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22 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The fact you are at an existing Red Lobster should be depressing enough

Probably the only intentionally funny thing you've ever posted. Kudos friend.

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1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

Knowing that what separated us from getting Wentz was Macc playing hardball with a 3rd rounder, I will absolutely blame him for that.

Watson?  I've eaten my crow over that.  I didn't think he was worth a top 15 pick.  However, I am nothing more than a fan.  The fact of the matter is that Maccagnan is a GM, and it's his job to be right about guys, not mine.  It also doesn't get discussed enough that Houston offered us a bigger deal than the one they ultimately made to trade up to 6 for Deshaun, and Macc turned it down because he valued Jamal Adams way too high.  I've made it known that I love Adams, but I would much rather have that trade and the 4th and 6th overall picks right about now.

The bills traded down and drafted what looks like a #1 cb in tredavious white and got an extra 1st rounder this year and another piece they used to go and get the wr they liked.

We'd be way better off now if we had white at cb, maye in the 2nd round and now had 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd roudners this year to get the qb.

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1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

So McCown and Allen, whom some media members have said they would be okay with, including Mr. SOJ Joe Beningo himself, would not be good for you

Too many people are buying into the hype.  Let’s throw out two years of terrible film.  Multiple games where he threw for less than 100 yards.  Second half of games where the coaching staff took the ball out of his hands.

Now all of a sudden, he improves his footwork and all of a sudden he’s Ben Roethliaberger. 

When he looks lost in preseason, the same media begging the Jets to draft this scrub will be circling the wagons calling for Macc’s Head.

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55 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Well that means they weren't smitten enough, were they? COuld the deal have changed at the last minute? WE don't know. These are the things that need to be known?

No, and that's where my frustrations with what happened come into play.  Here is the full story I discussed months ago with another poster via PM's, with all the details.  You have already made it clear that you don't believe me but for anyone else who wants it, this is what happened:

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Mo was 100% involved.  They had been working on a deal for a while and the team really wanted to move Sheldon instead, but Tennessee wanted no part of him.  The final offer from us, as it stood, was: Mo, 2016 1st, 2016 4th, 2017 1st, 2017 2nd, 2017 3rd. 

Tennessee wanted: Mo, 2016 1st, 2016 2nd, 2016 3rd, 2017 1st, 2017 2nd, 2017 4th (became Chad Hansen), 2017 5th (became Jordan Leggett).

Contrary to what has happened with Wilk since getting his contract, not many people saw any major red flags that said that he was going to become the polarizing player he is right now.  Yes he was coming back from an injury, but he was fresh off a big sack season and was, by all accounts, a good guy who was well loved by his teammates.  Put it this way...from what I understand, as a teammate, Sheldon was always viewed like that loud, really fun, great guy who you had known growing up, who you always wanted to have on your nights out at the club/bar, but at the same time didn't want to invite to important get-togethers like weddings, etc. because, as you got older, he never grew up and was just such a wild card.  His best friend on that team was Calvin Pryor, which says a lot given that guys attitude issues.  The other D - Lineman liked the guy, but knew he was no role model and guys like Leo, Simon, etc., gravitated towards Mo and, at the time, Snacks.  Sheldon's one saving grace was how much he loves football and how freakishly talented he was.  Other teams knew that and, at the time, were never going to request him for a big trade/give up a lot because the risk they'd be taking on was just too huge, freak talent be damned.  This also kinda answers the Dallas question.  It was not true. Dallas was, essentially, trying to negotiate through the media and Macc played that one right.  They never offered more than a conditional 4th that could go to a 3rd with some ridiculous clauses and Macc wasn't taking anything other than a guaranteed 2nd/low 1st because of the talent we'd be losing.  Eventually the team realized that Sheldon just didn't have the reputation to be relied upon...hell they didn't even fully trust him...they wanted Wentz bad enough, and came to terms with the fact that, if any team was going to gamble on Sheldon with a contract, it was going to have to be them if they wanted to get Carson.  From there, the talks were ongoing until the day that Los Angeles finalized the deal with Tennessee for the 1st overall pick (it was also known that LA was shooting for Goff, FWIW).  

With Cleveland picking 2nd, the FO felt that it was over and done with.  Wentz was gone.  All because of playing Hardball with a 3rd round pick. Cleveland never negotiated or reached out to anyone other than Philly because they wanted to try and get Bradford out of the deal with the Eagles, who were just hell-bent on getting one of the big 2 to groom for life after Sam's final years on his contract (they didn't want to trade him at all at the time).  Obviously they didn't, but when Tennessee sold their pick, any hope they had honestly went out the window because, at the end of the day, Bradford or not, Philly was a perfect partner for Cleveland and the Jets were much better for Tennessee because of the Titans need for D-lineman. If they couldn't get the first pick, they just weren't going to get Carson.  

As for other things...

•  After our deal with Tennessee fell through, SF offered a 3rd (pick 68 I believe) for Mo shortly after, but the Jets weren't interested (never blamed 'em).  We asked for a 1st instead and that was it.  SF said nope, never called back, and just used the pick on DeForest Buckner.

***In response to Maccagnan's thought process on trades***:

It's not so much that Macc isn't a deal maker, it's that he really prefers to do things differently than that.  Sometimes this can be a blessing (waiting to deal Sheldon because, believe me, no one came close to Seattle with their offers for him over the last 3 years) and a curse (Wentz).  Whether or not he's found a personal balance has yet to be seen but, personally, I think seeing him pull off a draft day trade for a QB that doesn't end up making him look like he got completely swindled would make a ton of people feel better, inside and outside (us fans) of the organization.

 

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1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said:

The fact you are at an existing Red Lobster should be depressing enough

Who fan made a good one

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1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

Browns have traded with every AFC East team now..except us lol.

Saving the best for last hoping for Josh Gordon to the NY Jets. 

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1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

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Remember when he came he had a ridiculously slow 3 cone or one of them.

and Polian said it was an unworkable number for a dlineman.  And he’d be a bust

But Polian doesn’t know anything

 

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1 minute ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Remember when he came he had a ridiculously slow 3 cone or one of them.

and Polian said it was an unworkable number for a dlineman.  And he’d be a bust

But Polian doesn’t know anything

 

Well so far he hasn't amounted to much but NE will turn him into a superstar.

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12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Saving the best for last hoping for Josh Gordon to the NY Jets. 

We're moving up to #1

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11 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Remember when he came he had a ridiculously slow 3 cone or one of them.

and Polian said it was an unworkable number for a dlineman.  And he’d be a bust

But Polian doesn’t know anything

 

Polian, to me, is a mastermind GM who knows what he is talking about when he opens his mouth on player or roster evaluation. 

Dude has been legit for many many years.

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put Theismann in with “the rest of the earth” stack that thinks Kirk is signing with the Vikings.

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Waiting past the tampering period is a design to drive up the price and see if any other player acquisitions happen as promised. 

That means money matters. 

That means we get him. 

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17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

put Theismann in with “the rest of the earth” stack that thinks Kirk is signing with the Vikings.

The rest of the earth also thinks he should take less money than he's worth because he hasn't truly earned it or something. Sorry but Joe Theisman not seeing or feeling him as a NY guy isn't a thing, literally no one could even clearly define what that is.

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5 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said:

Waiting past the tampering period is a design to drive up the price and see if any other player acquisitions happen as promised. 

That means money matters. 

That means we get him. 

I think money will matter but if the Jets can lock down some good FAs early I think that will matter a lot. $30M + good FAs will look better than just $30M. He'll pick from the best situation, hard to imagine it won't be Minnesota.

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2 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

The rest of the earth also thinks he should take less money than he's worth because he hasn't truly earned it or something. Sorry but Joe Theisman not seeing or feeling him as a NY guy isn't a thing, literally no one could even clearly define what that is.

You can definitely have a big city vibe or small city vibe. NJ has suburbs so it likely doesn't factor in all that much, you couldn't get me to live in NYC. If the money is drastically different it will make it a hard decision for him but I think we are only being used to drive up his price.

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3 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

The rest of the earth also thinks he should take less money than he's worth because he hasn't truly earned it or something. Sorry but Joe Theisman not seeing or feeling him as a NY guy isn't a thing, literally no one could even clearly define what that is.

This “take less money” thing you keep saying...what do you mean? If the Vikings, as rumored, offer 3/$90mm, you’re suggesting the Jets should beat that by, what, $10 mil? 

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Just now, bla bla bla said:

You can definitely have a big city vibe or small city vibe. NJ has suburbs so it likely doesn't factor in all that much, you couldn't get me to live in NYC. If the money is drastically different it will make it a hard decision for him but I think we are only being used to drive up his price.

There's a gazillion awesome places to live just outside the city in every direction. 

The drive up the price doesn't make sense - this isn't old school MLB FA. There's a hard salary cap and the next closest team has $20 million less in cap space. 

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This “take less money” thing you keep saying...what do you mean? If the Vikings, as rumored, offer 3/$90mm, you’re suggesting the Jets should beat that by, what, $10 mil? 

10...20....whatever it takes. IIRC the difference in cap space between the Jets and Vikings this year alone is over $30 million. You'll all cry about it up until they start playing and/or Winston gets $200 million with $125+ in garauntees.

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47 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Remember when he came he had a ridiculously slow 3 cone or one of them.

and Polian said it was an unworkable number for a dlineman.  And he’d be a bust

But Polian doesn’t know anything

A broken clock is correct twice a day

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4 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

10...20....whatever it takes. IIRC the difference in cap space between the Jets and Vikings this year alone is over $30 million. You'll all cry about it up until they start playing and/or Winston gets $200 million with $125+ in garauntees.

Sooooooo, your plan is to pay Kirk Cousins $37 million dollars. Per year. For Kirk Cousins.

 

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4 minutes ago, SenorGato said:

There's a gazillion awesome places to live just outside the city in every direction. 

The drive up the price doesn't make sense - this isn't old school MLB FA. There's a hard salary cap and the next closest team has $20 million less in cap space. 

Yes which is why I said the bit about the suburbs in Jersey. I was just saying I hate NYC and you could absolutely get that feeling from someone else. Not everyone likes that style of living, the type of people/personality that comes with living in this area as well.

It doesn't really matter how close the next closest team is, if they have enough money to raise their offer because of what the jets are offering that is raising Kirks price for that team. The Vikings could absolutely got from 30m a year up to 33m and that might be what gets it done. It doesn't necessarily have to be higher overall. 

I am thoroughly in the Cousins camp but I think if we have decided to turn our attention to the draft Kirks agent will still trying make it seem like the Jets are in the game. With us out of the picture I don't think Kirks bidding war will nearly go as high

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1 minute ago, bla bla bla said:

It doesn't really matter how close the next closest team is, if they have enough money to raise their offer because of what the jets are offering that is raising Kirks price for that team. The Vikings could absolutely got from 30m a year up to 33m and that might be what gets it done. It doesn't necessarily have to be higher overall. 

Here and now becsuse of some mental gymnastics, sure, this place is all in on the misery porn and I get that. Otherwise of course it matters, the money that can be offered is finite for every team but the Jets have more than everyone else to offer. The Vikings go to  $33, Jets can go to $36 without breaking a sweat, there’s still another $60 million in their back pocket. 

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13 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Sooooooo, your plan is to pay Kirk Cousins $37 million dollars. Per year. For Kirk Cousins.

 

If this were actually how things played out, and it won’t be, is this supposed to be a bad or scary thing? Cousins is a badass player, which is why all your current favorite forever winners are trying to get in despite the lack of funds. 

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1 minute ago, SenorGato said:

If this were actually how things played out, and it won’t be, is this supposed to be a bad or scary thing? 

You’re going to give a QB who will be 30 years old before he takes his first snap, whose best season resulted in a 9-7 record, and you’re going to put him on a really, really bad Jets team, and you’re going to pay him $110 million dollars in cash for three years? This is advisable to you?

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2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You’re going to give a QB who will be 30 years old before he takes his first snap, whose best season resulted in a 9-7 record, and you’re going to put him on a really, really bad Jets team, and you’re going to pay him $110 million dollars in cash for three years? This is advisable to you?

I was hoping you would exploit this before I did because I just don’t have the energy anymore to play this game with Gato lmfao. I was all aboard the Cousins express until I realized that express is never going to the Jets....time...to..move...ON.

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