joewilly12 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, NoBowles said: I like Mayfield, but you really think Bowles wants anything to do with him? Not a chance. Bowles is a boring predictable LOSER he has to realize you need an offense to WIN football games in the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: Bowles is a boring predictable LOSER he has to realize you need an offense to WIN football games in the NFL You know he just fired his offensive coordinator for passing too much? And the offense was far better than his defense? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pcola Posted February 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I'm saying going for the "best available" in a given year isn't necessarily the long-term winning move. It can actually set you back. When was the last time a top 7 QB at 29 yo hit the open market? You can’t compare this to Peyton Manning because he old and fragile. Cant even compare it to Drew Brees when he hit the open market because he was coming off of a couple of mediocre seasons and then a missed season with injury. There has literally not been a QB that has been in the top 10 in yards and TDs for three seasons become an unrestricted FA. This is the type of QB you HOPE Darnold and Rosen develop into. And you’d be lucky if they get there in their first 4 seasons. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, NoBowles said: You know he just fired his offensive coordinator for passing too much? And the offense was far better than his defense? Yep and he names Bates the OC and he is still the QB coach.....we are so screwed with this moron. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: Yep and he names Bates the OC and he is still the QB coach.....we are so screwed with this moron. Yep yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, NoBowles said: Yep yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, jgb said: Yup when I read that Macc "panicked" after the Texans PASSED on Hack in the 2nd round as if that was a secret signal of interest, I knew his time here was numbered. I actually recently heard Hack was not necessarily a Macc pick and the reality for me was far worse. Yes he was selected under Macc but there was a certain person who pounded the table for him and it wasn't Bowles. The scarier part is that this person is with our organization and could have a serious hand in drafting our next QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Reading this thread is what I imagine it would be like to read a transcript of my wife and her friends talking about their periods. The same 10 people in here verbally shedding their uterine lining like they do in every thread about getting a top 10 QB. The truth is they don't want a competent QB bc that would mean their bitchy schtick wouldn't get as much attention. Go get a tampon, stick it in your smelly bloody vagina mouths and stop derailing every Cousins thread bc you're feeling crampy and bloated. #NoOffense 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sourceworx Posted February 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2018 Realistically the Jets' choices at QB are either Kirk Cousins or Josh Allen. Rosen is out of reach. Darnold is too (and he sucks anyway). Mayfield is a huge question mark to give up a king's ransom to trade up for. Which leaves us sitting at #6 with Josh Allen, and his poor accuracy, staring us in the face. I like Lamar Jackson better than pretty much every other QB in this draft, but I'm obviously in the minority in that regard. So in the end it's a no-brainer. Pay Kirk Cousins a monster salary, and use the draft to build around him. Do it and don't look back. 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, choon328 said: Reading this thread is what I imagine it would be like to read a transcript of my wife and her friends talking about their periods. The same 10 people in here verbally shedding their uterine lining like they do in every thread about getting a top 10 QB. The truth is they don't want a competent QB bc that would mean their bitchy schtick wouldn't get as much attention. Go get a tampon, stick it in your smelly bloody vagina mouths and stop derailing every Cousins thread bc you're feeling crampy and bloated. #NoOffense So you support the jets giving him a 100% guaranteed contract. Good to have that on record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Realistically the Jets' choices at QB are either Kirk Cousins or Josh Allen. Rosen is out of reach. Darnold is too (and he sucks anyway). Mayfield is a huge question mark to give up a king's ransom to trade up for. Which leaves us sitting at #6 with Josh Allen, and his poor accuracy, staring us in the face. I like Lamar Jackson better than pretty much every other QB in this draft, but I'm obviously in the minority in that regard. So in the end it's a no-brainer. Pay Kirk Cousins a monster salary, and use the draft to build around him. Do it and don't look back. Darnold is the best qb in the draft and he will prove it. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just now, Beerfish said: Darnold is the best qb in the draft and he will prove it. Good luck with that prediction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: So you support the jets giving him a 100% guaranteed contract. Good to have that on record. To my knowledge, a 100% guaranteed contract of this magnitude would be unprecedented. It's a bit of a ridiculous premise and highly unlikely to occur. For the sake of argument, if it does happen, I would be willing to bet it comes with compromises in other areas. For example, $20 million per year instead of the predicted ~$30 million per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I actually recently heard Hack was not necessarily a Macc pick and the reality for me was far worse. Yes he was selected under Macc but there was a certain person who pounded the table for him and it wasn't Bowles. The scarier part is that this person is with our organization and could have a serious hand in drafting our next QB. Hopefully they've moved on from letting Groundskeeper Willie into the war room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Darnold is the best qb in the draft and he will prove it. no dude, seriously he is gonna flop 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 NO MORE KIRK COUSINS THREADS SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.milehighreport.com/platform/amp/2018/2/17/17023512/jets-kirk-cousins-fully-guaranteed-contract-broncos The Denver Broncos and New York Jets are emerging as the serious contenders for Kirk Cousins once free agency begins. The Broncos have the ability to offer Cousins a lucrative contract, but will need to appeal to his desire to win to overcome the massive cap advantage the Jets will hold in these negotiations. One way they can bring down the Broncos in these sweepstakes is to offer Cousins a fully guaranteed contract. According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, league sources believe the Jets could offer Cousins a 4-6 year fully guaranteed contract to sway him to sign with them. With Cousins rocketing toward the open market (efforts by his current team to conjure up a way to trade him notwithstanding), the question becomes whether the next contract he signs will be fully guaranteed, for the full duration of its four, five, or six years. One team already is being pegged in league circles as having the willingness to do it: The Jets. If the Jets will do it, other suitors for Cousins may have no choice but to follow suit. John Elway has a tendency to avoid big cap issues beyond 2-3 years, so he might balk at offering a deal like this to Cousins as the fully guaranteed aspect of the contract in years 4-6 could/would impact the cap in ways the Broncos may not like. So I’m assuming Florio’s source is Cousins agent here. If not this team is stupider then I thought which is pretty hard to top my current thoughts on their stupidness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Realistically the Jets' choices at QB are either Kirk Cousins or Josh Allen. Rosen is out of reach. Darnold is too (and he sucks anyway). Mayfield is a huge question mark to give up a king's ransom to trade up for. Which leaves us sitting at #6 with Josh Allen, and his poor accuracy, staring us in the face. I like Lamar Jackson better than pretty much every other QB in this draft, but I'm obviously in the minority in that regard. So in the end it's a no-brainer. Pay Kirk Cousins a monster salary, and use the draft to build around him. Do it and don't look back. No, just no. There are so many reasons this is a bad move, even horrible move for any team, and a shocking number of red flags for even considering this guy. I hate McClown but Id rather have him back for Bowles and Macs last year rather than completely screwing over our future with this boat anchor. A QB WILL drop to us maybe more than one and trading to 3 or 1 should not be so prohibitive as to not consider it, if you think he is a franchise guy. Cousins is the ultimate stay mediocre move. It makes my stomach turn. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: no dude, seriously he is gonna flop We shouldn't draft Allen because his low completion percentage won't improve in the pros, but somehow Darnold's turnover rate will. 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Mogglez said: Ryan, Rodgers, Wentz, Goff, etc. Imo Cousins doesn’t belong in the same sentence as these guys talent wise, OR money wise most importantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 6 hours ago, T0mShane said: Game it out. Spend that hundred mil, subtracting the $30-40 mil you’re about to lock up Cousins with, and show me the competitive roster the Jets are left with: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ Did it go from 25-30 to 30-40 for the sake of argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 36 minutes ago, choon328 said: Reading this thread is what I imagine it would be like to read a transcript of my wife and her friends talking about their periods. The same 10 people in here verbally shedding their uterine lining like they do in every thread about getting a top 10 QB. The truth is they don't want a competent QB bc that would mean their bitchy schtick wouldn't get as much attention. Go get a tampon, stick it in your smelly bloody vagina mouths and stop derailing every Cousins thread bc you're feeling crampy and bloated. #NoOffense ????YOU’VE BEEN HIT BY?? ???YOU’VE BEEN STRUCK BY?? ???A CHOON CRIMINAL?? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, johnnysd said: No, just no. There are so many reasons this is a bad move, even horrible move for any team, and a shocking number of red flags for even considering this guy. I hate McClown but Id rather have him back for Bowles and Macs last year rather than completely screwing over our future with this boat anchor. A QB WILL drop to us maybe more than one and trading to 3 or 1 should not be so prohibitive as to not consider it, if you think he is a franchise guy. Cousins is the ultimate stay mediocre move. It makes my stomach turn. Which QB do you think we should draft? And not Rosen, because that's pie in the sky b.s. that isn't realistic. Name the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, TnT said: Did it go from 25-30 to 30-40 for the sake of argument? Assuming that they front-load the sh*t out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: Imo Cousins doesn’t belong in the same sentence as these guys talent wise, OR money wise most importantly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 7 hours ago, T0mShane said: I’m choosing to believe that this is just Cousins’ agent grinding out an extra guaranteed year from Elway. Let's hope you're right. Giving one guy that percentage of your cap for that length of time is worse than anything Idzick ever did. Man I hope Macc isn't that stupid. Unfortunately I think he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Assuming that they front-load the sh*t out of it You F’n assumer you!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, sourceworx said: We shouldn't draft Allen because his low completion percentage won't improve in the pros, but somehow Darnold's turnover rate will. actually, it can/will and is 100x more correctable. Poor example on your part. Also, i hear what you're saying about our options. Not saying you're wrong, but it's not as black and white as you're illustrating. We could trade up to #2 tomorrow if we wanted to. NYG would sell us the #2 pick if the ransom was high enough. Just like "fully guaranteed", there's a draft version of all in as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, sourceworx said: Which QB do you think we should draft? And not Rosen, because that's pie in the sky b.s. that isn't realistic. Name the QB. Again, appreciate the position you're taking, but it's not that black and white man. First of all, it's Feb. Combine hasn't even happened. Yes, there's versions of reality that Rosen doesn't go in the top 2. If Mayfield goes #1 (which you should start to accept is a possibility), then all bets are off with NYG and everything else. If we WANTED to, we can have one of the top 3 at IND's pick. We're in the thick of act #2 right now. Still a ways to go till climax. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, choon328 said: Reading this thread is what I imagine it would be like to read a transcript of my wife and her friends talking about their periods. The same 10 people in here verbally shedding their uterine lining like they do in every thread about getting a top 10 QB. The truth is they don't want a competent QB bc that would mean their bitchy schtick wouldn't get as much attention. Go get a tampon, stick it in your smelly bloody vagina mouths and stop derailing every Cousins thread bc you're feeling crampy and bloated. #NoOffense You have to be kidding me. You're in favor of committing that much money and cap space to a guy who hasn't won a thing? On a team that has a shell of an offensive line, no every down RB, and not to mention a WR group that is so thin dental floss could cover them. That's only the problems on the offensive side of the ball. Get your head out of your azz and actually think before you post. Jesus H Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Philc1 said: You’re right but after Petty and Hack what confidence should jet fans have in a) their ability to evaluate college qbs and b. Develop those qbs Understood, but what this also indicates is that perhaps THEY don't have confidence in their own scouts. They are gutless but perfect for a rudderless franchise. It sux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 3 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: I think you're cherry-picking sentences, failing to grasp (or simply ignoring) context and seemingly blaming Kirk Cousins for the Redskins... how good would they have been if they kept the three first rounders and a second rounder they traded away for RGIII and instead just built a decent roster? The Redskins are 24-23-1 over the past three season by the way... what do you think their record would've been without Cousins'? Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV 2012 24 WAS qb 12 3 1 1-0-0 33 48 68.8 466 4 8.3 3 6.3 77 9.7 8.6 14.1 155.3 101.6 79.0 3 27 8.61 7.53 5.9 1 1 2 2013 25 WAS qb 12 5 3 0-3-0 81 155 52.3 854 4 2.6 7 4.5 62 5.5 4.0 10.5 170.8 58.4 38.8 5 32 5.14 3.67 3.1 -2 2014 26 WAS qb 8 6 5 1-4-0 126 204 61.8 1710 10 4.9 9 4.4 81 8.4 7.4 13.6 285.0 86.4 55.8 8 70 7.74 6.77 3.8 4 2015 27 WAS QB 8 16 16 9-7-0 379 543 69.8 4166 29 5.3 11 2.0 78 7.7 7.8 11.0 260.4 101.6 71.0 26 186 6.99 7.14 4.6 2 3 12 2016* 28 WAS QB 8 16 16 8-7-1 406 606 67.0 4917 25 4.1 12 2.0 80 8.1 8.0 12.1 307.3 97.2 71.7 23 190 7.52 7.45 3.7 4 4 15 2017 29 WAS QB 8 16 16 7-9-0 347 540 64.3 4093 27 5.0 13 2.4 74 7.6 7.5 11.8 255.8 93.9 50.5 41 342 6.46 6.38 7.1 1 4 12 Career 62 57 26-30-1 1372 2096 65.5 16206 99 4.7 55 2.6 81 7.7 7.5 11.8 261.4 93.7 106 847 6.98 6.75 4.8 8 12 43 The cousins tiger beat club has got to stop beating the rest of us over the head with his fcking yards and completion %.... We get it. We all get it; he put up numbers... so what? Fitz did it too a couple times. It's not enough to warrant the red fully guaranteed carpet. (this isn't all specifically directed at you) This stat tables don't tell the whole story. Like why couldn't they win? The NFC EAST has been a putrid pile of discharge for the majority of Cousins starting career. Why couldn't he capitalize on that? Are you really going to chalk his paltry record to everything that's out of his hands? Cmoooon. we all know that's bullsh*t. the good ones win. They just do. Why couldn't he close games. You could look at Chris Thompson's record on the field, and he's 80% of the reason WSH won any games last year. There's more going on that your table captures. Magical ponies don't wind up on the FA wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 58 minutes ago, Paradis said: actually, it can/will and is 100x more correctable. Poor example on your part. Also, i hear what you're saying about our options. Not saying you're wrong, but it's not as black and white as you're illustrating. We could trade up to #2 tomorrow if we wanted to. NYG would sell us the #2 pick if the ransom was high enough. Just like "fully guaranteed", there's a draft version of all in as well. Of course there is. However each QB in this draft has huge worts, some worse than others. Rosen has a concussion history and there are questions about his dedication to the game, Darnold's go-to receiver is the other team, Allen couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat, and Mayfield is an oompa loompa with an attitude problem. The safe bet is Cousins. You know what you're getting with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Paradis said: The cousins tiger beat club has got to stop beating the rest of us over the head with his fcking yards and completion %.... We get it. We all get it; he put up numbers... so what? Fitz did it too a couple times. It's not enough to warrant the red fully guaranteed carpet. (this isn't all specifically directed at you) This stat tables don't tell the whole story. Like why couldn't they win? The NFC EAST has been a putrid pile of discharge for the majority of Cousins starting career. Why couldn't he capitalize on that? Are you really going to chalk his paltry record to everything that's out of his hands? Cmoooon. we all know that's bullsh*t. the good ones win. They just do. Why couldn't he close games. You could look at Chris Thompson's record on the field, and he's 80% of the reason WSH won any games last year. There's more going on that your table captures. Magical ponies don't wind up on the FA wire 6 The Official Cousins Tiger Beat Club will respond to all of your faulty arguments; a. Statistics for a quarterback are important; I don't see why I should ignore them? b. How would the Redskins roster look if they didn't trade away three firsts and a second for RGIII? Do you think that affected their competitiveness? Redskins are 24-23-1 the past three years btw, what do you think their record would be during that time with Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick? c. The Eagles won the super bowl this year. Dallas was 13-3 last year with the best offensive line in the league coupled with the emergence of Dak and Zeke (Giants were 11-5 last year too, with a ridiculous defense). Two years ago, Cousin's first full season as a starter, the Redskins won the division @ 9-7. d. Magical ponies don't normally wind up being free agents, so we should ignore the best free agent quarterback to ever hit the open market? Brees was coming off a shoulder injury when he hit the open market, plus he wasn't really the Drew Brees yet. Peyton was pushing 40 with a serious neck injury and diminished skills when he hit the market. This is uncharted territory... don't be afraid. Yea I'm not advocating to guarantee the entirety of the guy's contract. Most likely this is a silly rumor by florio or a leak by Cousins' agent. But I'll entertain it anyway because The Official Cousins Tiger Beat Club observes that we pick @ 6 and there are three teams ahead of us that need qb's... but we happen to have a f***load of cap space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Mike Florio has used Manish Mehta as a source on more than one occasion. He's probably Florio's source for this one too, which means this is most likely full of sh*t, just like Mehta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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