rangerous Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 a report today says that the alex smith trade has not been finalized and that smith may back out due to the franchise talk of cousins. okay so it's mike florio but the point still remains that a deal isn't a deal until all of the papers are signed. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/could-alex-smith-trade-fall-193804269.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I thought you said not to put a fly in the ointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 This would be great news for us, as it has been reported if Cleveland were to aquire Alex Smith, the Browns would “aggressively shop the #1 pick.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I think Alex is going into a bad situation, maybe he chooses not to sign an extension with them? That would either blow up the deal or the Redskins may give up less for the 1 year rental. I hope he goes to Cleveland and they shop #1, I could see the Redskins tagging Cousins and attempting a trade at that point if Smith weren't on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 If the Skin's let their trade void because of their refusal to cut Cousins, that would be the absolute dumbest move by an NFL franchise of all time, and all anyone talks about on radio for several days. Talk about whipping up a toxic cocktail. Can you imagine them going into the season with a completely pissed off Kirk Cousins as their QB? But hey, Snyder would have gotten the moral victory there, right? The only way it could get any better is if they give in and cut Cousins and Smith then still screws them over (McDaniels style). I wouldn't blame him a bit for balking at signing with that idiotic team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Witchcraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 That's the problem with making a deal so long before it can be finalized, you've got plenty of time to come up with reasons to back out. I'd be very surprised if Washington placed the franchise tag on Cousins again, so I don't expect that to be the deal breaker. With Smith's contract made public, a team like Cleveland could get the word to him that they'd've been happy to pay him considerably more than that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, slats said: That's the problem with making a deal so long before it can be finalized, you've got plenty of time to come up with reasons to back out. I'd be very surprised if Washington placed the franchise tag on Cousins again, so I don't expect that to be the deal breaker. With Smith's contract made public, a team like Cleveland could get the word to him that they'd've been happy to pay him considerably more than that, though. True, but it's KC that made the trade. They would also have to pony up the pick and player combo to match or beat what WAS offered. Not that they couldn't but it is a factor. One thing I don't think is a factor is KC being concerned that trading Alex Smith to CLE creates a barrier to them getting to the Super Bowl any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TuscanyTile2 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, rangerous said: a report today says that the alex smith trade has not been finalized and that smith may back out due to the franchise talk of cousins. okay so it's mike florio but the point still remains that a deal isn't a deal until all of the papers are signed. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/could-alex-smith-trade-fall-193804269.html I've been saying Alex Smith will be a NY Jet next year for a while now. I guess the door on that is back open. And fwiw, I think I'd almost prefer Smith to Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: I've been saying Alex Smith will be a NY Jet next year for a while now. I guess the door on that is back open. And fwiw, I think I'd almost prefer Smith to Cousins. Oh no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I think Alex is going into a bad situation, maybe he chooses not to sign an extension with them? That would either blow up the deal or the Redskins may give up less for the 1 year rental. I hope he goes to Cleveland and they shop #1, I could see the Redskins tagging Cousins and attempting a trade at that point if Smith weren't on the roster. The Redskins are offering Smith a significantly better contract than he’d get on the open market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: Oh no I'm not for the idea of either Smith or Cousins being our starter btw. I'm just saying that if I had to choose between the 2 I'd take Smth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, TuscanyTile2 said: I'm not for the idea of either Smith or Cousins being our starter btw. I'm just saying that if I had to choose between the 2 I'd take Smth. Smith would be exposed here. He wouldn’t be a disaster like Geno he just wouldn’t be good plus knowing how Macagnan is he like give him a $50 million extension after trading picks for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, nycdan said: True, but it's KC that made the trade. They would also have to pony up the pick and player combo to match or beat what WAS offered. Not that they couldn't but it is a factor. One thing I don't think is a factor is KC being concerned that trading Alex Smith to CLE creates a barrier to them getting to the Super Bowl any time soon I'd say that if Smith nixed the contract extension, then Washington would nix the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 can't be finalized until march I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 This would be great we would have a qb that can see over the poor OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 If I read the article correctly, Wash is intent on having the deal with Alex Smith go through. When Shefter reported that their were idiots inside of Wash still considering tagging Cousins, that all of the theories were being analyzed. Now if Wash tags Cousins, it would be prior to the league year and before the Alex trade and extension can be finalized. If Wash were to franchise Cousins, he would sign it, or at least threaten to sign it. That would guarantee the 2018 salary and make Cousins un-tradeable. With $34M of their cap sunk into Cousins, Smith and Wash would mutually back out of their deal. This is why Wash will not be able to tag Cousins. They screwed this up two years ago. They should have traded him two years ago when they could have got a #1 pick for him. Now, they are overpaying a QB that is essentially, an older. Erosion of a poor man’s Kirk Cousins. They didn’t get any playoff games out of it and will only recoup a bottom 3rd round comp pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bla bla bla Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Philc1 said: The Redskins are offering Smith a significantly better contract than he’d get on the open market I don't know what Smith would get on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bla bla bla Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Pcola said: If I read the article correctly, Wash is intent on having the deal with Alex Smith go through. When Shefter reported that their were idiots inside of Wash still considering tagging Cousins, that all of the theories were being analyzed. Now if Wash tags Cousins, it would be prior to the league year and before the Alex trade and extension can be finalized. If Wash were to franchise Cousins, he would sign it, or at least threaten to sign it. That would guarantee the 2018 salary and make Cousins un-tradeable. With $34M of their cap sunk into Cousins, Smith and Wash would mutually back out of their deal. This is why Wash will not be able to tag Cousins. They screwed this up two years ago. They should have traded him two years ago when they could have got a #1 pick for him. Now, they are overpaying a QB that is essentially, an older. Erosion of a poor man’s Kirk Cousins. They didn’t get any playoff games out of it and will only recoup a bottom 3rd round comp pick. I don't think they would tag Cousins unless they had a deal in place to move him. I still think Cleveland makes a lot of sense and they may be able to get him for the first pick in the 4th round (comparable to the 2019 3rd round comp pick they'd receive). They already offered a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith as a 1 year rental at $20M. I think they genuinely have too much money and too many draft picks to spend on a team that already has 55 players under contract for next year, they may decide Kirk on a 1 year deal is better than just writing a check to the NFLPA for not hitting the cap floor. Plus if they let Cousins walk they'd receive the comp 3rd round pick so it is really only money they'd lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I don't think they would tag Cousins unless they had a deal in place to move him. I still think Cleveland makes a lot of sense and they may be able to get him for the first pick in the 4th round (comparable to the 2019 3rd round comp pick they'd receive). They already offered a 2nd round pick for Alex Smith as a 1 year rental at $20M. I think they genuinely have too much money and too many draft picks to spend on a team that already has 55 players under contract for next year, they may decide Kirk on a 1 year deal is better than just writing a check to the NFLPA for not hitting the cap floor. Plus if they let Cousins walk they'd receive the comp 3rd round pick so it is really only money they'd lose. Cousins would have a lot to say before he gets traded. Wash could trade him and the new team could use the franchise tag but what team would want to give up a premium draft pick for the right to negotiate with that player. There is no incentive for Cousins to do anything that would equate to anything less than unrestricted free agency. I understand why Cleveland would want to do something like this. They have struck out on McCarron, Garapolo, and now A. Smith. But based on what their team reporters are putting out, their new consultant (and old GM of Wash) has said less than complimentary things about Cousins, and they would prefer to use the top pick in this draft on a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Pcola said: If Wash were to franchise Cousins, he would sign it, or at least threaten to sign it. That would guarantee the 2018 salary and make Cousins un-tradeable. With $34M of their cap sunk into Cousins, Smith and Wash would mutually back out of their deal. Absolutely untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pcola Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Paradis said: Absolutely untrue. I’m going off the assumption that no GM would be dumb enough to trade a pick inside the first three rounds for a one year rental of Cousins for $34M+. There is zero incentive for Cousins to comply with any of this. Why would he want to help Washington? I think all of these conspiracy theories are entertaining, but in reality, anything Washing does from here forward, will make their own situation worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 6 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I've been saying Alex Smith will be a NY Jet next year for a while now. I guess the door on that is back open. And fwiw, I think I'd almost prefer Smith to Cousins. I don't think it I know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mogglez Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Alex Smith 'jacked' at opportunity to join Redskins Alex Smith is the Washington Redskins newest starting quarterback, and he's already looking forward to the experience. The 33-year-old was back home in San Francisco on Thursday, and made an appearance on KNBR 680 to talk all things offseason, including the trade that saw him swap the AFC West for the NFC East. After the Chiefs made it clear that they viewed Patrick Mahomes III as the future of the franchise, it's needless to say that Smith was ready to jump at the opportunity of becoming the Redskins' starting quarterback. "I'm jacked. I'm really excited," Smith said. "Once I found out that things in Kansas City were going in a different direction, I was pumped at the opportunity and when Washington came calling I was hopeful that was a possible destination and I'm just jacked that it worked out and that they wanted me because the feelings were mutual and I'm looking forward to it." Smith will enjoy a reunion with former teammate Vernon Davis when he suits up in D.C. next season, as the duo played together with the 49ers for six season after being draft one year apart in 2005 and 2006 respectively. In fact, the 34-year-old tight end was one of the first to reach out when news of the trade first leaked. "[Davis] was one of the first guys when [the news] broke that hit me up on the phone," Smith said. "I'm excited." Some have scoffed at the idea of the Redskins signing Smith to a lengthy contract extension. At nearly 34 years old, Smith's four-year, $94 million deal represents a huge commitment to an aging quarterback, but the former no. 1 overall pick believes he still has plenty in the tank. So much so that he's not yet able to see the sunset he'll eventually walk into. "I feel amazing, I feel great," Smith ensured. "I feel like the last five or six years have flown by. I've had more fun than I've ever had playing the game. The challenge of it, my body feels great, so yeah, I do feel like I can't see the horizon at this point. People keep asking me that and I don't see it in the near future. Obviously things change, but I'm just loving what I'm doing too much and the challenge of it. I still haven't gotten [to the Super Bowl] obviously and you're after that big one, right? You're trying to do whatever you can and figure it out and find the answer. Totally sounds like a guy ready to bail on a trade. This is why people make fun of Mike Florio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Smith 'jacked' at opportunity to join Redskins Alex Smith is the Washington Redskins newest starting quarterback, and he's already looking forward to the experience. The 33-year-old was back home in San Francisco on Thursday, and made an appearance on KNBR 680 to talk all things offseason, including the trade that saw him swap the AFC West for the NFC East. After the Chiefs made it clear that they viewed Patrick Mahomes III as the future of the franchise, it's needless to say that Smith was ready to jump at the opportunity of becoming the Redskins' starting quarterback. "I'm jacked. I'm really excited," Smith said. "Once I found out that things in Kansas City were going in a different direction, I was pumped at the opportunity and when Washington came calling I was hopeful that was a possible destination and I'm just jacked that it worked out and that they wanted me because the feelings were mutual and I'm looking forward to it." Smith will enjoy a reunion with former teammate Vernon Davis when he suits up in D.C. next season, as the duo played together with the 49ers for six season after being draft one year apart in 2005 and 2006 respectively. In fact, the 34-year-old tight end was one of the first to reach out when news of the trade first leaked. "[Davis] was one of the first guys when [the news] broke that hit me up on the phone," Smith said. "I'm excited." Some have scoffed at the idea of the Redskins signing Smith to a lengthy contract extension. At nearly 34 years old, Smith's four-year, $94 million deal represents a huge commitment to an aging quarterback, but the former no. 1 overall pick believes he still has plenty in the tank. So much so that he's not yet able to see the sunset he'll eventually walk into. "I feel amazing, I feel great," Smith ensured. "I feel like the last five or six years have flown by. I've had more fun than I've ever had playing the game. The challenge of it, my body feels great, so yeah, I do feel like I can't see the horizon at this point. People keep asking me that and I don't see it in the near future. Obviously things change, but I'm just loving what I'm doing too much and the challenge of it. I still haven't gotten [to the Super Bowl] obviously and you're after that big one, right? You're trying to do whatever you can and figure it out and find the answer.
dbatesman Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Alex Smith 'jacked' at opportunity to join Redskins I’m into a lot of weird sh*t, but I’ve never jacked it to a trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, bla bla bla said: I don't know what Smith would get on the open market. He’s not getting $70 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Alex Smith 'jacked' at opportunity to join Redskins Alex Smith is the Washington Redskins newest starting quarterback, and he's already looking forward to the experience. The 33-year-old was back home in San Francisco on Thursday, and made an appearance on KNBR 680 to talk all things offseason, including the trade that saw him swap the AFC West for the NFC East. After the Chiefs made it clear that they viewed Patrick Mahomes III as the future of the franchise, it's needless to say that Smith was ready to jump at the opportunity of becoming the Redskins' starting quarterback. "I'm jacked. I'm really excited," Smith said. "Once I found out that things in Kansas City were going in a different direction, I was pumped at the opportunity and when Washington came calling I was hopeful that was a possible destination and I'm just jacked that it worked out and that they wanted me because the feelings were mutual and I'm looking forward to it." Smith will enjoy a reunion with former teammate Vernon Davis when he suits up in D.C. next season, as the duo played together with the 49ers for six season after being draft one year apart in 2005 and 2006 respectively. In fact, the 34-year-old tight end was one of the first to reach out when news of the trade first leaked. "[Davis] was one of the first guys when [the news] broke that hit me up on the phone," Smith said. "I'm excited." Some have scoffed at the idea of the Redskins signing Smith to a lengthy contract extension. At nearly 34 years old, Smith's four-year, $94 million deal represents a huge commitment to an aging quarterback, but the former no. 1 overall pick believes he still has plenty in the tank. So much so that he's not yet able to see the sunset he'll eventually walk into. "I feel amazing, I feel great," Smith ensured. "I feel like the last five or six years have flown by. I've had more fun than I've ever had playing the game. The challenge of it, my body feels great, so yeah, I do feel like I can't see the horizon at this point. People keep asking me that and I don't see it in the near future. Obviously things change, but I'm just loving what I'm doing too much and the challenge of it. I still haven't gotten [to the Super Bowl] obviously and you're after that big one, right? You're trying to do whatever you can and figure it out and find the answer. Totally sounds like a guy ready to bail on a trade. This is why people make fun of Mike Florio. Florio is the only dude to float that Mcdaniels would bail on the Colts. This could be a savvy move to extract a few more guaranteed mil out of the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Smith 'jacked' at opportunity to join Redskins Alex Smith is the Washington Redskins newest starting quarterback, and he's already looking forward to the experience. The 33-year-old was back home in San Francisco on Thursday, and made an appearance on KNBR 680 to talk all things offseason, including the trade that saw him swap the AFC West for the NFC East. After the Chiefs made it clear that they viewed Patrick Mahomes III as the future of the franchise, it's needless to say that Smith was ready to jump at the opportunity of becoming the Redskins' starting quarterback. "I'm jacked. I'm really excited," Smith said. "Once I found out that things in Kansas City were going in a different direction, I was pumped at the opportunity and when Washington came calling I was hopeful that was a possible destination and I'm just jacked that it worked out and that they wanted me because the feelings were mutual and I'm looking forward to it." Smith will enjoy a reunion with former teammate Vernon Davis when he suits up in D.C. next season, as the duo played together with the 49ers for six season after being draft one year apart in 2005 and 2006 respectively. In fact, the 34-year-old tight end was one of the first to reach out when news of the trade first leaked. "[Davis] was one of the first guys when [the news] broke that hit me up on the phone," Smith said. "I'm excited." Some have scoffed at the idea of the Redskins signing Smith to a lengthy contract extension. At nearly 34 years old, Smith's four-year, $94 million deal represents a huge commitment to an aging quarterback, but the former no. 1 overall pick believes he still has plenty in the tank. So much so that he's not yet able to see the sunset he'll eventually walk into. "I feel amazing, I feel great," Smith ensured. "I feel like the last five or six years have flown by. I've had more fun than I've ever had playing the game. The challenge of it, my body feels great, so yeah, I do feel like I can't see the horizon at this point. People keep asking me that and I don't see it in the near future. Obviously things change, but I'm just loving what I'm doing too much and the challenge of it. I still haven't gotten [to the Super Bowl] obviously and you're after that big one, right? You're trying to do whatever you can and figure it out and find the answer.
bla bla bla Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Pcola said: Cousins would have a lot to say before he gets traded. Wash could trade him and the new team could use the franchise tag but what team would want to give up a premium draft pick for the right to negotiate with that player. There is no incentive for Cousins to do anything that would equate to anything less than unrestricted free agency. I understand why Cleveland would want to do something like this. They have struck out on McCarron, Garapolo, and now A. Smith. But based on what their team reporters are putting out, their new consultant (and old GM of Wash) has said less than complimentary things about Cousins, and they would prefer to use the top pick in this draft on a QB. I don't think it's likely but I don't know if I'd call a 4th round pick a premium pick. For Cousins it would basically be a way for him to test out one of his options before signing his mega deal (Bonus $34M if he believes he'll stay healthy). Scot's comments were that you need to surround him with talent for him to succeed, they have plenty of cap and picks to make that happen. I think Cousins decides to pass on the money from the tag though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: He’s not getting $70 million What makes you think he wouldn't? There were what 5 teams bidding for him, I wouldn't find it surprising for 2 of them to wanted him for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 hours ago, bla bla bla said: What makes you think he wouldn't? There were what 5 teams bidding for him, I wouldn't find it surprising for 2 of them to wanted him for 3 years. Who were the 5 teams bidding and how do u know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 9 hours ago, Pcola said: I’m going off the assumption that no GM would be dumb enough to trade a pick inside the first three rounds for a one year rental of Cousins for $34M+. There is zero incentive for Cousins to comply with any of this. Why would he want to help Washington? I think all of these conspiracy theories are entertaining, but in reality, anything Washing does from here forward, will make their own situation worse. Why first 3 rounds? Why not a 5th round. It's better than nothing if you're WSH... New team can negotiate with cousins on an extension and balance out the money. Jimmy just netted 45 mil in his first year. Cousins may comply if he's going to a team he likes. It's also not very likely, at all. I hear you - I should just shut up. Just can't help myself when people say it will never happen, cause it's possible between the right 2 parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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