference with the addition of an explosive RB. All of these things are possible with the free agent dollars & 3 top picks in 50. Exciting offseason to come.

 

[TuscanyTile2]

25 minutes ago, nycdan said:

Nelson looks like he'll be great, but we can get a guy who is already great in Andrew Norwell without having to burn a top pick on G.  

Also, I think we either need to sign Cousins or trade up now (before the draft).  Staying at 6 without Cousins worries me.

Didn't realize that.  I wouldn't hate the idea of getting both (Norwell and Nelson).  It would be interesting to REALLY control the O-line and see if we could beat teams with that approach. 

[k-met57]

8 hours ago, BigO said:

Back to back disappointing seasons. More holes on this team than a barrel of Swiss cheese.  Fill in the more pressing holes. 

QB - I’d prefer Mac draft one instead of signing a FA since we’d have more cash. 

LT - We need an elite LT. There’s a few in the draft that can be had on round 2 that can sit a year behind Beech. 

C - A center is crucial this year. Either thru FA or the draft where there are 2 excellent ones. 

RT - Again an upgrade is needed. Shell provides good depth but we need a better player here. 

TE - Not a big ASJ fan. I feel we could do much better.

WR1 - We have to get a #1 go to guy.  We have 4 jags and a huge ? mark in Enunwa.

RB - We need a bell cow RB. It’s time. 

Edge - We need a pass rusher. It’s time.

MLB - We need a MLB to be the QB of this defense. Our LB’s SUCK. 

CB - Shutdown corner or close to it. 

Nickel back - Skrine needs to go. 

Thats 11 positions that would upgrade the talent level AND rebuild an extremely floundering foundation. But who? How much? We only have so much money and only so many picks.

 

so lets recap...

we need:

 

find a QB - has only taken 40 years and counting

find an Elite LT - because they grow on trees and in second rounds

sign one of two best available FA centers - because there isnt every other team in the NFL

Find a top talent TE - because, why not...who are you signing?

find a number 1 WR - should we look for one in the second round maybe??

find an every down RB - sure, why not...they are all over the place

find a productive pass rusher - because they grow on trees or roam in the later rounds of the draft

find a shutdown corner - see pass rusher

find a starting nickel back - see shutdown corner

 

anything else? your gold shoes not too tight? are these all madden deals? i would be shocked, i repeat shocked...if 2 or 3 of the above things happen.

[joewilly12]

[peebag]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Normally I could see it playing out that way... Would be very Jetsy.

But I do feel like Maccagnan must know he will likely lose his job if we walk into 2018 with McCown and/or Bradford at QB. He has to get Cousins or one of the top three QBs in the draft. Spend the money or trade up.

This.  No way either Mac or Bowles go into next season without a definitive answer for QB.  That's just not going to happen.

Unless the Johnsons have giving them carte blanche for a couple seasons and I don't buy that.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, peebag said:

This.  No way either Mac or Bowles go into next season without a definitive answer for QB.  That's just not going to happen.

Unless the Johnsons have giving them carte blanche for a couple seasons and I don't buy that.

Do you think it can be a guy that needs a couple of years to develop (like Josh Allen) though?  I feel like even that would be off the table.  I think Cousins, Darnold, Rosen and possibly Mayfield are the realistic choices to be worthy of being a starter this coming year.  Allen and a couple of the other options might need some time.

[UntouchableCrew]

Do you think it can be a guy that needs a couple of years to develop (like Josh Allen) though?  I feel like even that would be off the table.  I think Cousins, Darnold, Rosen and possibly Mayfield are the realistic choices to be worthy of being a starter this coming year.  Allen and a couple of the other options might need some time.

I agree. No redshirt years will fly in 2018. Whoever we acquire will start.


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[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Interesting that the Jets traded Sheldon and are about to cut Mo and dline is not identified as a need, no argument from me, they did fine without Mo but that's two decent 1st round picks that the jets will not miss at all - have to fix draft priorities

QB, #1 CB, Center and a 3rd round RB would make the Jets competitive

Edge Rusher would give them a chance in the playoffs

[joewilly12]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

 

I agree. No redshirt years will fly in 2018. Whoever we acquire will start.


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Good or bad it has to happen..pacification by means of Josh McCown will surely get Macc and Bowles fired. 

[Larz]

can't do it in 1 off season. The focus has to be cornerstone foundation type talent.

Get the QB

Protect the QB

Rush the QB

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

 

I agree. No redshirt years will fly in 2018. Whoever we acquire will start.


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I would love to agree, but have you met Todd Bowles?  I think he will go down with the ship starting McCown if he's back rather than let a rookie anywhere near the field, even in blowouts.  I hope I'm wrong about him.

[Larz]

2 minutes ago, nycdan said:

 

I would love to agree, but have you met Todd Bowles?  I think he will go down with the ship starting McCown if he's back rather than let a rookie anywhere near the field, even in blowouts.  I hope I'm wrong about him.

Adams and Maye played because they showed they could handle it

Don't suck and you can play.

[nycdan]

4 minutes ago, Larz said:

Adams and Maye played because they showed they could handle it

Don't suck and you can play.

Perhaps but we also had exactly 3 healthy Safeties most of the season.  So it wasn't like Bowles had ANY choice there.  But if we bring McCown back, that's like Todd's woobie.  He'll have a choice and he will certainly not hesitate to play the 'best chance to win' card.  I hope you're right, but what if TB truly feels McCown gives us a better chance in week 1 than Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield or Allen.  Then let's say McCown plays like last year.  Just good enough.  is Bowles going to bench him when the rookie's are further along?  I'm not feeling it yet.

[Philc1]

The two biggest holes are GM and Head Coach