Say the Brown's sign Cousins

[gpjets]

What would it cost to move up to #1 for Darnold,our #6 both our #2 and next years #1.????  Just think of the team the Browns chould put together

I think i would stay at 6 and take the best QB that falls to us ,seems like # 6 pick has been lucky for us in recent years

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 minute ago, gpjets said:

What would it cost to move up to #1 for Darnold,our #6 both our #2 and next years #1.????  Just think of the team the Browns chould put together

I think i would stay at 6 and take the best QB that falls to us ,seems like # 6 pick has been lucky for us in recent years

We'd have to give up this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd, plus next years 1st and likely a little more. And that's being conservative. 

In a year where a bunch of teams need a QB there would be a bidding war. The cost would be very very steep. 

[Beerfish]

9 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

We'd have to give up this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd, plus next years 1st and likely a little more. And that's being conservative. 

In a year where a bunch of teams need a QB there would be a bidding war. The cost would be very very steep. 

And we should pay it.

[bla bla bla]

7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

We'd have to give up this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd, plus next years 1st and likely a little more. And that's being conservative. 

In a year where a bunch of teams need a QB there would be a bidding war. The cost would be very very steep. 

Yea I think 6, 37, and 2019 1st would be the minimum but depending on who we are competing with that might be enough. If it's Arizona or Buffalo they'd need to outbid us and I'm not sure they can unless they are willing to pay a truely astronomical rate. I also think since this is viewed as a strong QB draft class there are other options that those teams may be willing to roll the dice on at a slightly lower price.

It all depends on how each team views the QBs.

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

And we should pay it.

If our GM/Scouts think that one guy is far and away the better prospect, then absolutely. 

[UntouchableCrew]

A lot, but it would be worth it.

[JoJoTownsell1]

Just now, bla bla bla said:

Yea I think 6, 37, and 2019 1st would be the minimum but depending on who we are competing with that might be enough. If it's Arizona or Buffalo they'd need to outbid us and I'm not sure they can unless they are willing to pay a truely astronomical rate. I also think since this is viewed as a strong QB draft class there are other options that those teams may be willing to roll the dice on at a slightly lower price.

It all depends on how each team views the QBs.

That's the tricky part. Generally, when you have to trade up for a QB the price is very steep. But when there are 4 guys that could easily go 1 (depending on who you listen to), does that devalue the #1 pick. A team like the Jets could move up to 3 and be more than content taking whoever drops or just stay at 6 on the assumption that 1 will drop.

[Obrien2Toon]

That winning culture we established this year > this year and next years #1, a #2 and #4

[Jetsplayer21]

We have wasted so many picks already. Trading up, wasting on bad qbs, or other flops. We have a depleted roster. We need youth, not just older free agent signings. The price is too steep for us. We are stuck to live with our decision Of sticking with McCown and winning 2 extra games. It was much more important to finish with 5 wins and picking 6th, than willing 3 and picking 2nd overall.

[UntouchableCrew]

1 minute ago, Obrien2Toon said:

That winning culture we established this year > this year and next years #1, a #2 and #4

...not to mention a fresh slate for a competent GM/HC duo...

[peebag]

1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

We have wasted so many picks already. Trading up, wasting on bad qbs, or other flops. We have a depleted roster. We need youth, not just older free agent signings. The price is too steep for us. We are stuck to live with our decision Of sticking with McCown and winning 2 extra games. It was much more important to finish with 5 wins and picking 6th, than willing 3 and picking 2nd overall.

That's a great idea...sure wish we had someone who could evaluate talent and get us those players.

[prime21]

37 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

We'd have to give up this years 1st, 2nd and 3rd, plus next years 1st and likely a little more. And that's being conservative. 

In a year where a bunch of teams need a QB there would be a bidding war. The cost would be very very steep. 

If we are talking only one QB that was available for a top pick then maybe but I don't think anyone of themselves stands out to give up all those picks.  I'd rather target the Colts pick which hopefully is cheaper and grab one of the top 3 there.  

[Larz]

the browns sign cousins

[Warfish]

1 hour ago, gpjets said:

What would it cost to move up to #1 for Darnold,our #6 both our #2 and next years #1.????  Just think of the team the Browns chould put together

I think i would stay at 6 and take the best QB that falls to us ,seems like # 6 pick has been lucky for us in recent years

It would cost:

2018 1st Rounder (#6)
2018 2nd Rounder
2018 2nd Rounder
2019 1st Rounder

The "chart" be damned, I see no chance such a deal gets made without at LEAST this level of compensation, probably more.

And if I am the Browns, I make that trade in a millisecond.  It's a complete game changer for them, presuming they have Cousins in place.  They'd still have TWO #1's and FIVE #2's.  My God....

It's the best thing the Browns could possibly do.  A full team rebuild in one year.   At the "Jets are Suckers" expense.

[BurnleyJet]

If the Browns trade out if 1# then they are officially insane. Although I could seem them trade their 4th overall, the Jets could jump over Denver and it's a much more reasonable cost.

[New York Mick]

56 minutes ago, gpjets said:

What would it cost to move up to #1 for Darnold,our #6 both our #2 and next years #1.????  Just think of the team the Browns chould put together

I think i would stay at 6 and take the best QB that falls to us ,seems like # 6 pick has been lucky for us in recent years

The future and any chance of getting a supporting cast for the next couple years   

[mphtrilogy]

3 / 1's

[prime21]

18 minutes ago, Warfish said:

It would cost:

2018 1st Rounder (#6)
2018 2nd Rounder
2018 2nd Rounder
2019 1st Rounder

The "chart" be damned, I see no chance such a deal gets made without at LEAST this level of compensation, probably more.

And if I am the Browns, I make that trade in a millisecond.  It's a complete game changer for them, presuming they have Cousins in place.  They'd still have TWO #1's and FIVE #2's.  My God....

 

16 minutes ago, BurnleyJet said:

If the Browns trade out if 1# then they are officially insane. Although I could seem them trade their 4th overall, the Jets could jump over Denver and it's a much more reasonable cost.

I would not say they are insane at all.   They can pick a QB at 4 and if they did make the type of deal listed above with the Jets, they could potentially have one of the best drafts that we could remember.

RD1 - 4, 6

RD2 - 33, 39, 40. 52, 64

Coming off 0-16, this is a great haul to revamp that team.  And they will have two first rounders next year.  

Rosen, Darnold, Baker and Allen.  They are guaranteed one of them. 

[nycdan]

This is where someone brings up how much fun it was to win all those games with Josh McCown last season.

Oh...I guess that would be me...

[MDL_JET]

I hope whatever trade they do they're able to hold on to one of the 2's. I don't know what other kinda combo there is but would really suck to give up both. 

I don't think the Browns need a huge haul. They eventually need to start picking quality players and not just draft 5 2nd round picks. I think future picks would be more valuable to them. 

[jamesr]

I'm not so sure that there would be such a feeding frenzy for the #1 pick in this scenario.

• Browns would be desperate to trade down, and teams will know this
• Browns would not be picking a QB #1 or #4
• There are still other FA's to land somewhere before the draft
• There are several QB options and no one stands out above the rest

If the Jets (or Broncos) have 3 or 4 QBs rated pretty close to each other, there's a very good chance one or more is there when they pick. Why spend four (or more) draft picks to move up to #1?

I'd expect there to be a lot of cat and mouse games ... wait to see who offers what, offer a bit more, and see when the other guy pulls out.

[rangerous]

it's a tough choice and even though these guys are highly rated, there is still quite a bit of luck involved.  plus it can be assumed that none of these guys will be ready to start from game 1.  the jets certainly don't have the rest of the team in place to even contemplate that scenario.  imo the jets best course of action is to keep the draft picks and fill the qb from free agency.  the alternative is use the draft picks to trade up and then burn down the salary cap on free agents.  we've seen the free agent show before and sometimes it's not very pretty.

[varjet]

1 hour ago, BurnleyJet said:

If the Browns trade out if 1# then they are officially insane. Although I could seem them trade their 4th overall, the Jets could jump over Denver and it's a much more reasonable cost.

This is the third time in four years that the Jets have held the 6th pick, which is pretty pathetic in and of itself.  

With 2 of them the Jets picked Williams and Adams, good players, not huge difference makers, who did not save 2017 or for one of the 2016.

Adams cost $22mm over 4 years-let's say $5.5mm/year.  Fournette at 4 cost $27mm over 4 years.  Look what McCown and Mo cost.

So to take a chance on a Mayfield or even Allen at 4 this year is really not a big deal if it gets the Jets a QB for 4-5 years.   The stakes are much lower than paying Cousins $150mm over 5 years-if Cousins gets hurt or bombs, the Jets are just hosed until 2022.  If the QB with the 4th pick bombs, they still could recover.

Allen does have some physical attributes, like Bortles does.  Bortles was on the junk pile until mid-year this year, but Marrone and Coughlin figured out how to build a team around him.  He took them to the AFCCG.  If someone could figure out how to use Allen, or Mayfield, the Jets could be competitive. 

I don't think we can say the same thing around McCown, Petty or Hack.  

[Lith]

Probably the closest deal in recent history that would approximate us moving from 6 to 1 would be two years ago when the Eagles moved from 8 to 2 to select Wentz.  Eagles gave up a 2016 first (8), two 2016 3rd (77 & 100) a 2017 first (12) and a 2018 second.  In return, they got a 2016 1st (Wentz) and a 2017 4th.

Seems to me two 1s (2018 & 19) and two 2s (either both in 2018 or one this year and one next) is likely to be in the ball park, or maybe a 1,2 & 3 this year plus next years 1. 

 

[CrazyCarl40]

Doesn’t matter. Macc won’t pay it. Never has. Never will. He’s Scrooge McDuck if Scrooge McDuck instead of swimming in his gold, threw it in the garbage. 

[greenwave81]

5 hours ago, Beerfish said:

And we should pay it.

Hahahaha...kind of funny when you think about it...

Being a FIRST round DP QB for the QB starved Jets would be pressure enough for most mortals....but to be the FIRST round QB pick for the NYJ that also costs multiple other picks this year and also includes next yrs #1?

The kid better be Namath-worthy out of the box

[Freemanm]

The Browns? That's the one team that I guess we can make fun of. It's where good players go to commit career suicide - even more so than the Jets

[k-met57]

if either the browns or the broncos sign cousins we sit at 6 and take BQA.

[Warfish]

7 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

A lot, but it would be worth it.

Only for the Browns.

The pants-pissing hysteria in Jets Fandom is reaching epic proportions....

[Greenseed4]

That’s an expensive crap shoot. I’d rather stay at 6, and double dip in the second round. Draft 3 QBs this year, and one more next year in the first. 

One of them will play just fine

[Dcat]

7 hours ago, Warfish said:

It would cost:

2018 1st Rounder (#6)
2018 2nd Rounder
2018 2nd Rounder
2019 1st Rounder

The "chart" be damned, I see no chance such a deal gets made without at LEAST this level of compensation, probably more.

And if I am the Browns, I make that trade in a millisecond.  It's a complete game changer for them, presuming they have Cousins in place.  They'd still have TWO #1's and FIVE #2's.  My God....

It's the best thing the Browns could possibly do.  A full team rebuild in one year.   At the "Jets are Suckers" expense.

I would say this is insane, but then look at what Washington gave to get RGIII.  Anything is possible. Either way. Tannenbaum moved up for Sanchez for a song IIRC.

[hawk]

11 hours ago, jamesr said:

I'm not so sure that there would be such a feeding frenzy for the #1 pick in this scenario.

• Browns would be desperate to trade down, and teams will know this
• Browns would not be picking a QB #1 or #4

One would have to believe they wouldnt want to draft a QB.  However, a team(s) may want to jump the Giants, and it is possible they gamble, select a QB still and attempt to trade him.  

[Philc1]

15 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

We have wasted so many picks already. Trading up, wasting on bad qbs, or other flops. We have a depleted roster. We need youth, not just older free agent signings. The price is too steep for us. We are stuck to live with our decision Of sticking with McCown and winning 2 extra games. It was much more important to finish with 5 wins and picking 6th, than willing 3 and picking 2nd overall.

As opposed to staying put, doing nothing and watching Macc have another bad draft?

 

Get Darnold

 

[jamesr]

2 hours ago, hawk said:

One would have to believe they wouldnt want to draft a QB.  However, a team(s) may want to jump the Giants, and it is possible they gamble, select a QB still and attempt to trade him.  

It's a fair point. And the Jets' strategy would be largely dependent on how they view the QBs.

At the most extreme cases either way:

1. Jets see 1 guy as head and shoulders above all the others - in this case, you look to trade up to #1 unless it is ridiculously expensive relative to your perceived value of the guy you're targeting
2. Jets see several guys as being very similar talent / value wise - in this case you can afford to sit tight and see how the first picks go. Cleveland's pick at #4 would become your "point of no return" - if there's only one guy left by that point, you trade up to 4 at a much lower cost than trading up to 1

I still don't honestly see 4 QBs going in the first 5 picks. Nor do I see lots of teams drafting lower (e.g. Buffalo, Arizona) paying a king's ransom to trade up to the top 4 when they could probably still get a good QB around 10-12. After we pick the next genuinely "QB needy" team is Arizona at 15. And i'd expect a lot of these teams will address their situation in FA - even if it's only a top gap - so as to leave their options open in the draft.

[BCJet]

If the Browns were to land cousins, I dont see a need for them to trade out of the top spot, given the choices they have already.

They upgraded their Oline last year, and have the cap space to add jensen if they wanted to.  They could then take Chubb to bookend with Myles Garret and solidify their Dline/pass rush for years.  Then they sit and wait - if barkley is there, they take him to pair with cousins and offense looks great.  If colts take barkley, it means someone will be dealing up for a QB, and they can then move down and take BPA in the first with whatever pick they get and then solidify RB.

Not needing a QB for the browns could really allow them to build a real roster.