aj mccarron arbitration

[rangerous]

apparently aj mccarron may become a ufa as opposed to his current rfa depending on how an arbitrator rules tomorrow.  the browns may still want him but his second round tender means the browns would have to ship the bungles the 33rd pick.  at the trade deadline last fall the browns and bungles had an apparent deal worked out for a lower value pick.  it could put mccarron in play for the jets.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland/post/_/id/4697/cleveland-browns-quarterback-tracker-ruling-on-aj-mccarrons-status-expected-on-thursday

[Philc1]

Glorified Fitz. No thanks

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Yea I think McCarron will be an UFA and Bridgewater will be a RFA. My prediction:

Vikings - 1st Round Tender Teddy for $4M and go after Cousins or resign Keenum.

Bengals - Franchise Tag McCarron and cut Dalton or keep Dalton and tag and trade McCarron (if teams are interested)

[BCJet]

5 minutes ago, bla bla bla said:

Yea I think McCarron will be an UFA and Bridgewater will be a RFA. My prediction:

Vikings - 1st Round Tender Teddy for $4M and go after Cousins or resign Keenum.

Bengals - Franchise Tag McCarron and cut Dalton or keep Dalton and tag and trade McCarron (if teams are interested)

If the Bengals franchise McCarron they would lose all bargaining position to trade dalton, and if Im McCarron, no matter how much I want to be a starter, im signing my franchise tender immediately and locking in the one year $15 million while putting the Bengals in step 1 of the same thing the Redskins did with Cousins.  Also, I believe that if they cut dalton, they wouldnt even be able to get a compensatory pick as you have to lose a FA, not cut someone (I think).

I was a fan of McCarron in the draft and think it is one of Idzik's biggest failures that he let 5 rounds go by and never took McCarron simply because we had Geno Smith.  We actually took a slow ILB who couldnt cover in the 5th round before AJ went.  He does not have top tier arm strength, but does go through his progressions and seems to not get rattled as he led the bengals on a drive to take the lead back before losing to pittsburgh in the playoffs.

His limited upside and lack of mobility make me prefer cousins, darnold or mayfield, but mccarron being a FA is a good thing to help the QB market shake out, lets hope he gets UFA tomorrow.

[BCJet]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Glorified Fitz. No thanks

Fitz is a QB who spent his entire career slinging passes that his ability didnt allow him to complete - he never once played the role of "game manager" that he could have done well at, and instead didnt work hard off the field and played as if he was brett favre on it, never once playing within the ability he had.

Mccarron is a true game manager, who excelled in a pro-style offense in college, doesnt take chances, and plays within the system.

Fitz and Mccarron couldnt be more opposite - I truly have no idea what games you watch when you give your opinion on QBs on this board

[New York Mick]

Oh yay

[k-met57]

why would the bengals give a career backup 20 million dollars? i mean that would be a Bengal thing to do but still...

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, k-met57 said:

why would the bengals give a career backup 20 million dollars? i mean that would be a Bengal thing to do but still...

The same reason the NY Jets keep bringing in old loser washed up QB's season after season. 

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Glorified Fitz. No thanks

More of a poor mans Alex Smith bit no thanks just the same 

[JiFtheOracle]

Is AJ McCarron even good at Quarterbacking the Football?  It feels like ages ago that he was called into duty for the Bengals.  I remember him being pretty good but nothing show stopping. 

[Tinstar]

Gotta love Jet fans who hate every QB the Jets bring in or are connected too until they start flinging the ball around and winning games they told us the team couldn't win . Fitzpatrick went a hated player who was mentioned as a possible Jet, to a beloved Jet and back to a hated loser in 2 season .  McCown went from a 38 year old loser to he's better than I thought he was to bringing him back might not be the worst thing in the world .

Now A J McCarron is a career backup who's something worse than Alex Smith .

Here's a question for the sabelotodos  of the board . What was the thoughts around here about Kirk Cousins before the whole "You like that " stunt . 

 

[CanadaSteve]

35 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Fitz is a QB who spent his entire career slinging passes that his ability didnt allow him to complete - he never once played the role of "game manager" that he could have done well at, and instead didnt work hard off the field and played as if he was brett favre on it, never once playing within the ability he had.

Mccarron is a true game manager, who excelled in a pro-style offense in college, doesnt take chances, and plays within the system.

Fitz and Mccarron couldnt be more opposite - I truly have no idea what games you watch when you give your opinion on QBs on this board

I was wondering that myself.  I did not understand the comparison as they are two completely different styles of QB's.  Now, comparing him to Alex Smith I think would be more correct from a game-manager POV.

[Tinstar]

9 minutes ago, JiF said:

Is AJ McCarron even good at Quarterbacking the Football?  It feels like ages ago that he was called into duty for the Bengals.  I remember him being pretty good but nothing show stopping. 

The Bengals have not won a single playoff game under Dalton .  A J McCarron had that playoff game against the Steelers won until the RB fumbled and the defense lost their collective mind . 

[CanadaSteve]

2 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Gotta love Jet fans who hate every QB the Jets bring in or are connected too until they start flinging the ball around and winning games they told us the team couldn't win . Fitzpatrick went a hated player who was mentioned as a possible Jet, to a beloved Jet and back to a hated loser in 2 season .  McCown went from a 38 year old loser to he's better than I thought he was to bringing him back might not be the worst thing in the world .

Now A J McCarron is a career backup who's something worse than Alex Smith .

Here's a question for the sabelotodos  of the board . What was the thoughts around here about Kirk Cousins before the whole "You like that " stunt . 

 

I liked Cousins in the draft as a project, but was surprised when Washington doubled-down like they did at QB.  Turned out to be a smart strategy.

 

[joewilly12]

Just now, Tinstar said:

Gotta love Jet fans who hate every QB the Jets bring in or are connected too until they start flinging the ball around and winning games they told us the team couldn't win . Fitzpatrick went a hated player who was mentioned as a possible Jet, to a beloved Jet and back to a hated loser in 2 season .  McCown went from a 38 year old loser to he's better than I thought he was to bringing him back might not be the worst thing in the world .

Now A J McCarron is a career backup who's something worse than Alex Smith .

Here's a question for the sabelotodos  of the board . What was the thoughts around here about Kirk Cousins before the whole "You like that " stunt . 

 

I will support any QB the NY Jets put under center like him or not.  Fitzpatrick and McCown NFL career losers I expected nothing from them and they did not disappoint. Expecting different results was a mistake and until the Jets find and commit to a decent QB nothing changes here, except the faces. 

[CanadaSteve]

12 minutes ago, JiF said:

Is AJ McCarron even good at Quarterbacking the Football?  It feels like ages ago that he was called into duty for the Bengals.  I remember him being pretty good but nothing show stopping. 

The poster-child of game management. 

[HessStation]

AJ McCarron? Wtf is going on.

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45 minutes ago, BCJet said:

If the Bengals franchise McCarron they would lose all bargaining position to trade dalton, and if Im McCarron, no matter how much I want to be a starter, im signing my franchise tender immediately and locking in the one year $15 million while putting the Bengals in step 1 of the same thing the Redskins did with Cousins.  Also, I believe that if they cut dalton, they wouldnt even be able to get a compensatory pick as you have to lose a FA, not cut someone (I think).

I was a fan of McCarron in the draft and think it is one of Idzik's biggest failures that he let 5 rounds go by and never took McCarron simply because we had Geno Smith.  We actually took a slow ILB who couldnt cover in the 5th round before AJ went.  He does not have top tier arm strength, but does go through his progressions and seems to not get rattled as he led the bengals on a drive to take the lead back before losing to pittsburgh in the playoffs.

His limited upside and lack of mobility make me prefer cousins, darnold or mayfield, but mccarron being a FA is a good thing to help the QB market shake out, lets hope he gets UFA tomorrow.

I think you misread my post.

You are only tagging McCarron if you have a trade in place for him or you want him on the 1 year deal. I think they will cut Dalton, I don't believe he is traded.

[JiFtheOracle]

7 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

The Bengals have not won a single playoff game under Dalton .  A J McCarron had that playoff game against the Steelers won until the RB fumbled and the defense lost their collective mind . 

I remember that game. Crazy finish. I dont recall AJ being particularly good but I remember the D playing lights out. 

Not trying to throw shade on AJ he just doesnt strike me as a franchise caliber QB.

 

[Tinstar]

2 minutes ago, JiF said:

I remember that game. Crazy finish. I dont recall AJ being particularly good but I remember the D playing lights out. 

Not trying to throw shade on AJ he just doesnt strike me as a franchise caliber QB.

 

Not looking for a franchise QB, just a young place holder who I might be able to get something for once the QB we draft this April to take over the franchise gets up to speed with the offense and the speed of the NFL .

[The Crusher]

15 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Gotta love Jet fans who hate every QB the Jets bring in or are connected too until they start flinging the ball around and winning games they told us the team couldn't win . Fitzpatrick went a hated player who was mentioned as a possible Jet, to a beloved Jet and back to a hated loser in 2 season .  McCown went from a 38 year old loser to he's better than I thought he was to bringing him back might not be the worst thing in the world .

Now A J McCarron is a career backup who's something worse than Alex Smith .

Here's a question for the sabelotodos  of the board . What was the thoughts around here about Kirk Cousins before the whole "You like that " stunt . 

 

I live in DC. Saw the whole RG III debacle and the rise of Kirk Cousins. Impressed with what he did when given his chance. More impressed that he maintain his play statistically after having the recievers he was comfortable were traded away and replaced with lesser recievers. Basically in my opinion Kirk Cousins is a mighty Phoenix rising from the ashes. Rise Kirk Cousins, Rise 

[The Crusher]

Just now, Tinstar said:

Not looking for a franchise QB, just a young place holder who I might be able to get something for once the QB we draft this April to take over the franchise gets up to speed with the offense and the speed of the NFL .

A J’s giant weird chest tattoo freaks me out a little. 

[Sperm Edwards]

53 minutes ago, BCJet said:

If the Bengals franchise McCarron they would lose all bargaining position to trade dalton, and if Im McCarron, no matter how much I want to be a starter, im signing my franchise tender immediately and locking in the one year $15 million while putting the Bengals in step 1 of the same thing the Redskins did with Cousins.  Also, I believe that if they cut dalton, they wouldnt even be able to get a compensatory pick as you have to lose a FA, not cut someone (I think).

I was a fan of McCarron in the draft and think it is one of Idzik's biggest failures that he let 5 rounds go by and never took McCarron simply because we had Geno Smith.  We actually took a slow ILB who couldnt cover in the 5th round before AJ went.  He does not have top tier arm strength, but does go through his progressions and seems to not get rattled as he led the bengals on a drive to take the lead back before losing to pittsburgh in the playoffs.

His limited upside and lack of mobility make me prefer cousins, darnold or mayfield, but mccarron being a FA is a good thing to help the QB market shake out, lets hope he gets UFA tomorrow.

Agree, unless he already has a deal with much more guaranteed from Cleveland. But even more so because the FT amount for a QB is a hell of a lot more than $15m. Think it's ~$24m give or take (also the amount depends on whether he's given the exclusive or non-exclusive tag). 

[slats]

McCarron is a nice backup QB. I wouldn't be interested in him as anything more than that, or maybe a temporary bridge while Josh Allen soaks up the NFL game from the sidelines for a month or so. But McCown probably comes cheaper and is a natural fit for the mentor role. 

[joewilly12]

1 minute ago, slats said:

McCarron is a nice backup QB. I wouldn't be interested in him as anything more than that, or maybe a temporary bridge while Josh Allen soaks up the NFL game from the sidelines for a month or so. But McCown probably comes cheaper and is a natural fit for the mentor role. 

McCown wants to start and Bowles will do just that. Not interested in year 4 of an old NFL loser re-tread QB. 

[JiFtheOracle]

8 minutes ago, Tinstar said:

Not looking for a franchise QB, just a young place holder who I might be able to get something for once the QB we draft this April to take over the franchise gets up to speed with the offense and the speed of the NFL .

What's the difference between this strategy and just bringing back McCown? 

[slats]

3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

McCown wants to start and Bowles will do just that. Not interested in year 4 of an old NFL loser re-tread QB. 

So AJ McCarron is where you turn? 

[Tinstar]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

What's the difference between this strategy and just bringing back McCown? 

Nobody's going to offer you a pick for McCown if he has a solid year, but you might get something for AJ under the same situation .

[joewilly12]

Just now, slats said:

So AJ McCarron is where you turn? 

Nope never said that. No mentor needed here it hasn't worked going back 20 years, hire a decent QB coach and sign or draft a decent QB. 

[sourceworx]

45 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

More of a poor mans Alex Smith bit no thanks just the same 

Yes. This is a better comparison. He can be a serviceable starter. Nothing special though.

[BCJet]

19 minutes ago, JiF said:

I remember that game. Crazy finish. I dont recall AJ being particularly good but I remember the D playing lights out. 

Not trying to throw shade on AJ he just doesnt strike me as a franchise caliber QB.

 

I believe that game was in the rain and cold.  McCarron struggled early, and then when the Bengals fell behind, led a drive where he threw a TD (nothing special, more of a great play by AJ Green, but a TD nonetheless) to put them ahead. 

[Sperm Edwards]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

McCarron is a nice backup QB. I wouldn't be interested in him as anything more than that, or maybe a temporary bridge while Josh Allen soaks up the NFL game from the sidelines for a month or so. But McCown probably comes cheaper and is a natural fit for the mentor role. 

Yeah, I think the only teams in a position to make a judgment beyond this are ones with coaches whom McCarron played under recently. Otherwise they're just doing another Osweiller/Glennon thing and hoping for better results.

Eventually there will be one that really pans out that way, but gotta believe it's a low percentage gamble, and it seems unworthy in an offseason when there are so many other options. If McCarron surprisingly turns into Drew Brees II then he does; odds say that's incredibly unlikely.

[BCJet]

3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Yeah, I think the only teams in a position to make a judgment beyond this are ones with coaches whom McCarron played under recently. Otherwise they're just doing another Osweiller/Glennon thing and hoping for better results.

Eventually there will be one that really pans out that way, but gotta believe it's a low percentage gamble, and it seems unworthy in an offseason when there are so many other options. If McCarron surprisingly turns into Drew Brees II then he does; odds say that's incredibly unlikely.

The difference is that Osweiler happened to be a FA when there was no one else really available if you look at his numbers, he has never been an accurate QB, and thats why he sucked so bad in Houston.  College and even the one season in Denver, he was barely cracking 60%.

McCarron though has always been very accurate in the short field, its the lack of an Osweiler type arm, and some sort of attitude issue that pushed him down in the draft.  I think he is a guy who doesnt have Brees ceiling, but who could definitely have an Alex Smith type career.  

I think he could be a better fit on a short deal then Bridgewater, if we have a rookie in here as well, we just then get into an issue of the fans calling for the backup at every turn, the team being divided over who starts and Bowles having to navigate through all that, which he likely cant.

Id rather have a legit starter with a decent backup behind him and not have an every week controversy for a young team to deal with.

[Warfish]

When did AJ McBackup become a legit Franchise QB that we should be caring about in any form?

Is this the same old "someone else's trash is sure to be our treasure" fans so constantly get worked up about?

I hear Scott Mitchell might be available, if thats the direction we're going....

[Sperm Edwards]

44 minutes ago, BCJet said:

The difference is that Osweiler happened to be a FA when there was no one else really available if you look at his numbers, he has never been an accurate QB, and thats why he sucked so bad in Houston.  College and even the one season in Denver, he was barely cracking 60%.

McCarron though has always been very accurate in the short field, its the lack of an Osweiler type arm, and some sort of attitude issue that pushed him down in the draft.  I think he is a guy who doesnt have Brees ceiling, but who could definitely have an Alex Smith type career.  

I think he could be a better fit on a short deal then Bridgewater, if we have a rookie in here as well, we just then get into an issue of the fans calling for the backup at every turn, the team being divided over who starts and Bowles having to navigate through all that, which he likely cant.

Id rather have a legit starter with a decent backup behind him and not have an every week controversy for a young team to deal with.

I did say he could have a decent career, but I'd let someone else take that gamble.

A team armed with some $100m in cap space and the #6 overall pick in a QB-rich draft shouldn't be settling on a career backup who maybe might hopefully have an Alex Smith career.