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6 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Two thoughts:

1. Yes, anyone would go work in a sh*tty environment if it included $8-$9 mil more than the next available opportunity.

2. It’s very Jetty to attempt to beat the next available offer by $8-$9 mil for a quarterback that was just cast out by the Redskins and found himself with only two suitors in a league where people would give up their mother for a decent passer.

Just think. We are mere steps away from mac bidding against himself. again.

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1 minute ago, pointman said:

I don't get how others don't see this.

At the end of the day, the Jets will have gotten a quarterback and the money won’t matter because there are no current Jets who deserve a big contract extension any time soon (ever). 

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17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Two thoughts:

1. Yes, anyone would go work in a sh*tty environment if it included $8-$9 mil more than the next available opportunity.

2. It’s very Jetty to attempt to beat the next available offer by $8-$9 mil for a quarterback that was just cast out by the Redskins and found himself with only two suitors in a league where people would give up their mother for a decent passer.

That’s the thing though, I don’t think the Jets are in nearly as sh*tty of shape as many seem to.

Even if the Jets give Cousins $40 million in his first year, that still leaves basically an extra $50 million to add a couple of extra pieces and sign our draft picks. And we’d still have the 6th overall pick and two additional picks in the Top 50 alone.

Macc can turn this whole thing around overnight if he plays his cards right.

Now, if you’re skeptical about him being able to play his cards right, well that’s certainly understandable. 

As for the move by the Redskins...well, Dan Snyder is a completely incompetent dickhole. He’s proven it for going on 20 years. From giving a fat, notoriously lazy interior DL like Haynesworth a $100 million contract, the Adam Archuleta deal, all the way through letting a Top 10 QB like Cousins walk and replacing him with 34 year old gamemanager supreme Alex Smith while surrendering a 3rd round pick and their best young DB in order to do so.

They’re even dumber than us over there.

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40 million first year is really doesnt mean much of anything cap wise.

20 million base salary, 10 million roster, and 10 million signing bonus.  Cap hit 32.5 million.  29 and change avg the next 3 years

20 million base with 20 million signing is 25 million cap hit year 1.  31 and change avg over the next 3 years.

Both are 40 millon first year but affect cap differently.

My personal opinion would be 90 million first 2 years based on current salary cap the next 2 years.  20 million salary, 40 million signing bonus, 7 million roster bonus making a 37 million cap hit year 1.

15 million salary, and 8 million roster with a 33 million cap hit (15 salary, 8 million roster, and 10 million prorated signing) year 2.  That would leave his remaining contract at 25 million per (15 million salary with prorated signing) which will be on the cheap when contracts like leo, adams, etc come due.

Of course this is based on the reported 30 million per he is seeking.  If the contact is fully guaranteed, it makes no sense to backload it, and the Jets have the capability to frontload with the current cap space the next 2 years.  JMO.

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Just now, T0mShane said:

At the end of the day, the Jets will have gotten a quarterback and the money won’t matter because there are no current Jets who deserve a big contract extension any time soon (ever). 

But what about the fact that we won't take a QB in the draft now because of Cousins??

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The way I understood it was that the Redskins definitely wanted Cousins back but the relationship had soured so much that he didn’t want to be there anymore. That’s different that being cast out or not being deemed the franchise QB.

Now ultimately I’d rather draft our guy but Kirk is a franchise QB who is a free agent because of a colossal mismanagement of the position by Washington.. not because they didn’t want him 

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3 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

No problem homie. 

Without exposing too much for obvious reasons...

I'm not one to praise Maccagnan lately...but he's put a very very very creative and good offer, for both sides, out there...if Cousins takes it...I don't think anyone here (who is smart at least...) will complain about it.

That’s an interesting tidbit, and thanks again. I’ll be interested to see what the good “for both sides” part entails. I don’t associate Maccagnan with creativity, so now I’m curious,

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12 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

No problem homie. 

Without exposing too much for obvious reasons...

I'm not one to praise Maccagnan lately...but he's put a very very very creative and good offer, for both sides, out there...if Cousins takes it...I don't think anyone here (who is smart at least...) will complain about it.

Good looks on the tidbits bro. Always much appreciated.

Now I'm not as down on Macc as a GM like many here are, but I have had my concerns when it comes to he creative how can get (whether in FA or draft).

This offseason can go a long way into changing my views on him.

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10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

That’s an interesting tidbit, and thanks again. I’ll be interested to see what the good “for both sides” part entails. I don’t associate Maccagnan with creativity, so now I’m curious,

Again, my pessimistic soul agrees with you and thinks that we get spurned like the somewhat hot chubby/thicc chick for the hot, blonde, bimbo with a drinking problem (Vikings)....but I guess we'll see.

If he takes the bait, I don't think you'll be displeased.  Dare I say, you might be impressed with the guy who actually put together this deal.

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3 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

That’s the thing though, I don’t think the Jets are in nearly as sh*tty of shape as many seem to.

Even if the Jets give Cousins $40 million in his first year, that still leaves basically an extra $50 million to add a couple of extra pieces and sign our draft picks. And we’d still have the 6th overall pick and two additional picks in the Top 50 alone.

Macc can turn this whole thing around overnight if he plays his cards right.

Now, if you’re skeptical about him being able to play his cards right, well that’s certainly understandable. 

Yeah, playing the cards right isn’t something I associate with him either. And, if we’re being real, quarterback play wasn’t what was hurting the Jets last season until McCown went down. 

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6 minutes ago, King P said:

Good looks on the tidbits bro. Always much appreciated.

Now I'm not as down on Macc as a GM like many here are, but I have had my concerns when it comes to how creative how can get (whether in FA or draft).

This offseason can go a long way into changing my views on him.

I'm right there with you.  I'm expecting to be disappointed because I won't let my heart be broken...but I hope I'm as wrong as anyone.

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4 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Again, my pessimistic soul agrees with you and thinks that we get spurned like the somewhat hot chubby/thicc chick for the hot, blonde, bimbo with a drinking problem (Vikings)....but I guess we'll see.

If he takes the bait, I don't think you'll be displeased.  Dare I say, you might be impressed with the guy actually put together a this deal.

As you know, my first impulse is to expect the worst from the Jets in every scenario, but if they land Cousins there’s not much even a miserable **** like me can bitch about, even if it feels like ill-gotten gains that will result in propping up an otherwise hopeless regime. 

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11 minutes ago, pointman said:

But what about the fact that we won't take a QB in the draft now because of Cousins??

Honestly, it’s probably for the best. They would have ruined the kid anyway. 

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2 minutes ago, CotcheryifyouCan said:

i dont know why but the fact cousins is filming his decision for a documentary style tv show really pisses me off. 

It’s gross. No question about it. 

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Honestly, I’m all in on Kirk, but I’d be just as happy with a first round qb.

 

its the jets though, so I fully expect some McCown/Bridgewater combo going into next season 

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5 minutes ago, CotcheryifyouCan said:

i dont know why but the fact cousins is filming his decision for a documentary style tv show really pisses me off. 

Momma always told me Desperate is as desperate does 

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32 minutes ago, BigRy56 said:

The way I understood it was that the Redskins definitely wanted Cousins back but the relationship had soured so much that he didn’t want to be there anymore. That’s different that being cast out or not being deemed the franchise QB.

Now ultimately I’d rather draft our guy but Kirk is a franchise QB who is a free agent because of a colossal mismanagement of the position by Washington.. not because they didn’t want him 

^This post and the gross documentary thing had me wondering how Redskins Nation is responding to letting Kirk walk, and why we haven’t seen any Redskins lamenting his departure, and I came upon this long form article which, dayum, is full of sour grapes but also says that Kirk wasn’t exactly popular down there. (I’d cut and paste it but it’s long AF)

https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/03/12/opinion-be-thankful-for-the-end-of-the-you-like-that-era/

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Lith said:

 

Also guarantees Denver takes a QB at 4. Might not be the worst move to offer up a conditional 6th rounder for Siemian ASAP in case Kirk gives the rose to the hot broad.

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