Warfish Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2758603-scouts-report-the-most-overrated-prospects-in-the-2018-nfl-draft-class?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial Quote Scout's Quote: "You have him in Round 2 and I just don't see it. He has a weak arm and plays in a bulls--t scheme. Bryce Petty all over again" Mason Rudolph is, like the scout says, in my second-round rankings, but that isn't an opinion shared by the team employing this evaluator. He went on to add, "I can see him going second round in a mock draft, but there is no way he should be valued there." The issue with grading quarterbacks for the entire league (media) and not just one team is that flaws in a player's game might make him an awful fit for some teams and fine for others. If you want an athletic quarterback that can move, Rudolph isn't your guy. If you want a seasoned pocket passer with pretty good touch accuracy, he is a decent option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 yes that seems about right. I don't see the attraction in rd 1 like some mocks and even rd 2 seems like it could go in a Hackenberg like direction. Related to this Lamar Jackson is way too low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, bitonti said: yes that seems about right. I don't see the attraction in rd 1 like some mocks and even rd 2 seems like it could go in a Hackenberg like direction. Related to this Lamar Jackson is way too low. Such is the extreme desperation of the QB-needy. We coulda had a Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, jgb said: Such is the extreme desperation of the QB-needy. We coulda had a Watson. Watson is a legit star he's also coming off his 2nd ACL. Mahomes was always my favorite but either way they have to get serious and take a QB in rd 1. or just forfeit the games. either works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 He doesnt have a big arm? That's a first. That ball comes flying out any time I've seen him play. He's got a great deep ball. He plays in a bull sh*t scheme? So does another QB with a worse arm and is 5 inches shorter but he's becoming the darling of the class. Interesting. I fail to see the difference between him and most of the top named QB's but whatevs. This draft process is bizarre, each year it gets more stupid and tedious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Watson is a legit star he's also coming off his 2nd ACL. Mahomes was always my favorite but either way they have to get serious and take a QB in rd 1. or just forfeit the games. either works Go nuts offer #6 to Texans for Watson I'll take the ACL risk over the Macc-drafting-a-QB risk (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: Watson is a legit star he's also coming off his 2nd ACL. Mahomes was always my favorite but either way they have to get serious and take a QB in rd 1. or just forfeit the games. either works I remember when you dropped the BOMB and said Watson would fall the 3rd round after the Ourlads Scouting reporting of his 49 MPH!!!! It drove this board into a frenzy. So looking forward to their reports this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, JiF said: I remember when you dropped the BOMB and said Watson would fall the 3rd round after the Ourlads Scouting reporting of his 49 MPH!!!! So looking forward to their reports this year. You can cherry pick anyone's record as an indictment. Jesus lost his cool in the temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 The way I see this whole first round is: ...if they don't sign Cousins they need to.. Draft one of either Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson or Allen at #6 Trade up to #3 to land Rosen or Darnold if either is still there ...if they do sign Cousins they need to... Draft Nelson, Barkley or Chubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, jgb said: You can cherry pick anyone's record as an indictment. Jesus lost his cool in the temple. I wasnt knocking Bit. We've been doing this stuff together for years. We get them wrong, we get them right and when you put yourself out there, you have to be able to take it. I just was referring mostly to what that report did around here as an example of how stupid this process has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, JiF said: I wasnt knocking Bit. We've been doing this stuff together for years. We get them wrong, we get them right and when you put yourself out there, you have to be able to take it. I just was referring mostly to what that report did around here as an example of how stupid this process has become. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, JiF said: He doesnt have a big arm? That's a first. That ball comes flying out any time I've seen him play. He's got a great deep ball. He plays in a bull sh*t scheme? So does another QB with a worse arm and is 5 inches shorter but he's becoming the darling of the class. Interesting. I fail to see the difference between him and most of the top named QB's but whatevs. This draft process is bizarre, each year it gets more stupid and tedious. Even taking out my own personal opinion, every single evaluation on Rudolph says weak arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, JiF said: I wasnt knocking Bit. We've been doing this stuff together for years. We get them wrong, we get them right and when you put yourself out there, you have to be able to take it. I just was referring mostly to what that report did around here as an example of how stupid this process has become. I mostly get them right fwiw. Hess GM in '19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 " Rudolph : One of the Most Overrated in this coming Draft Class ? ".. ...yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 And also, In Bit's defense, trying to guess where a player is getting picked is a crapshoot and all it takes is one team. EJ Manuel for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I have a time machine. Let me forward to JN on 11:59PM April 26th.. Most overrated: whoever the Jets select. Most underrated: whoever gets selected immediately after the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 He is Bryce Petty, worth a flier in the 4th round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, jgb said: You can cherry pick anyone's record as an indictment. Jesus lost his cool in the temple. Yeah, but Jesus wasn't wrong about Terrence Cody, Vernon Gholston, DeWayne Robertson, Bryan Thomas and many, many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, jgb said: You can cherry pick anyone's record as an indictment. Jesus lost his cool in the temple. My temple is a house of prayer. Youve turned into a den of thieves. GeT OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, HighPitch said: My temple is a house of prayer. Youve turned into a den of thieves. GeT OUT! Love some Jesus Christ Superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 31 minutes ago, HessStation said: The way I see this whole first round is: ...if they don't sign Cousins they need to.. Draft one of either Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Jackson or Allen at #6 Trade up to #3 to land Rosen or Darnold if either is still there ...if they do sign Cousins they need to... Draft Nelson, Barkley or Chubb if they dont sign Cousins moving up to 3 seems to be a waste of draft picks....who else is worth moving up for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: if they dont sign Cousins moving up to 3 seems to be a waste of draft picks....who else is worth moving up for? What I'm saying is, as of February 13th, those are the acceptable scenarios imo, to whatever degree you want to deem fit. I actually do state...for, "Rosen or Darnold" fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, HessStation said: What I'm saying is, as of February 13th, those are the acceptable scenarios imo, to whatever degree you want to deem fit. I actually do state...for, "Rosen or Darnold" fwiw. Give it time to soak in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I think JN was the first to start throwing Petty comps around last fall. You know it's bad when message board fodder has this guy figured out. Good guy, and hopefully develops into a decent #2... but he belongs in the 4-7th round IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Completely agree. Rich man's Bryce Petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Completely agree. Rich man's Bryce Petty. Not even a rich man's. The one thing we don't know is what's between the ears with these guys and nobody is a clone to another but I'd agree on not wanting him before the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, JiF said: He doesnt have a big arm? That's a first. That ball comes flying out any time I've seen him play. He's got a great deep ball. He plays in a bull sh*t scheme? So does another QB with a worse arm and is 5 inches shorter but he's becoming the darling of the class. Interesting. I fail to see the difference between him and most of the top named QB's but whatevs. This draft process is bizarre, each year it gets more stupid and tedious. Teams passed on a legit potential top five 5 NFL QB in Watson last year because of some doofuses with a radar gun they bought at Best Buy. Let that sink in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, HessStation said: Not even a rich man's. The one thing we don't know is what's between the ears with these guys and nobody is a clone to another but I'd agree on not wanting him before the 4th. I think he's more physically gifted than Petty. He's a little bigger and has a stronger arm. But they're very similar players in almost every other respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: I think he's more physically gifted than Petty. He's a little bigger and has a stronger arm. But they're very similar players in almost every other respect. I don't know where he's getting the, "stronger arm" from but he is a little bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Completely agree. Rich man's Bryce Petty. petty is a Little better.. not much but...a Little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: He doesnt have a big arm? That's a first. That ball comes flying out any time I've seen him play. He's got a great deep ball. He plays in a bull sh*t scheme? So does another QB with a worse arm and is 5 inches shorter but he's becoming the darling of the class. Interesting. I fail to see the difference between him and most of the top named QB's but whatevs. This draft process is bizarre, each year it gets more stupid and tedious. I'd take Rudolph over Mayfield in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: He doesnt have a big arm? That's a first. That ball comes flying out any time I've seen him play. He's got a great deep ball. He plays in a bull sh*t scheme? So does another QB with a worse arm and is 5 inches shorter but he's becoming the darling of the class. Interesting. I fail to see the difference between him and most of the top named QB's but whatevs. This draft process is bizarre, each year it gets more stupid and tedious. Rudolph is going to be a better pro than Mayfield This idea that we now need to stay away from big athletic qbs because of Petty and Hack is nauseating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 If anything Rudolph is being underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, Philc1 said: Rudolph is going to be a better pro than Mayfield This idea that we now need to stay away from big athletic qbs because of Petty and Hack is nauseating He's not athletic. Just big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, Philc1 said: If anything Rudolph is being underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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