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The Broncos needs to buzz off, they want the same offseason we should want the Jets to have and aren't really in a position to make it happen. Elway got his gift from the league already when they gave him Peyton Manning over the Jets, **** the **** off already. Today's rumor is they might be interested in trading for Ja'Wuan James, the Dolphins' young RT. Luckily he is expensive at $9.something million if not cut, which might cause some hesitation for a team with little cap flexibility like Denver. If/When he's cut the guy is looking at maybe $10-12 million a year - as a wild guess - on the open market thanks to the league dearth of OT talent. 

Once he's cut, something that's been in the air for a while and might really happen, he's a priority FA for Los Yets. Beachum - Carpenter - Jensen - Someone - James would be a competent 2018 OL they can build some depth behind in the draft. 

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Roger Goodell made almost $35 million in 2014 alone for helping the sport generate $13 billion in revenue, and that's just what they report considering citizens bought almost every team a stadium in the past 30 years. Just hoping to add some perspective in an offseason this board will get every opportunity to whine about the contracts players are signing.

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3 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

If the Jets spend 150 million the next 2 years on player contracts including 35 mill per season on a QB guess who is gonna flip that bill in an increase of Season Ticket Prices?

Do you, and I assume multiple posters here from the general attitude on player salaries, actually believe this is how ticket prices work? 

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5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Yes, spend a sh*t ton of cap space go 9-7, and increase ticket prices in the sections you didn’t lower during this past offseason, that is exactly how it works.

No, no it's not at all how it works. This is another basic economic concept - supply and demand - a smart HS freshman to walk us through. I've already seen some struggle with the time value of money earlier this offseason when the Broncos were totally definitely the Cousins favorites.

Sports fans and the serf mentality.....I'll never get it.

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17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

put Theismann in with “the rest of the earth” stack that thinks Kirk is signing with the Vikings.

The rest of the earth also thinks he should take less money than he's worth because he hasn't truly earned it or something. Sorry but Joe Theisman not seeing or feeling him as a NY guy isn't a thing, literally no one could even clearly define what that is.

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Just now, bla bla bla said:

You can definitely have a big city vibe or small city vibe. NJ has suburbs so it likely doesn't factor in all that much, you couldn't get me to live in NYC. If the money is drastically different it will make it a hard decision for him but I think we are only being used to drive up his price.

There's a gazillion awesome places to live just outside the city in every direction. 

The drive up the price doesn't make sense - this isn't old school MLB FA. There's a hard salary cap and the next closest team has $20 million less in cap space. 

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This “take less money” thing you keep saying...what do you mean? If the Vikings, as rumored, offer 3/$90mm, you’re suggesting the Jets should beat that by, what, $10 mil? 

10...20....whatever it takes. IIRC the difference in cap space between the Jets and Vikings this year alone is over $30 million. You'll all cry about it up until they start playing and/or Winston gets $200 million with $125+ in garauntees.

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1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

It doesn't really matter how close the next closest team is, if they have enough money to raise their offer because of what the jets are offering that is raising Kirks price for that team. The Vikings could absolutely got from 30m a year up to 33m and that might be what gets it done. It doesn't necessarily have to be higher overall. 

Here and now becsuse of some mental gymnastics, sure, this place is all in on the misery porn and I get that. Otherwise of course it matters, the money that can be offered is finite for every team but the Jets have more than everyone else to offer. The Vikings go to  $33, Jets can go to $36 without breaking a sweat, there’s still another $60 million in their back pocket. 

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13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Sooooooo, your plan is to pay Kirk Cousins $37 million dollars. Per year. For Kirk Cousins.

 

If this were actually how things played out, and it won’t be, is this supposed to be a bad or scary thing? Cousins is a badass player, which is why all your current favorite forever winners are trying to get in despite the lack of funds. 

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7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You’re going to give a QB who will be 30 years old before he takes his first snap, whose best season resulted in a 9-7 record, and you’re going to put him on a really, really bad Jets team, and you’re going to pay him $110 million dollars in cash for three years? This is advisable to you?

Cousins has been a starting QB for three years, it won’t be his first snap. He’s also been an excellent starter both in aggregate and with two back to back top 7s. I don’t evaluate individual players with team W-L record going back almost 20 years don’t plan to start with this sport. Yes to the last two. 

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1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

Yea I'm not disagreeing with that though. I think he is using the Jets to make the Vikings/Broncos offer better, that is raising his price. I would hope we could hit a threshold that those teams wouldn't go over but that doesn't mean Kirk will take a 5 year deal with us over a 3 year deal with the Vikings. It really depends, one situation is not necessarily better than the other.

The Vikings have a one year window with two league star pass rushers hitting FA next year, including a true elite in Barr. I don’t get why so many of you guys try to brush their roster’s proximity to FA as a non-factor whentheir whole sell is current talent. 

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1 minute ago, sourceworx said:

I'm not saying this is the case, but it may very well be the opposite. He could be using the Vikings to drive up our offer. After all, we have the most money to spend.

Right? Wouldnt that make more sense in a “he’s driving up the price” narrative? 

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Cool. Cool.

 

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This is Kirk Cousins. Kirk. Cousins.

Yep, about the level of response I expected.

I’m all for hedging and still drafting a QB, pretty sure I’ve said as much for months. But yeah, saying his name a million times incredulously does nothing. He’s an excellent passer, this shouldn’t even be news and most likely isn’t. 

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Just now, T0mShane said:

How else should one respond to “yes we should pay Kirk Cousins an infinite amount of money because we have more money this year”?

Infinite? Disingenous nonsense doesn’t work on me, Shane! We both know the Bills ain’t doing sh*t, Cousins is good enough to startfor a SB contender, and your feigned worry about salary is to rouse fear among the hens. 

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1 minute ago, dbatesman said:

SenorWhofans over here

dPacBills over here 

 

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ah. If only there was a Super Bowl contender with an opening at quarterback who was willing to pay him gratuitously over his value. Perhaps one who was recently one game away from this Super Bowl competition that you speak of.

Why would they want him, Shane? He’s Kirk Cousins! Which is it lol? You guys cant even keep up with your own nonsense narratives. 

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If only there was a team entirely out of contention who would pay Kirk Cousins gratuitously over his value and then tack on an additional twenty million dollars, but only to appease the union hawks?

No, no it would still be to land a franchise passer with his level of skill.

Why would the Jets have that bolded motivation but not Cousins - obligated to discount Minnesota for their final fifteen minutes of relevance before they start losing big talent to FA? 

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7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Why would the Jets pay that contract when they don’t have any big talent and a three year window?

It’s the QB position, the one position that has actually held them back for nearly 50 years. You’d be amazed at what QBs do for perception.

sh*t, look at how amazing you think the Vikings are with two upcoming 2018-2019 FA  pass rushers, a TE, and safety as their marquee talents. All they had to do was make one consecutive playoff and you’re riding them like this. 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Yes that is all that separates the Jets and the Vikings. 

Pretty much yeah. Well that and many millions of dollars in flexibility the next 2-3 years, plus more and more top draft picks this year. 

 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Now who’s being disingenuous? 

Not I, promise! I insist you guys are overthinking football. 

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5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The Jets don’t even have better safeties than the Vikings. SAFETIES! Hahahahhahhahahahahahshshshshahahahhshahshdhshshahgahahahgshshddjkdjdjd

Weeeak, but congrats to them? That safety is the only major player they have under contract past 2019. 

Again - insist until kingdom come otherwise - the Vikings are irrelavant by 2019 unless they get all of Cousins, Hunter, Barr, and at least one of Rudolph/Diggs to sign cheap. There is only the tiniest shot at that happening. 

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28 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Wait a second. Cousins is worth $120 mil but he’s not good enough to keep an NFC Championship Game participant relevant for three years?

Without their top pass rushers and pass catchers? Their top talent otherwise, past 2018, being a post-pime safety in his 30s? 

For all your whining about the money - do you think the NFL product deserves the $15+ BILLION annual revenues, tax breaks, and free stadiums? If yes then we’re not budging each other, and no obviously exposes you’re going with schtick. 

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8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

How? The Vikings are offering 3yrs/91 million.

The Jets would have to offer 100 plus..lol..no thanks.

lol that’s $9 extra million dollars spread out over years. Like the Bills and their draft picks, that is not buying what you guys would like to insist and imagine it can. 

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

 

No but really THO, the whining about money is nonsense. Get the QB, secure that position with all the resources, nothing matters otherwise. Suddenly you’ll realize again carazy things like Leonard Williams is a talent and Jamal Adams isn’t this piece of sh*t worth taking out all pent up frustrations on along with whoever else emerges.

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2 minutes ago, pointman said:

Last half dozen pages, a few trade posts and the rest a bunch of professional GM's discussing who is more professional. 

First day on a sports forum? 

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19 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

Considering a dozen trades have ALREADY happened...

Seriously, it's the best right now. I really, really, really hope this ultra rare bout of confidence and optimism I have gets vindicated. The entertainment value here alone...

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3 minutes ago, pointman said:

Yup. Teach me, since clearly you're amazing at this foruming.

No no, your widsom and perspective offered by layering on moooore sanctimonious outrage over people on a sports forum talking sports rather than sh*t talking each other puts you way above me sir. You are what I am striving to be - above the fray! 

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Just now, pointman said:

Lol! You got me!

No no sir, it is you that got me. Remember - I'm the loon talking football on a football forum. You're the guy preaching the truth - football opinions have no place here. Teach me! 

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3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

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Dude, you moderate a football forum and are throwing your support behind a guy throwing a hissy fit over people talking football for several pages. Shane and I spent zero time treating each other like we were above or below the other and left on amicable terms - THAT should be a goal here. Not this phony ******* horsesh*t this guy is getting praised for pulling.

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Just now, Sperm Edwards said:

I'm throwing support and praise? I was just amused by one of his posts...then further amused by the irony of yours that followed, as you're arguably the last one to talk about keeping things about football.

Lighten up, it's all good.

That's hilarious considering how debates between you and I have gone recently.

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2 minutes ago, pointman said:

I legit don't know who you are. 

One of your lessers, sir! 

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Annnnnd the thread's gone full JN. Lol...Tf is in the air this offseason? 

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6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Wait until Kirky Hoffa finds out the food vendors are all scabs.

You mean people who know their place and understand working for less money is truly fulfilling.

JN: Where money is a non-factor when job hunting!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, pointman said:

I don't know who you are, but I am leaning towards maybe not following your example. Its kind of... cringey. 

We've firmly established that you are the example. Too cool for the room, so cool.

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Jets Anxiety. We’re entering a stretch where we’re supposed to be rewarded for suffering through last year and we’re pretty much guaranteed to get boned. It’s like the post-apocalypse where we all start out as friends and then maggots start appearing in the food supply. Some of us say, “maggots are unacceptable” and some of us are saying “maggots are actually high in protein.” 

How come post-apocalyptic movies or movies where people get stranded without supplies rarely if ever take advantage of bugs as a food source? There's so many of them! 

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