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33 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Quick: Put a value on him. 

I say $10M.  Good backup with the outside potential to be a starting quality player.  That puts him above Fitzpatrick and McCown IMO.  The Garoppolo contract probably helps him, but the flame outs by Glennon and Osweiler hurt. I would go a bit higher, but not a crazy amount more.  He will get considerably more, considering Glennon at $18M and Osweiler $21M, probably around $20M.  It will be interesting. 

I think he gets $18M on a one year deal. Could look like a multi year deal but will be similar to Glennons.

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11 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Jaguars Reportedly Exploring Free Agent QBs, Severing Blake Bortles Contract

ALEC NATHANFEBRUARY 23, 2018

 

FOXBOROUGH, MA - JANUARY 21:  Blake Bortles #5 of the Jacksonville Jaguars reacts in the fourth quarter during the AFC Championship Game against the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium on January 21, 2018 in Foxborough, Massachusetts.  (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)
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The Jacksonville Jaguars are reportedly exploring avenues to upgrade at quarterback in advance of free agency.

According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, Jacksonville's front office has been "actively" searching for Blake Bortles' replacement and that process "likely will continue—if not accelerate—next week at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis."

The Jaguars previously exercised Bortles' $19 million team option for the 2018 season, but some nifty maneuvering could allow them to avoid that payment if they can identify a signal-caller in short order. 

As Florio previously wrote, Jacksonville can get out of the final year of Bortles' contract if he's cut before the new league year begins on March 14. If he's still on the roster past that date, the $19 million will become fully guaranteed. However, releasing the quarterback is only possible if Bortles—who had wrist surgery after the season—can pass a physical before March 14.

However, that move is only likely to be made if the Jaguars can reach an agreement in principle with a free-agent quarterback during the league's two-day negotiating window that opens March 12. 

It's unclear which quarterbacks have caught the Jaguars' attention, but Kirk Cousins, Case Keenum, Teddy Bridgewater and Sam Bradford will all be searching for starting gigs this spring. 

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I thought for sure they'd go after someone like Tyrod but now that it seems he will be a Bill for at least next year I'm not sure who the likely target is.

I think Eli to Jacksonville makes a lot of sense and then the Giants take Rosen/Darnold and the Jags wait until the end of round 1 to take Lamar Jackson/insert other rookie. It gives them the QB that allows for 2 years of SB runs and then 3 years of cheap rookie contract after having 2 years to learn from Eli.

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Just now, Patriot Killa said:

Just came here to post this. He'll be 30 in June but if we aren't signing Cousins I'd be open to bringing him in assuming Dallas tags Lawrence.

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13 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

The team was 3-13 that year. Still came away with 800 yards and 6 TDs. And only 24. Yeah i'll take him any day. Let me know when someone better shows up on the market. Either way, if he hated playing with Bortles, he's definitely not coming here.

If Hack wants to help slightly justify his selection we will help us recruit his former teammate AR-15! I think he goes to a team with a QB, maybe tries to catch on in Indy to go against the Jags.

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1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

Mayfield got his numbers from playing crappy defenses in the big 10.  Yes he’s a friggin headcase like Manziel maybe he doesn’t do coke but besides that he’s every bit as much of a partier

He got big numbers playing in that conference but I haven't seen evidence beyond the arrest last year that he partied the way Johnny did. I think they are both played the college jock roll well but it seems like work ethic was an issue with Manziel where that doesn't appear to be the case with Mayfield.

Mayfield seems to love football and it will make him famous where as Manziel seemed to love being famous and used football as a way to achieve that. That's how I saw it at least.

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8 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Manziel loved football too and was basically the same story as Mayfield only he wasn’t a walk on.  They do have similar game anyone denying it is being an apologist.  Big 10 QBs: RG3, Bryce Petty, Vince Young, Geno Smith, Ryan Tannehill and Landry Jones.

 

Arguably the best qb to come out of the Big 10 in the last 15 years is Andy friggin Dalton.  The teams in that conference don’t play defense and all the qbs play shotgun spread one read offenses like your boy Baker Mayfield 

 

I'm not denying their games, they are pretty close. I thought Manziel was more of a runner than Mayfield but they both have a backyard football style to their game. I'm just of the opinion that Baker is the better QB.

Most QBs in college play shotgun and are 1 read QBs, there are plenty of situations where Baker moved to his 2nd or 3rd options. Darnold was in the shotgun just as much as Baker was, I'm not sure that matters much anymore. The majority of plays are run out of the shotgun in the NFL, the only time we see QBs under center anymore is for a run play or play action.

Shotgun vs Under Center

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2 minutes ago, Jetscreen said:

I was worried for the longest time that the Jets would go after Cousins. He's not a very good QB, ultra average of you're asking me and a guy that never gets you beyond like 10 wins. However, now it seems pretty clear to me Cousins should go to a team that is ready to win it all. Getting the most money should not be his main interest. The Jets are not even close to contending, so IMO he'll go to either Minnesota or Denver. Both of those teams are ready to win it all and just lack a decent QB. The Jets are terrible. 5-11 should not look enticing to Cousins, especially when he needs to consider the Jets OL is the main reason why they've been so bad on offense.

We needed to go after Cousins as option A, statistically speaking the chances of drafting a non bust QB in round 1 is about 50% or so let alone the odds any of these rookies even matches what Cousins has been able to already achieve is slim. I'm happy we get to draft our guy because there is something special about grooming your own guy but if we wanted the safest option to get top 10 QB play it was with Cousins.

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8 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Hearing Cousins is looking for 3 years $90M gtd.  https://t.co/h2Ny3vC8Au

— Mike Jurecki (@mikejurecki) March 3, 2018

That's makes sense, allows him to jump to another contender and/or cash in on another big contract. I would not have wanted us to get him unless it was on a 5-6 year deal, that's the only way to benefit from frontloading a deal. 

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3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

Dez isn't worth half that at this point of his career. Gets no separation and is a distraction on and off the field. 

I think he'd make a ton of sense for Indy.

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This Giants trade makes me think that they don't go QB at 2, If Barkley goes 1 do the Giants take Nelson or look to move back? I find this whole offseason more fascinating than any in recent memory.

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5 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

Waiting past the tampering period is a design to drive up the price and see if any other player acquisitions happen as promised. 

That means money matters. 

That means we get him. 

I think money will matter but if the Jets can lock down some good FAs early I think that will matter a lot. $30M + good FAs will look better than just $30M. He'll pick from the best situation, hard to imagine it won't be Minnesota.

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2 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

The rest of the earth also thinks he should take less money than he's worth because he hasn't truly earned it or something. Sorry but Joe Theisman not seeing or feeling him as a NY guy isn't a thing, literally no one could even clearly define what that is.

You can definitely have a big city vibe or small city vibe. NJ has suburbs so it likely doesn't factor in all that much, you couldn't get me to live in NYC. If the money is drastically different it will make it a hard decision for him but I think we are only being used to drive up his price.

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4 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

There's a gazillion awesome places to live just outside the city in every direction. 

The drive up the price doesn't make sense - this isn't old school MLB FA. There's a hard salary cap and the next closest team has $20 million less in cap space. 

Yes which is why I said the bit about the suburbs in Jersey. I was just saying I hate NYC and you could absolutely get that feeling from someone else. Not everyone likes that style of living, the type of people/personality that comes with living in this area as well.

It doesn't really matter how close the next closest team is, if they have enough money to raise their offer because of what the jets are offering that is raising Kirks price for that team. The Vikings could absolutely got from 30m a year up to 33m and that might be what gets it done. It doesn't necessarily have to be higher overall. 

I am thoroughly in the Cousins camp but I think if we have decided to turn our attention to the draft Kirks agent will still trying make it seem like the Jets are in the game. With us out of the picture I don't think Kirks bidding war will nearly go as high

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14 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

Here and now becsuse of some mental gymnastics, sure, this place is all in on the misery porn and I get that. Otherwise of course it matters, the money that can be offered is finite for every team but the Jets have more than everyone else to offer. The Vikings go to  $33, Jets can go to $36 without breaking a sweat, there’s still another $60 million in their back pocket. 

Yea I'm not disagreeing with that though. I think he is using the Jets to make the Vikings/Broncos offer better, that is raising his price. I would hope we could hit a threshold that those teams wouldn't go over but that doesn't mean Kirk will take a 5 year deal with us over a 3 year deal with the Vikings. It really depends, one situation is not necessarily better than the other.

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You’re going to give a QB who will be 30 years old before he takes his first snap, whose best season resulted in a 9-7 record, and you’re going to put him on a really, really bad Jets team, and you’re going to pay him $110 million dollars in cash for three years? This is advisable to you?

Honestly I'd have no problem offering 5 years $150M fully guaranteed, assuming the deal is front loaded. You'd want to keep him for the lower cap hit years late in the deal anyway.

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3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

This is Kirk Cousins. Kirk. Cousins.

You can structure that deal so he is paid comparable to the 15th highest paid QB in terms of his percentage cap taken up. I think you can win a SB with Cousins when his cap hit is that low.

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You know how the Jets could move up to two and help themselves AND the Giants? Offer to take Olivier Vernon’s massive contract off the Giants’ books. He’ll be 28 at the start of the season, has been a really good player, but his cap number is almost $20 mil this year and next. Offer them the #6 pick, one of the twos, and a future two for the #2 and Vernon. Hell, offer to swap Darron Lee and DRC while you’re at it. 

I don't know if the Giants want to move Vernon but I'd absolutely endorse this type of move. I love the idea of buying value using our salary cap to take on a big cap hit.

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Just now, Matt39 said:

I'm still feeling they go defense round 1, hedge on QB in later rounds and sign either Mccown, Bradford or Keenum.

I really hope that doesn't happen. It just seems like Cousins or a rookie in the 1st are the only way this regime has a chance beyond this season.

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2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

It’s not pure crap. How fast do you think a rebuild takes? 1-2 years? I listed in another thread several GMs that took 4-5 years to reach the playoffs once they started. And that was with some even finding their QB earlier on. 

Took the Jags 5 years, took the Raiders even longer than that. What happen to the 49ers was a gift from Bill Belichick, any team that acquired Jimmy G especially that much cap would have had a fast turn around. 

If we get our QB this season then we will be contending for a playoff berth this season, after that I think the sky is the limit.

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7 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Time to update your Mock lots of trades and Tags not represented in your Mock 1.0.

appreciate the effort though,

Yea haven't touched it in a while haha. I'll probably do a mock draft at this point with FA so close.

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I would rather us fully guarantee Kirks 5 year deal than give him a 3 year deal. I think we might be able to compete for a Super Bowl in 2019 and 2020 on a 3 year deal but I want a QB for the long run, 3 year deal reeks of I want another big payday and options to choose other teams. 

I hope we walk away from the table if he balks at a 5 year deal. Throw all the chips on the table and get up to number 3 or higher, there is a shot you may have your choice of QB at #3. Browns could go Barkley and Giants could go Nelson. I think it is probably more likely that one takes Barkley so maybe you miss one of the tops QBs.

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5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

i have a different theory on this.  i think mccagnan may finally realize that he may well have to trade up to get his qb if he wants to keep this job.  so he may actually realize that if he deals those 2nd rounders he won't be able to fill 2 needs, one of which would be rb.  so if he has to go a year by committee with a scrub rb but gets his qb it's ultimately a small price to pay.  but i think his goal is go into the draft with no glaring holes not b/c it will allow him to go BAP but b/c he may give up several picks to get a qb.

I 100% agree with this. As badly as I want to fill Edge and RB with our two 2nds I'd rather get the QB. Now is not the time to try and get value in a trade, I'd love to sit at 6 and take whoever but I don't want to risk Buffalo or Miami making a move to get up to #5 after the Broncos get Keenum.

@T0mShane brought it up before but if the Giants want to make a serious run at a SB and need to dump a massive contract I'd take that on in a heart beat and give up picks to move up. Maybe that contract equates to the value of a 2nd round pick which means we get a player while potentially retaining one of our 2nds.

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Just now, MDL_JET said:

I think that's what Kirk and his agent are telling telling teams. It's a 3 year deal and nothing else. You know damn well the Jets will give him whatever he wants even for just 3 years. 

I don't care anymore. Just as long as the Jets don't think they have to start adding aging vets to try and "win now". 

If that's their move I pray we walk away, I'm afraid we drop silly money on a 3 year deal because that is what is best for Mac and Bowles financial stability.

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2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The #Jets haven’t budged from their 2-year, $8m offer to Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which was put on the table before season ended. Still interest on both sides to get something done, but sounds like he’ll hit free agency. Risky move for NYJ. Seferian-Jenkins will be coveted.

I said he'd get $6-7M. I still think that is fair value considering his age and potential upside. I think he will be valuable for Cousins or the rookie that comes in, it doesn't make sense in my opinion to create another hole. If it's only a 2 year deal I don't really see the issue.

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3 minutes ago, Dcat said:

why?  He's not great at anything.  Average receiver with a few critical bobbles that ruined a couple of games.  Average blocking skills.  $4million per year is generous.

I think people are goingo be surprised how much he'll get from other teams. His age and health plus potential upside might been seen as more valuable than an old Jimmy Graham or an injury prone Eifert. I think he'll still be paid less than them but I can see why teams will want him.

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8 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

Give the same money to eifert on a prove it deal and let’s move on 

Dude just can't stay on the field. He's only played in like 40 of 80 games. The best ability is availability when it comes to the NFL. I think Eifert is the better TE but if we are paying him that much for 8 games it makes ASJ look like a better value.

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1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

the laughable thing is if the jets think that signing allen will lure cousins to sign with them.  i really hope they don't think this, that they can keep drafting defense and sign offensive players that other teams don't want to pay.

I think possibly enticing Cousins is just a benefit to wanting him. I don't believe that would be the only reason they'd want to sign him.

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9 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

we tend to do well with those Kinda guys Landry and Claiborne of recent . 

Eifert would be worth the minimal risk imo . For the hype we give ASJ . Eifert put up his numbers the year before  on 20 less catches . 

That was when we didn't have much money though. There is no reason to have injury factor into this offseason when you have too much money to spend especially if $40M doesn't go to Cousins.

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

ASJ is reportedly in Seattle as we speak.

Letting him walk will be our biggest loss for the money IMO. I hope I'm wrong but I think ASJ is going to have a big year.

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5 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

I might be only jets fan that won’t lose any sleep if ASJ walks .. god how will we ever replace those 300 yards . 

That feels a lot like McCown had better stats than Cousins so why bother. He was more important to this team than his stats indicated IMO. We'll replace that 300 yards but Seattle will get a 25 year old TE on the rise. I hope I'm dead wrong but losing him and opening another hole over that little amount of money is a mistake. Not to mention how it looks to young players who want to get a new deal from the Jets. 

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Just now, Patriot Killa said:

There was a rumor about the Bills trading Glenn, 21, 22, and I think a 2019 1st to get up to number 2. 

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I'm so torn on Cousins. I'd love to get him but I really hope Macc doesn't budge on a 5 year deal. If it's anything shorter than a 5 year deal I'd prefer a rookie. There is just so much excitement that comes with a rookie QB. I kinda hope he goes to Denver/Minnesota just so we have a reason get one.

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I really want to hear these contract details. I hope for a 5 year deal with heavy cap hits the first 2 years.

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If we can land Jensen I'll be very happy. I'm genuinely shocked how few people we appear to be interested in, I know it's early but I have a hard time seeing how we spend all our money.

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