Pac Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JiF said: I'll have to find the article. He gave up the 5th most yards in the league and was beat badly in numerous games. Wait he's been beat before? I was hoping we'd sign the CB who never gets beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jet Life said: Last season, Trumaine Johnson allowed a 34.8 passer rating on passes his way when in press coverage, while surrendering just 1 TD across 604 total coverage snaps. You must be thinking of someone else. Or you’re smoking crack. Let’s hope it’s the first ! I might be but I could have sworn it was Johnson who gave up the 5th most yards in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Pac said: Looks like at this mornings Wolfpack meeting JiF was assigned the task of sh-tting on the TJ signing. Apparently his marching orders were to just keep repeating "he's one of the worst in the league" without any evidence to support it. You go JiF! Run free! JiF always was one of my favorite posters I blame who fan for how bitter he’s become Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Pac said: Looks like at this mornings Wolfpack meeting JiF was assigned the task of sh-tting on the TJ signing. Apparently his marching orders were to just keep repeating "he's one of the worst in the league" without any evidence to support it. You go JiF! Run free! You've lost all right to have an opinion on anything. Go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 This Trumaine Johnson deal scares me. It is big money and we are basically locked for 3. He is an older (28) dude, this is the first time he is getting paid and he is coming off a bit of a down season. I like the guy, but this is a big signing, not an under the radar deal. I hope they did their homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, JiF said: I might be but I could have sworn it was Johnson who gave up the 5th most yards in the league. He did. But that can be deceptive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Obrien2Toon said: JiF always was one of my favorite posters I blame who fan for how bitter he’s become I blame the ilk and their founder Dom Shame... He used to be logical but he's become nothing more than a parrot for the wolfpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-free-agents-to-avoid There is it... there was another one too. I'll have to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JiF said: I might be but I could have sworn it was Johnson who gave up the 5th most yards in the league. Would really need to breakdown when those yards were given up though. The Rams were in extremely high scoring games last year. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those yards came in garbage time in a prevent defense but I honestly didn't watch many Rams games so couldn't tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pac said: Apparently his marching orders were to just keep repeating "he's one of the worst in the league" without any evidence to support it. https://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/29553/trumaine-johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: Johnson is one of the worst corners in the league?! Where's this coming from? It comes from the lazy and simplistic review of PFF stats and swearing that they are the true measure of a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, JiF said: GFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I’ll take TJ on a big deal over drafting Minkah @6 every single muthafukin day of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Pac said: I blame the ilk and their founder Dom Shame... He used to be logical but he's become nothing more than a parrot for the wolfpack. Oh I can’t blame Tom for anything hes still the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 And if you read the PFF article, it is said that he is a solid player but's he getting overpaid. In NFL FA, every player is getting overpaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: So he's allowing yards but not allowing TDs. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....I'll take it. So, in your mind if a cornerback gives up a 45 yard bomb to the 2 yard line and then that team runs it in, that means the CB was fine because he didn’t give up the TD?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, JiF said: There is it... there was another one too. I'll have to find it. From what I have read is he is one of the best in the league in press man; but not very good in off coverage. Also from PFF: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: And if you read the PFF article, it is said that he is a solid player but's he getting overpaid. In NFL FA, every player is getting overpaid Especially every player that the Jets sign. It is what it is. He had the Gruden lead Oakland Raiders as a potential destination. He came here because we showed him the money. I’d rather have him then have the extra money. We have it to spend not to admire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I blame all you goofy sumbitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, JiF said: Meh, I think Clairborne was better than Johnson last year. Johnson was legit in the, do not touch category. He's not good. One of the worst graded corners in the league. If you think Claiborne was better than you should expect Claiborne to get about the same contract as Johnson...the reality is he will get far less because he isn't nearly as good and durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: He did. But that can be deceptive PFF had him rated as the 68th corner out of 121... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, dbatesman said: https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-free-agents-to-avoid To be fair, his grades (as seen in link) are still legit good. I think the point was that he'll get paid as an elite shutdown he's not, but really nobody is anymore. We all knew Jets would have to overpay the big names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 And another one on Johnson's effectiveness in press coverage: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Patriot Killa said: Especially every player that he Jets sign. It is what it is. He had the Gruden lead Oakland Raiders has a potential destination. He came here because we showed him the money. I’d rather have him then have the extra money. We have it to spend not to admire. The Giants just gave nate solder 60 million and made him the highest paid OT in the NFL when he isn't nearly the best. These teams get bashed for spending too much and when they are frugal they bashed for sitting on their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, JiF said: PFF had him rated as the 68th corner out of 121... I know that. But they are basing that rating, given their other measurements, on numbers that can be deceptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, dbatesman said: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/player/29553/trumaine-johnson Thank you for finding these. I'm terrible with the google. Pac is literally the biggest moron on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, JiF said: Thank you for finding these. I'm terrible with the google. Pac is literally the biggest moron on this board. pretty sure you're the only one saying he sucks but whatever makes you happy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JiF said: PFF had him rated as the 68th corner out of 121... PFF gave him a grade of 74 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/trumaine-johnson/7067 PFF gave Claiborne a grade of 48 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/morris-claiborne/7012 Justin Burris was graded at 38 by PFF If you add our two starting CBs, you get Johnson. That's how much better he was than the players we had last year. He's a huge improvement. We overpaid for sure, but we had the cap space to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: So, in your mind if a cornerback gives up a 45 yard bomb to the 2 yard line and then that team runs it in, that means the CB was fine because he didn’t give up the TD?! No you fool, obviously that's not okay. I was joking. Obviously we don't want them to give up any yards or Td's. But unless any of you watched all his games, we don't know what those yards looked like. Nobody is expecting a shut down corner here. I think he struggles in off coverage and good in press. So we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Opens thread :eternal whining:: Ps I personally LOVE our loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, JiF said: PFF had him rated as the 68th corner out of 121... Can you send the link. The grade was like 77.something for 2017 per PFF in the link...there's no way that makes him 68th. Here's a good ranking with him at 15th, which is probably about right. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754252-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-outside-cornerbacks-of-2017-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Pac said: pretty sure you're the only one saying he sucks but whatever makes you happy.. Sssshhhhhh you have no credibility around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JiF said: PFF had him rated as the 68th corner out of 121... To me this is like looking at combine metrics. To get the full picture we probably need to look at the tape and what was asked of him. Given how great he was in press man coverage you'd think he backed off in garbage time. It's basically the defensive version of people using yards to justify Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: The Giants just gave nate solder 60 million and made him the highest paid OT in the NFL when he isn't nearly the best. These teams get bashed for spending too much and when they are frugal they bashed for sitting on their hands. Yeah, now that’s the signing for a fan to throw a fit about. That’s a terrible contract for a over glorified Left Tackle who didn’t get holding calls because of the Patriot logo on his helmet. He’s older and will not be that good. I can name 15 tackles better than Solder. I’m happy with our signings..and I was on the ledge just yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: PFF gave him a grade of 74 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/trumaine-johnson/7067 PFF gave Claiborne a grade of 48 https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/morris-claiborne/7012 Justin Burris was graded at 38 by PFF If you add our two starting CBs, you get Johnson. That's how much better he was than the players we had last year. He's a huge improvement. We overpaid for sure, but we had the cap space to do so. This post is the reason the Jets will never win a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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