Patriot Killa Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Not that it’s anything we didn’t already know. It’s just official now. https://clutchpoints.com/new-york-jets-rumor-team-likely-release-dl-muhammad-wilkerson/amp/ Forget about if it happens. At this point in time, it’s purely about when it goes down. If there was ever a more obvious veteran cap casualty in recent memory, it’d be tough to cite. The New York Jets will be cutting ties with former star defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson and according to SNY’s Ralph Vacchiano, it’s all but a certainty at this point. Big Mo’s NFL career has been well-chronicled to this point. Once considered the most underrated star interior defensive player in the game (side-by-side with the likes of J.J. Watt), his star has rapidly fallen to the point of representing nothing more than the average rotational player. It also couldn’t come at a worse time. His play and attitude have spiraled out of control immediately after raking in big money, completely disconnecting his once strong bond with fans. After the Jets finally bit the bullet that was signing him to a long-term deal (five-years, $86 million) during the summer of 2016, the return on investment has been horrendous. The only silver lining is the fact Maccagnan arranged the guaranteed money in a fashion that makes cutting Big Mo right now an agreeable option. Most of the guaranteed dough was delivered over the course of the first two years. This is the only reason why such money can be saved by cutting Wilkerson. Wilkerson, 28, has appeared in 105 games over his seven-year NFL career, raking up 44.5 sacks and 243 tackles. But he hasn’t been the same since making the Pro Bowl in 2015, the campaign that saw him register 12 sacks. The only question is whether they designate him a pre-June 1 cut (clearing $11 million cap space) or a post-June 1 cut ($17 million in savings). His lack of production and bad attitude makes this an easier call than when they benched him for the final two games of the season for, among other things, his chronic lateness. They have to do it before the third day of the league year (March 16), otherwise his 2018 salary becomes guaranteed. But don’t worry. They will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATA Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Yeah, saw that coming a mile away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Great contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T0mShane Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Shouldn’t someone from the Jets organization have to stand in front of a microphone and answer why Mo Wilkerson starred for Rex, but quit under Todd Bowles? Or are are we just gonna act like cutting talented veterans every year because they stopped playing hard is just business as usual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Mo only played hard at times for Rex which should have been a warning sign after he had his one great pre contrat year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Shouldn’t someone from the Jets organization have to stand in front of a microphone and answer why Mo Wilkerson starred for Rex, but quit under Todd Bowles? Or are are we just gonna act like cutting talented veterans every year because they stopped playing hard is just business as usual? Someone should ask Macc what dumbass thought it was a good idea to give Mo $100 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Awesome. Wilk, grab a corn muffin or lemon scone from the craft services table on your way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 In other shocking news.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Someone tell him his teammates are having a birthday party for him and then lock the doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 See you later, you f*cking bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Ok so now what...Steve McLendon,Mike Pennel Mo was bad but the position is far from improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Shouldn’t someone from the Jets organization have to stand in front of a microphone and answer why Mo Wilkerson starred for Rex, but quit under Todd Bowles? Or are are we just gonna act like cutting talented veterans every year because they stopped playing hard is just business as usual? His knock coming out of Temple was that he could get lazy and disinterested at times. Once he got paid, all these issues surfaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Quote Once considered the most underrated star interior defensive player in the game (side-by-side with the likes of J.J. Watt), When Coached by Rex Ryan. Quote ......his star has rapidly fallen to the point of representing nothing more than the average rotational player. Since being 'coached' by Todd "Defensive Guru" Bowles. Under Bowles we have really just burned our way through the elite De-line we build. Wilk, now a overpaid JAG, soon to be cut outright at no value to us. Sheldon, gone, decent trade for that moment, but not for what he was. Snacks, gone. Leonard Williams, 2 sacks, pedestrian play as his star is already dimming too. Notice a trend? Bowles D-Line work sucks. He turns once-elite level guys into cuts and trade aways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Shouldn’t someone from the Jets organization have to stand in front of a microphone and answer why Mo Wilkerson starred for Rex, but quit under Todd Bowles? Or are are we just gonna act like cutting talented veterans every year because they stopped playing hard is just business as usual? Think maybe it’s because he got a huge contract? He played great and starred for Bowles too in 2015. Then he got paid lots of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Warfish said: When Coached by Rex Ryan. Since being 'coached' by Todd "Defensive Guru" Bowles. Under Bowles we have really just burned our way through the elite De-line we build. Wilk, now a overpaid JAG, soon to be cut outright at no value to us. Sheldon, gone, decent trade for that moment, but not for what he was. Snacks, gone. Leonard Williams, 2 sacks, pedestrian play as his star is already dimming too. Notice a trend? Bowles D-Line work sucks. He turns once-elite level guys into cuts and trade aways. Exactly Bowles and Rodgers coincidence..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: Ok so now what...Steve McLendon,Mike Pennel Mo was bad but the position is far from improved. Sign someone for cheap like Jared Crick, Mitch Unrein, Clinton McDonald, etc to give you basically the same production Mo has over the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Shouldn’t someone from the Jets organization have to stand in front of a microphone and answer why Mo Wilkerson starred for Rex, but quit under Todd Bowles? Or are are we just gonna act like cutting talented veterans every year because they stopped playing hard is just business as usual? Is it really your opinion that Rex/Bowles is the more salient factor than pre/post contract in this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Untouchable said: Sign someone for cheap like Jared Crick, Mitch Unrein, Clinton McDonald, etc to give you basically the same production Mo has over the last 2 years. Ok and where has that got us back to back 5 win seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, Untouchable said: Sign someone for cheap like Jared Crick, Mitch Unrein, Clinton McDonald, etc to give you basically the same production Mo has over the last 2 years. A sure route to Super Bowl greatness, at long as we trade our whole draft for Darnold, amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 32 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Not that it’s anything we didn’t already know. It’s just official now. https://clutchpoints.com/new-york-jets-rumor-team-likely-release-dl-muhammad-wilkerson/amp/ The only silver lining is the fact Maccagnan arranged the guaranteed money in a fashion that makes cutting Big Mo right now an agreeable option. Most of the guaranteed dough was delivered over the course of the first two years. This is the only reason why such money can be saved by cutting Wilkerson. Wilkerson, 28, has appeared in 105 games over his seven-year NFL career, raking up 44.5 sacks and 243 tackles. But he hasn’t been the same since making the Pro Bowl in 2015, the campaign that saw him register 12 sacks. The only question is whether they designate him a pre-June 1 cut (clearing $11 million cap space) or a post-June 1 cut ($17 million in savings). His lack of production and bad attitude makes this an easier call than when they benched him for the final two games of the season for, among other things, his chronic lateness. They have to do it before the third day of the league year (March 16), otherwise his 2018 salary becomes guaranteed. But don’t worry. They will. Why do people keep acting like this was some kind of intelligent move? How is giving this slouch $9M to play elsewhere agreeable? I am not sure how designating him a June 1 cut is supposed to save an extra $6M. I think it just pushes the money to 2019's cap. That will be relevant if we try to make a big splash - like Cousins. 18 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Someone should ask Macc what dumbass thought it was a good idea to give Mo $100 million C'mon. They didn't give him $100M. They gave him $53.5M. For two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, joewilly12 said: Ok and where has that got us back to back 5 win seasons. Back to back 5 win seasons can’t be contributed to Mo’s lack of production. Back to back 5 win seasons can mostly be chalked up to a completely subpar offense. The Jets are never going to consistently compete for the playoffs until they finally have a Top 10-12 QB behind center with some weapons around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, gEYno said: Is it really your opinion that Rex/Bowles is the more salient factor than pre/post contract in this one? Yes, because there’s a pretty healthy trend of veteran talent pulling in the oars under this coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Warfish said: A sure route to Super Bowl greatness, at long as we trade our whole draft for Darnold, amirite? So what are you proposing? Throwing $14 million a year at Sheldon to bring him back? If I’m the Jets, I’m not devoting anymore big money or high draft picks towards 300+ lb 5-tech DL whose main job is to occupy blockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Back to back 5 win seasons can’t be contributed to Mo’s lack of production. Back to back 5 win seasons can mostly be chalked up to a completely subpar offense. The Jets are never going to consistently compete for the playoffs until they finally have a Top 10-12 QB behind center with some weapons around him. There is no I in TEAM Im all for cutting Mo,hopefully we upgrade the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 wow so Macc puts together another smart contract he can get out of after two years, yet somehow the SOJFs still find a reason to complain? smdh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Back to back 5 win seasons can’t be contributed to Mo’s lack of production. Back to back 5 win seasons can mostly be chalked up to a completely subpar offense. The Jets are never going to consistently compete for the playoffs until they finally have a Top 10-12 QB behind center with some weapons around him. 2016: 30th O/28th D 2017: 24th O/22nd D Yep. It can mostly be chalked up the offense, which despite near zero intelligent resources allocated performed slightly worse than the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: wow so Macc puts together another smart contract he can get out of after two years, yet somehow the SOJFs still find a reason to complain? smdh No one is complaining all we are saying is improve the position. Replacing once stars with JAG's isn't going to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Yes, because there’s a pretty healthy trend of veteran talent pulling in the oars under this coaching staff. Really? Wilkerson had his best year In the NFL under Bowles in 2015. Fitz and McCown had the their best years under Bowles also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: 2016: 30th O/28th D 2017: 24th O/22nd D Yep. It can mostly be chalked up the offense, which despite near zero intelligent resources allocated performed slightly worse than the D. When your defense is constantly on the field because your offense can’t sustain drives, that’s what tends to happen. Do the Jets have some areas on D that could stand to be improved? Of course. But I’m a helluva lot more concerned about the offense at this stage. The defense is at least average, the offense is a steaming pile of dogsh*t and the only QB’s presently under contract are Petty and Hackenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, JetsFanatic said: Really? Wilkerson had his best year In the NFL under Bowles in 2015. Fitz and McCown had the their best years under Bowles also. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: There is no I in TEAM Im all for cutting Mo,hopefully we upgrade the position. And how are you definitely upgrading the position short of throwing big money ($14+ million a year) at Sheldon, who is 1 failed piss test away from a 10 game suspension? Drafting yet another 3-4 DE in the 1st round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, T0mShane said: Really. Yes. Same goes for Brandon Marshall in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 31 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Shouldn’t someone from the Jets organization have to stand in front of a microphone and answer why Mo Wilkerson starred for Rex, but quit under Todd Bowles? Or are are we just gonna act like cutting talented veterans every year because they stopped playing hard is just business as usual? I hope you're not arguing to bring Rex back. I think he played hard for Rex only because he was trying to negotiate a long-term deal. Nothing more. now, with all his money Mo can spend his days with senior citizens at the Golden Corral buffet. Bye Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Untouchable said: When your defense is constantly on the field because your offense can’t sustain drives, that’s what tends to happen. Do the Jets have some areas on D that could stand to be improved? Of course. But I’m a helluva lot more concerned about the offense at this stage. The defense is at least average, the offense is a steaming pile of dogsh*t and the only QB’s presently under contract are Petty and Hackenberg. TOP: 2017 16th out of 32. 29:47. That must be it! The defense is not "at least average." There are 16 teams. I agree the offense needs some attention, but that is only because of years (decades?) of neglect. It certainly isn't because the defense has shown any reason that it is set. They are basically a bottom 1/3 D and they are losing their CB1, ILB (that calls the plays), DE/OLB/EDGE, and this very thread is about cutting one of our top players, a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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