Patriot Killa Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2018/2/15/17014294/were-the-scouting-reports-right-marcus-maye-new-york-jets Yesterday, I took a look back at Jamal Adams’ pre-draft scouting reports and compared them to the profile of the player he turned out to be on the professional field. Today, let’s look at his partner on the backend, Marcus Maye. From NFL.com, here is a look at what they perceived as Maye’s positives and negatives entering the draft. We’ll start with his positives. Ready-made safety frame with muscular build and long arms. Really instinctive with above-average field vision and feel for the game. Eyes dart back and forth from quarterback to receiver. Correlates quarterback’s eyes and actions to a corresponding route and gets the early jump. Plays with good pattern recognition from both man and zone. Credited with a pass breakup or interception on more than 21 percent of his targets as a starter. Has speed to burst from sideline to sideline. Rangy tackler with in-play endurance for extended chases across field. Welcomes physical aspects of position. Sheds blockers quickly. Showed improved patience and diligence as tackler. Trustworthy as last line of defense. What seems right? Reading this section felt like reading a breakdown of the Marcus Maye that played for the Jets this season. Really, everything that is noted in this section, was part of what made him a very solid contributor this year. He certainly does look to have a strong build. His instincts, feel, and vision usually looked to be very good. His tackling range was excellent, and the note about his trustworthiness as a last line of defense is spot on. Here is a look at his negatives. Despite his instincts, credited with 10 touchdowns allowed during time at Florida. Inconsistent ball tracker. Has issues playing both ball and man down the field, and can lose feel with receiver. Tape shows some issues with hip tightness. Balance can be a little spotty and he’ll fight his hips when forced to transition suddenly on combination routes. Better coming downhill than playing on his heels. Missed final three games of senior season with broken arm. What seems right? I do notice a bit of a correlation with the first note relating to his touchdowns allowed. I agree in that while Maye was often showing some really high IQ out there, he was the last line of defense on a defense that ranked very close to the top in big passing plays allowed. What was his role in that? He had a few hiccups here and there when it came to losing a receiver downfield. What seems off? The negatives section claims he was better coming downhill than playing on his heels. I actually think he struck a really good balance this year. He made some nice contributions in both the run and pass game. He is absolutely not a strictly downhill, run-defending safety. I think Marcus Maye is very much the player the Jets looked to be getting; a disciplined last line of defense. He might not have the flashy tools to ever boast enough flashy numbers to become a perennial Pro Bowler, but he certainly has the instincts and versatility to be a good safety consistently. Combined with Jamal Adams, that’s a pair of two highly versatile and smart leaders to build around on the backend, and that’s what the Jets were shooting for when they picked them back-to-back in the first two rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 He'll get better as he goes and studies more, and as the team improves overall (pass rush). Just looking at the section "few hiccups" against Kelce....nothing studying film can't help. But looking at that part, i'll never understand why any team leaves guys alone with these athletic TE's, especially out in space. A especially when it's clear he's the #1 option for the offense. It's not just the Jets that do it. Also Rontez Miles needs to stick to special teams only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I read this and think that we used two top 40 picks to replace Dawan Landry and Yeremiah Bell. They leave the TEs alone because they need to help on guys like Tyreek Hill. Better to not give up the TD on one play and suffer death by 1,000 paper cuts. That one attempt he had at tackling Gronk made me sad cause that guy is not a elusive runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Dug up the Adams article too.... https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/2/14/17008452/new-york-jets-were-the-scouting-reports-right-jamal-adams Let’s start with Jamal Adams. From NFL.com, here’s a look at the positive end of his scouting report entering the 2017 draft. Natural-born leader of men. Well-built. Will not hesitate for one second as a hitter. Steps downhill looking to punish running backs to set a tone for defense. Toggles between patient and urgent in treks to the ball. Plays off blockers. Approaches target with open arms and wide, balanced base to limit escape routes. Intelligent field general. Gets secondary aligned properly. Plays with plus balance in coverage. Pattern reader who can digest combinations. Alert for misdirection keys from offense. Party crasher on screen plays. Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends. Five interceptions and two recovered fumbles over last two seasons at LSU. Special-teams terror as freshman and sophomore, notching 21 tackles. No penalties in 2016. Father, George, was a first-round pick of the Giants in 1984. What seems right? Adams’ leadership was hammered home throughout the entire pre-draft process. A lot of times that can turn out to be meaningless fluff, but that could not be further from the truth in relation to Adams. His leadership and intensity has been glaringly evident since he stepped foot in New Jersey. Lots of talk on here about his intangibles; “Toggles between patient and urgent in treks to the ball,” “plays off blockers,” “Gets secondary aligned properly,” “Pattern reader.” I agree with all of that. His IQ and instincts were very apparent and are special for a day one safety. It’s this natural football mind that has me believing he’ll clean up his issues and become a consistent star. What seems off? “Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends” - Can he? Absolutely he can. We saw strokes of genius against Gronk and Kelce. However, his entire body of work in coverage against tight ends was not good, as he gave up a multitude of scores to tight ends. This is something Adams himself has admitted he needs to work on. He absolutely flashed the ability to play physical with the big guys in coverage, he just has to nail down the little nuances to become more consistent in that area. “Will not hesitate for one second as a hitter. Steps downhill looking to punish running backs to set a tone for defense.” Jamal Adams can absolutely lay a hard hit. He’s an above-average athlete with a muscular, strong build for a safety. Despite that I think he had an alarming tendency to go for diving ankle tackles, often missing. I think his run defense was very strong overall, but I definitely think he needs to cut down on those weak attempts. For a guy with hard-hitting potential, we saw a bit too much of that. His weaknesses: Handsy and too willing to clamp onto receivers down the field. Hard-charging downhill, but a little stiff when asked to retreat. Long speed appears to be average on tape. Eyes drop when targets approach his area. Anticipation is average, limiting his range as a center-fielder. Will give away some interceptions due to drops. Slower coming to balance as tackler on bursting runners between the tackles. Desire to limit cutbacks leads to challenging play-side tackles. Doesn’t pursue with expected vigor from across the field. Aggressiveness opens him up against play-action. What seems right? “Will give away some interceptions due to drops” - they were right about this one, at least for one year. Adams had at least a few potential picks slip through his grasp. It’s another one I know he has personally acknowledged, and hopefully he can get that cleaned up. I was pretty surprised that this was actually noted pre-draft, good catch there. What seems off? I don’t think he was a “handsy” player. Playing mostly against tight ends in coverage, he was probably given a lot of leeway by the officials due to the size discrepancy, and usually took advantage with physicality. I thought he was effectively physical without going overboard. Takeaway: I think when the Jets got Jamal Adams we were expecting a versatile, smart, intense leader in the back end of the defense. And that is exactly what we got here in New York. However, similar to Leonard Williams a couple years prior, Adams was gleamed about as if his immensity of tools made him arguably the best player in his draft. He certainly was not close to that in Year One. Can he get there? Absolutely. Is he already a very solid player who flashed an immense ceiling? 100%. Still, eventually the Jets need to get bona fide gamechanging superstars with their top-six picks. Will Adams be one of them? He’s got a tremendous chance to. What do you think? Is Adams pretty much the player you thought the Jets were getting, or was he somebody who brought a package to the table you weren’t expecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: https://www.ganggreennation.com/platform/amp/2018/2/15/17014294/were-the-scouting-reports-right-marcus-maye-new-york-jets Yesterday, I took a look back at Jamal Adams’ pre-draft scouting reports and compared them to the profile of the player he turned out to be on the professional field. Today, let’s look at his partner on the backend, Marcus Maye. From NFL.com, here is a look at what they perceived as Maye’s positives and negatives entering the draft. We’ll start with his positives. Ready-made safety frame with muscular build and long arms. Really instinctive with above-average field vision and feel for the game. Eyes dart back and forth from quarterback to receiver. Correlates quarterback’s eyes and actions to a corresponding route and gets the early jump. Plays with good pattern recognition from both man and zone. Credited with a pass breakup or interception on more than 21 percent of his targets as a starter. Has speed to burst from sideline to sideline. Rangy tackler with in-play endurance for extended chases across field. Welcomes physical aspects of position. Sheds blockers quickly. Showed improved patience and diligence as tackler. Trustworthy as last line of defense. What seems right? Reading this section felt like reading a breakdown of the Marcus Maye that played for the Jets this season. Really, everything that is noted in this section, was part of what made him a very solid contributor this year. He certainly does look to have a strong build. His instincts, feel, and vision usually looked to be very good. His tackling range was excellent, and the note about his trustworthiness as a last line of defense is spot on. Here is a look at his negatives. Despite his instincts, credited with 10 touchdowns allowed during time at Florida. Inconsistent ball tracker. Has issues playing both ball and man down the field, and can lose feel with receiver. Tape shows some issues with hip tightness. Balance can be a little spotty and he’ll fight his hips when forced to transition suddenly on combination routes. Better coming downhill than playing on his heels. Missed final three games of senior season with broken arm. What seems right? I do notice a bit of a correlation with the first note relating to his touchdowns allowed. I agree in that while Maye was often showing some really high IQ out there, he was the last line of defense on a defense that ranked very close to the top in big passing plays allowed. What was his role in that? He had a few hiccups here and there when it came to losing a receiver downfield. What seems off? The negatives section claims he was better coming downhill than playing on his heels. I actually think he struck a really good balance this year. He made some nice contributions in both the run and pass game. He is absolutely not a strictly downhill, run-defending safety. I think Marcus Maye is very much the player the Jets looked to be getting; a disciplined last line of defense. He might not have the flashy tools to ever boast enough flashy numbers to become a perennial Pro Bowler, but he certainly has the instincts and versatility to be a good safety consistently. Combined with Jamal Adams, that’s a pair of two highly versatile and smart leaders to build around on the backend, and that’s what the Jets were shooting for when they picked them back-to-back in the first two rounds. Shouldn't we be trying to draft game changers and play makers that can take a game over in rounds 1 and 2? Maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Still, eventually the Jets need to get bona fide gamechanging superstars with their top-six picks. From the Adams article. But. This year would hopefully be that year we do if we happen to miss out on Cousins. I’m praying for a trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 basically adams and maye are two really good players but i don't see them as scary good. at least not yet. and it's also hard to see how either can be scary good coming from the safety position. but at the very least they're way better than the pryor/gilchrist pairing or just about any other pair they've had back there since the burgess owens days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, The Crusher said: Shouldn't we be trying to draft game changers and play makers that can take a game over in rounds 1 and 2? Maybe? The point is well taken, but it should not be used against the two players individually. MAccagnan. maybe. they are both good young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The point is well taken, but it should not be used against the two players individually. MAccagnan. maybe. they are both good young players. when you say maccagnan, maybe.. do you mean, why did bowles get left out of the conversation?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 These guys did not step into a world-beating defense and both gave a good account of themselves. Both will grow and we don't need to worry about the back end of the secondary, other than depth. Not too much to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 imo maye played better then adams this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: The point is well taken, but it should not be used against the two players individually. MAccagnan. maybe. they are both good young players. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Il Mostro said: These guys did not step into a world-beating defense and both gave a good account of themselves. Both will grow and we don't need to worry about the back end of the secondary, other than depth. Not too much to complain about. Some would argue a top 6 pick should instantly make them a top defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 hours ago, The Crusher said: Shouldn't we be trying to draft game changers and play makers that can take a game over in rounds 1 and 2? Maybe? Yes, agree with this going forward but the Jets needed to fill a huge void of talent left by busts who were supposed to be game changers, the Jets drafted solid role players in Williams, Adams, Maye and probably Lee this draft will be the key for Mac - this is the year for game changers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The problem with blogging is that you don’t have an editor to save you from Botulism-inducing word salad like this: “Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends” - Can he? Absolutely he can. We saw strokes of genius against Gronk and Kelce. However, his entire body of work in coverage against tight ends was not good, as he gave up a multitude of scores to tight ends. This is something Adams himself has admitted he needs to work on. He absolutely flashed the ability to play physical with the big guys in coverage, he just has to nail down the little nuances to become more consistent in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Marcus maye is good.... Let's bitch about Adams!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: The problem with blogging is that you don’t have an editor to save you from Botulism-inducing word salad like this: “Can handle coverage responsibilities against tight ends” - Can he? Absolutely he can. We saw strokes of genius against Gronk and Kelce. However, his entire body of work in coverage against tight ends was not good, as he gave up a multitude of scores to tight ends. This is something Adams himself has admitted he needs to work on. He absolutely flashed the ability to play physical with the big guys in coverage, he just has to nail down the little nuances to become more consistent in that area. “Strokes of genius” is the new “flashes of greatness.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, dbatesman said: “Strokes of genius” is the new “flashes of greatness.” Nail down the little nuances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Can’t wait until we cut one/both of them when they get lazy after an extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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