Per sources, Jets could offer Kirk Cousins fully guaranteed contract. (Merged Cousins Jets $$$ thread)

[JoJoTownsell1]

1 hour ago, Lupz27 said:

Imo Cousins doesn’t belong in the same sentence as these guys talent wise, OR money wise most importantly.

So when you were watching cousins throw for 4900 yards in 2016 you were thinking Goff and others had better talent and would have done how much better in that offense? Ryan would have gone for 6000 yards? Goff maybe 5500?

The cousins haters are funny.

[Beerfish]

2 hours ago, jetspenguin said:

no dude, seriously he is gonna flop

Let me guess you would like to trade up to #3 to get baker mayfield.

[Beerfish]

2 hours ago, sourceworx said:

Good luck with that prediction.

I don't need luck I have elite QB evaluation skillzzzz.

[Obrien2Toon]

8 hours ago, Untouchable said:

Sure it is 

I’d take an offensive lineup similar to something like this next year and not think twice.

 

QB Kirk Cousins (FA)

RB Sony Michel (#37)

WR Jarvis Landry (FA)

WR Robby Anderson 

WR Quincy Enunwa 

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

LT Kelvin Beachum 

LG Quenton Nelson (#6)

C Weston Richburg (FA)

RG Brian Winters 

RT Brandon Shell

I’d still prefer to draft a QB

but not going to lie, this has me a little excited 

[Beerfish]

25 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

So when you were watching cousins throw for 4900 yards in 2016 you were thinking Goff and others had better talent and would have done how much better in that offense? Ryan would have gone for 6000 yards? Goff maybe 5500?

The cousins haters are funny.

I think you confuse hate with something else.  People that may not be in favor of the player can acknowledge that he as put up some nice numbers and is better than what we have.

Is he worth being the highest paid Qb in the league and committed to 100% for the next 5 years?  That is the major issue.

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

12 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I think you confuse hate with something else.  People that may not be in favor of the player can acknowledge that he as put up some nice numbers and is better than what we have.

Is he worth being the highest paid Qb in the league and committed to 100% for the next 5 years?  That is the major issue.

 

The way the league works, they'll be a new highest paid QB in the league ever year. Next years highest paid will be Jimmy G, Stafford, Derek Carr, Luck, flacco. That's the NFL. You either pay these dudes or you have no QB. 

We don't have the first overall so our other option is settling or trading away our entire draft for the guy we want (assuming Cleveland will trade down) . 

All of that is what makes cousins so valuable and the 28-30 million dollar price tag not that crazy.

[Lupz27]

54 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

So when you were watching cousins throw for 4900 yards in 2016 you were thinking Goff and others had better talent and would have done how much better in that offense? Ryan would have gone for 6000 yards? Goff maybe 5500?

The cousins haters are funny.

I’m not hating just using my eyes, and not reading his final stat line for a season (because that works so well let’s all argue over sh*tzpatrick post 2015 stats again).  I don’t hate Cousins, but I hate him at any ridiculous number Salary wise over a cheap draft, and develop our guy.  Also I HATE A Smith as a QB who can’t  take you beyond Chad Pennington esque heights, and Washington is letting Cousins go for him instead of just matching an offer on the transition tag, that tells me a lot.  I just don’t see Cousins more then the same Alex Smith type keep spinning your wheels at 7-9-10-6, but no shot at a SB QB.

[Fantasy Island]

10 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Imagine locking up $30 million dollars in cap space for the next five years in a player that the Redskins are voluntarily throwing away.

This is what happens when you draft defense in the first round every year.  They want to draft Minkah so bad they will pay Kirk whatever he wants.

[Paradis]

2 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

The Official Cousins Tiger Beat Club will respond to all of your faulty arguments;

a. Statistics for a quarterback are important; I don't see why I should ignore them?

b. How would the Redskins roster look if they didn't trade away three firsts and a second for RGIII?  Do you think that affected their competitiveness?  Redskins are 24-23-1 the past three years btw, what do you think their record would be during that time with Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick?  

c. The Eagles won the super bowl this year.  Dallas was 13-3 last year with the best offensive line in the league coupled with the emergence of Dak and Zeke (Giants were 11-5 last year too, with a ridiculous defense).  Two years ago, Cousin's first full season as a starter, the Redskins won the division @ 9-7.  

d. Magical ponies don't normally wind up being free agents, so we should ignore the best free agent quarterback to ever hit the open market?  Hell Brees was coming off a shoulder injury when he hit the open market, plus he wasn't really the Drew Brees yet.  Peyton was pushing 40 with a serious neck injury and diminished skills when he hit the market.  This is uncharted territory... don't be afraid.  

Yea I'm not advocating to guarantee the entirety of the guy's contract.  Most likely this is a silly rumor by florio or a leak by Cousins' agent.  But I'll entertain it anyway because The Official Cousins Tiger Beat Club observes that we pick @ 6 and there are three teams ahead of us that need qb's... and we have a f***load of cap space.  

 

For fun:

a) Yes, they're an important part of the resume. But they're the only tangible thing backing up Cousins at the moment, and this thread is saying that alone is enough to fully guarantee a contract? Cmon.

b) You're saying the RG3 trade effected the WSH roster? The eagles traded up and won a superbowl - their roster was just fine. The price tag is about as impactful as a fully guaranteed contract. 

c) Those inflated records are a product of the soft division. Why do you think NE winds up with a 12-4 record every year?

d) Exactly. Brees. You're trying to sell me that Cousins belongs in that conversation. I'm not sold. Not that far along anyway. 

 

 

[choon328]

3 hours ago, Beerfish said:

So you support the jets giving him a 100% guaranteed contract.

Good to have that on record.

What i support is getting a top 10 QB by any means necessary. All we've complained about forever is that the Jets don't have a QB. That the Jets give out big contracts to defensive lineman and CB's. Now they have an opportunity to bring in a top 10 QB in the prime of his career and have $70 million to build around him for the next 5 seasons. If the Jets had the first pick then I may have a different opinion but they don't. Signing Cousins would be something the Jets have NEVER done before. They've always either drafted a young guy or signed an old passed his prime veteran to hold the fort. This is an opportunity to bring in a guy who can lead us for the foreseeable future. The argument that he hasn't won so he won't ever win is about as nonsensical as they come. 

 

Really the question is Kirk Cousins and about $70 million in free agency this year, the 2018 first round pick plus both 2nd round picks this year and the 2019 first to build the team around him. (That is what it will take to get into the top 3 to secure one of the QB's that are franchise guys. You always pay a higher price when the targets are QB's)

 

OR

 

A top 3 QB in the draft and $85 million in free agency this year minus those picks above.

 

I'll take the Top 10 QB and all my picks with $20 million less in free agency this year. And I'd rather the Jets go full force after him than be scared to pull the trigger and act like little girls. So if that means fully guaranteeing his deal than that's what that means. 

[choon328]

8 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 

For fun:

a) Yes, they're an important part of the resume. But they're the only tangible thing backing up Cousins at the moment, and this thread is saying that alone is enough to fully guarantee a contract? Cmon.

You're saying the RG3 trade effected the WSH roster? The eagles traded up and won a superbowl - their roster was just fine. The price tag is about as impactful as a fully guaranteed contract. 

c) Those inflated records are a product of the soft division. Why do you think NE winds up with a 12-4 record every year?

d) Exactly. Brees. You're trying to sell me that Cousins belongs in that conversation. I'm not sold. Not that far along anyway. 

 

 

(D) Kirk Cousins is a much better QB right now than Drew Brees was in 2006 when he hit Free Agency. And that has nothing to do with his shoulder injury at the time. Brees was a second round pick who had a slow release, he was too small and lacked accuracy down the field. Philip Rivers was going to be the much better player bc of his prototypical size and arm talent. Look how that turned out for NO and the Chargers.

[RedBeardedSavage]

31 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 

For fun:

a) Yes, they're an important part of the resume. But they're the only tangible thing backing up Cousins at the moment, and this thread is saying that alone is enough to fully guarantee a contract? Cmon.

You're saying the RG3 trade effected the WSH roster? The eagles traded up and won a superbowl - their roster was just fine. The price tag is about as impactful as a fully guaranteed contract. 

c) Those inflated records are a product of the soft division. Why do you think NE winds up with a 12-4 record every year?

d) Exactly. Brees. You're trying to sell me that Cousins belongs in that conversation. I'm not sold. Not that far along anyway. 

 

 

I think your arguments suck: 

I should disregard the records of teams in the NFCE the past two years (SB Champ 13-3 Eagles in '17, 13-3 Cowboys & 11-5 Giants in '16) and ignore that Kirk led the Skins to a division title in '15. 

I shouldn't pay much attention to Kirk Cousins' individual stats. 

I should ignore that Washington made a terrible trade for RGIII, and it's implications for their roster, because Wentz worked out for the Eagles.

I should ignore that at the time Brees was a free agent, his last two years were eerily similar to Kirk Cousins...except he threw for less yards... with Ladanian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates in their prime:

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
2001	22	SDG		9	1	0		15	27	55.6	221	1	3.7	0	0.0	40	8.2	8.9	14.7	221.0	94.8		2	12	7.21	7.90	6.9			1
2002	23	SDG	QB	9	16	16	8-8-0	320	526	60.8	3284	17	3.2	16	3.0	52	6.2	5.5	10.3	205.3	76.9		24	180	5.64	4.95	4.4	2	4	10
2003	24	SDG	QB	9	11	11	2-9-0	205	356	57.6	2108	11	3.1	15	4.2	68	5.9	4.6	10.3	191.6	67.5		21	178	5.12	3.91	5.6	0	1	6
2004*	25	SDG	QB	9	15	15	11-4-0	262	400	65.5	3159	27	6.8	7	1.8	79	7.9	8.5	12.1	210.6	104.8		18	131	7.24	7.78	4.3	1	2	17
2005	26	SDG	QB	9	16	16	9-7-0	323	500	64.6	3576	24	4.8	15	3.0	54	7.2	6.8	11.1	223.5	89.2		27	223	6.36	5.99	5.1	2	2	15
2006*+	27	NOR	QB	9	16	16	10-6-0	356	554	64.3	4418	26	4.7	11	2.0	86	8.0	8.0	12.4	276.1	96.2	68.3	18	105	7.54	7.58	3.1	1	2	15
2007	28	NOR	QB	9	16	16	7-9-0	440	652	67.5	4423	28	4.3	18	2.8	58	6.8	6.4	10.1	276.4	89.4	67.1	16	109	6.46	6.08	2.4	1	1	14
2008*	29	NOR	QB	9	16	16	8-8-0	413	635	65.0	5069	34	5.4	17	2.7	84	8.0	7.8	12.3	316.8	96.2	68.3	13	92	7.68	7.55	2.0	2	2	17
2009*	30	NOR	QB	9	15	15	13-2-0	363	514	70.6	4388	34	6.6	11	2.1	75	8.5	8.9	12.1	292.5	109.6	84.2	20	135	7.96	8.31	3.7	3	6	16
2010*	31	NOR	QB	9	16	16	11-5-0	448	658	68.1	4620	33	5.0	22	3.3	80	7.0	6.5	10.3	288.8	90.9	73.3	25	185	6.49	6.01	3.7	4	5	14
2011*	32	NOR	QB	9	16	16	13-3-0	468	657	71.2	5476	46	7.0	14	2.1	79	8.3	8.8	11.7	342.3	110.6	84.3	24	158	7.81	8.23	3.5	3	4	20
2012*	33	NOR	QB	9	16	16	7-9-0	422	670	63.0	5177	43	6.4	19	2.8	80	7.7	7.7	12.3	323.6	96.3	69.5	26	190	7.17	7.17	3.7	1	2	15
2013*	34	NOR	QB	9	16	16	11-5-0	446	650	68.6	5162	39	6.0	12	1.8	76	7.9	8.3	11.6	322.6	104.7	72.5	37	244	7.16	7.51	5.4	3	3	17
2014*	35	NOR	QB	9	16	16	7-9-0	456	659	69.2	4952	33	5.0	17	2.6	69	7.5	7.4	10.9	309.5	97.0	76.3	29	186	6.93	6.77	4.2	2	2	16
2015	36	NOR	QB	9	15	15	7-8-0	428	627	68.3	4870	32	5.1	11	1.8	80	7.8	8.0	11.4	324.7	101.0	69.9	31	235	7.04	7.26	4.7	1	2	14
2016*	37	NOR	QB	9	16	16	7-9-0	471	673	70.0	5208	37	5.5	15	2.2	98	7.7	7.8	11.1	325.5	101.7	72.0	27	184	7.18	7.27	3.9	2	4	16
2017*	38	NOR	QB	9	16	16	11-5-0	386	536	72.0	4334	23	4.3	8	1.5	54	8.1	8.3	11.2	270.9	103.9	61.1	20	145	7.53	7.71	3.6	2	2	16
Career					249	248	142-106-0	6222	9294	66.9	70445	488	5.3	228	2.5	98	7.6	7.5	11.3	282.9	96.7		378	2692	7.01	6.95	3.9	30	44	239
12 yrs		NOR			190	190	112-78-0	5097	7485	68.1	58097	408	5.5	175	2.3	98	7.8	7.8	11.4	305.8	99.6		286	1968	7.22	7.26	3.7	25	35	190
5 yrs		SDG			59	58	30-28-0	1125	1809	62.2	12348	80	4.4	53	2.9	79	6.8	6.4	11.0	209.3	84.9		92	724	6.11	5.70	4.8	5	9	49

Not saying Cousins will have a Brees career.  But the fact remains, there hasn't ever been a quarterback with Kirk Cousins' resume to hit free agency.  Washington f***ed up. 

 

[Bugg]

4 hours ago, sourceworx said:

 

Crooked smile, 5 o'clock shadow, bowl o'soup haircut, bad dentistry, ill-fitting jacket, tie askew, blemish mid forehead...HE CHOOSE THIS PHOTO. 

[KRL]

Fans do realize that a "doomsday" scenario can be made for every QB available this
off-season.  There are pages of criticism in this thread about Cousins but what
about the college QB's.  Anyone could be picked apart:

- Rosen: he has a bad frame, he's missed a lot of games with injuries, he has a
bad attitude and he didn't win in college

- Darnold: he's a QB from USC (enough said), he's turnover prone and for a potential
#1 pick he's looked overmatched (Wash St. game)

- Mayfield: he's short, he's another Manziel, he plays in a league that doesn't play
defense so his stats don't matter

- Allen: he's played against average competition and hasn't dominated, he's inaccurate,
when he's played against decent teams he's looked overmatched

- Jackson: he runs entirely too much, he doesn't play from the pocket, his mechanics
have to be tightened up and he's inaccurate in the intermediate area

Blah, blah, blah we can't sit around for another 50 years waiting for a QB we have to
pull the trigger.  Whether it's on Cousins or a college QB there are going to be 
questions, stop crying and deal with it 

[jgb]

4 hours ago, choon328 said:

What i support is getting a top 10 QB by any means necessary. All we've complained about forever is that the Jets don't have a QB. That the Jets give out big contracts to defensive lineman and CB's. Now they have an opportunity to bring in a top 10 QB in the prime of his career and have $70 million to build around him for the next 5 seasons. If the Jets had the first pick then I may have a different opinion but they don't. Signing Cousins would be something the Jets have NEVER done before. They've always either drafted a young guy or signed an old passed his prime veteran to hold the fort. This is an opportunity to bring in a guy who can lead us for the foreseeable future. The argument that he hasn't won so he won't ever win is about as nonsensical as they come. 

 

Really the question is Kirk Cousins and about $70 million in free agency this year, the 2018 first round pick plus both 2nd round picks this year and the 2019 first to build the team around him. (That is what it will take to get into the top 3 to secure one of the QB's that are franchise guys. You always pay a higher price when the targets are QB's)

 

OR

 

A top 3 QB in the draft and $85 million in free agency this year minus those picks above.

 

I'll take the Top 10 QB and all my picks with $20 million less in free agency this year. And I'd rather the Jets go full force after him than be scared to pull the trigger and act like little girls. So if that means fully guaranteeing his deal than that's what that means. 

Agree. Also don’t trust Mac to draft a QB or Bowles and the jets to develop him. Go for a finished product at sport’s most important position.

[jgb]

10 minutes ago, KRL said:

Fans do realize that a "doomsday" scenario can be made for every QB available this
off-season.  There are pages of criticism in this thread about Cousins but what
about the college QB's.  Anyone could be picked apart:

- Rosen: he has a bad frame, he's missed a lot of games with injuries, he has a
bad attitude and he didn't win in college

- Darnold: he's a QB from USC (enough said), he's turnover prone and for a potential
#1 pick he's looked overmatched (Wash St. game)

- Mayfield: he's short, he's another Manziel, he plays in a league that doesn't play
defense so his stats don't matter

- Allen: he's played against average competition and hasn't dominated, he's inaccurate,
when he's played against decent teams he's looked overmatched

- Jackson: he runs entirely too much, he doesn't play from the pocket, his mechanics
have to be tightened up and he's inaccurate in the intermediate area

Blah, blah, blah we can't sit around for another 50 years waiting for a QB we have to
pull the trigger.  Whether it's on Cousins or a college QB there are going to be 
questions, stop crying and deal with it 

MAC absolutely needs to either land a legit FA QB or draft one high. Success or failure will determine his fate. The smart/self-preservationist move is to take Cousins. Eliminates the risk of a draft bust and saves his job. He will try to go that route and may well overpay. But someone may overpay even more. Will be fun to see how it plays out.

[rangerous]

13 hours ago, jetgreen13 said:

we certainly can try to trade up but bowles has been nothing short of the kiss of death for both young QBs he's had here..

the idea that ownership is aware/don't care about this is staggering!!

a well below JAG HC, that requires a veteran QB.. period.. LOLz & we still extended the guy??

go jets!!

 

yep but on the other hand he got career years out two jags in fitz and mccown.  so maybe cousins would do even better as a jet.

[T0mShane]

14 hours ago, Untouchable said:

Sure it is 

I’d take an offensive lineup similar to something like this next year and not think twice.

 

QB Kirk Cousins (FA)

RB Sony Michel (#37)

WR Jarvis Landry (FA)

WR Robby Anderson 

WR Quincy Enunwa 

TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins

LT Kelvin Beachum 

LG Quenton Nelson (#6)

C Weston Richburg (FA)

RG Brian Winters 

RT Brandon Shell

The Giants are dumping Richburg because he’s never, ever healthy and the Dolphins are only letting Landry hit free agency because he’s a virulent a$$hole who averages fewer yards per catch than most tight ends. In your scenario, you give major money to Cousins and Trumaine Johnson because the Jets don’t have to re-up any of their bad draft picks, but that bit of truth means you’re about to have a bunch of gaping holes in the next two years that you don’t have the ability to fill because you’ve burned your FA dollars on other team’s exiles and used the sixth overall pick on a guard and a second round pick on Sony Michel. As soon as next year, in your scenario, you have no defensive linemen under contract, you’d only have Landry and ASJ under contract as receivers, you’d have to re-up or replace Beachum at OLT. Are you re-signing Darron Lee and giving Leonard Williams Fletcher Cox money? etc etc etc. You dudes talk about giving Cousins five years of guaranteed money, and it’s to buy yourselves, really, one year of competitive football before the cupboard is bare and Mike Maccagnan’s sub-Idzikian drafting skills tank the roster altogether.

[T0mShane]

6 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

So when you were watching cousins throw for 4900 yards in 2016 you were thinking Goff and others had better talent and would have done how much better in that offense? Ryan would have gone for 6000 yards? Goff maybe 5500?

The cousins haters are funny.

The Cousins promoters acting like the Jets have a better roster or are a more stable organization, or are a more desireable destination for free agents than the Redskins.

 

 

[jgb]

It would be just like the desperate jets to offer a chick a ring, house, and car before she even flies in from Ukraine after meeting her on buyabride.com

[Pcola]

7 hours ago, Paradis said:

The cousins tiger beat club has got to stop beating the rest of us over the head with his fcking yards and completion %.... We get it. We all get it; he put up numbers... so what? Fitz did it too a couple times. It's not enough to warrant the red fully guaranteed carpet. 

(this isn't all specifically directed at you) 

This stat tables don't tell the whole story. Like why couldn't they win? The NFC EAST has been a putrid pile of discharge for the majority of Cousins starting career. Why couldn't he capitalize on that? Are you really going to chalk his paltry record to everything that's out of his hands? Cmoooon. we all know that's bullsh*t. the good ones win. They just do. Why couldn't he close games. 

You could look at Chris Thompson's record on the field, and he's 80% of the reason WSH won any games last year. 

There's more going on that your table captures. Magical ponies don't wind up on the FA wire

Fitz did it once and he had Marshall, Decker, and Enunwa.  And Marshall was arguably the best WR in the game that year.  Cousins has had no continuity at WR and Jag after jag at RB and an injury plagued OL since he took over in Wash.

While McCown did well last year statistically, he cost us at least two games with late turnovers and was never able to bring the team back from behind.  Yes, it wasn’t all his fault because of the players around him but Cousins has produced with similar players around him.  

I’m sure the FO’s hope is that with the assets to improve the offense around him plus better personnel on defense, we can be a playoff team.

And when Gronk retires and Brady starts to show his age, we can grab the reigns of the division.  And maybe send Belichick and. Easy into retirement a year or two earlier.

[Jetster]

9 hours ago, Pcola said:

When was the last time a top 7 QB at 29 yo hit the open market?  You can’t compare this to Peyton Manning because he old and fragile.

Cant even compare it to Drew Brees when he hit the open market because he was coming off of a couple of mediocre seasons and then a missed season with injury.

There has literally not been a QB that has been in the top 10 in yards and TDs for three seasons become an unrestricted FA.

This is the type of QB you HOPE Darnold and Rosen develop into.  And you’d be lucky if they get there in their first 4 seasons.

I can't believe people aren't seeing this for what it is. Snyder was an RG3 guy & Shannahan was on Cousins side. Snyder FIRED Cousins pseudo dad. Cousins refused to commit long term to a guy he didn't like. Why do you think he said, "I want to go to a place that I'm wanted". 

Think about the numbers this guy put up with all of the turmoil in DC in those 3 years. They also dealt with an incredible amount of injuries during that period. Plus they completely revamped their entire WR group too! Have you seen Tom Brady when he deals with "new" WRs? He screams at them for not being in the right place. Drop balls & he won't even look at you.

They went from Garçon & Jackson, to a bunch of Jags & Reed playing injured plus they literally went through 3 RBs!Their Oline was shuffled the 2nd most in the league 2nd to only Seattle. Cousins is moving into HIS PRIME! He almost threw for 5000 yards once. We have a chance to get a ready made QB in his prime, add a stud RB like Sony Michel, a free agent center & guard or draft a guard or center, sign a CB & a free agent WR. 

Like Pcola said above, you pray any of these rookies become as good as Cousins. 6-7 years of the same QB with Bates & Dennison? Sign me up, in fact I'm going to be very disappointed if Kirk does not choose the Jets. 

[Pcola]

18 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The Cousins promoters acting like the Jets have a better roster or are a more stable organization, or are a more desireable destination for free agents than the Redskins.

 

 

Well for one, the Redskins have disrespected Cousins since he got there.  Despite being there best player over the past three seasons, they have treated him like he was the most underrated player in the league.

The Jets, like Den, Cle, Min, etc, is going to pay him what he has earned, and are going to market him like he is the best player on the team, and in the Jets case, we have catered our offensive coaching staff around him.  So yes, I think it’s obvious he would be a hell of a lot happier with the Jets than the Redskins.

And to be honest, as of right now, I don’t think we will have any competition for him.  Denver, AZ, and Buf don’t have the cap and would have to gut their teams to get there.  Cleveland, no matter what they offer him is not attractive.  Cleveland realizes this and with the top pick can take a QB to sit behind McCarron for a bit.  And I just don’t see Minny dumping Keenum and Bridgewater to jump into the bidding war.  Some of these teams will try just to make sure the Jets pay him, but the Jets have to be the clear favorites right now, by a lot.

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Well for one, the Redskins have disrespected Cousins since he got there.  Despite being there best player over the past three seasons, they have treated him like he was the most underrated player in the league.

The Jets, like Den, Cle, Min, etc, is going to pay him what he has earned, and are going to market him like he is the best player on the team, and in the Jets case, we have catered our offensive coaching staff around him.  So yes, I think it’s obvious he would be a hell of a lot happier with the Jets than the Redskins.

And to be honest, as of right now, I don’t think we will have any competition for him.  Denver, AZ, and Buf don’t have the cap and would have to gut their teams to get there.  Cleveland, no matter what they offer him is not attractive.  Cleveland realizes this and with the top pick can take a QB to sit behind McCarron for a bit.  And I just don’t see Minny dumping Keenum and Bridgewater to jump into the bidding war.  Some of these teams will try just to make sure the Jets pay him, but the Jets have to be the clear favorites right now, by a lot.

Not to disregard your post too much, but what you’re saying, in summary, is that the Jets are literally the only team in the NFL who think that Kirk Cousins is worth what they’re about to pay him. This is like when Maccagnan traded for Brandon Marshall and gave him a million dollar raise for absolutely no reason.

[T0mShane]

Guarantee $80 mil of it. $40 this year, $30 next year, $10 in 2020. Don’t saddle the next administration with this contract. 

[Warfish]

6 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

I’m not hating just using my eyes, and not reading his final stat line for a season (because that works so well let’s all argue over sh*tzpatrick post 2015 stats again).

Are you equating Cousins and Fitz as equally bad QB's?

6 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

I don’t hate Cousins, but I hate him at any ridiculous number Salary wise over a cheap draft, and develop our guy.

How has "developing our guy" worked for us so far, say, the past 20 years?  What evidence can you show that a draft pick will perform equally to a guy with a resume of 4,000 yard seasons?

6 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

Also I HATE A Smith as a QB who can’t  take you beyond Chad Pennington esque heights, and Washington is letting Cousins go for him instead of just matching an offer on the transition tag, that tells me a lot.

What it should tell you is that the Skins cannot retain Cousins.  They tried.  They failed.  This isn't the Skins choice, this is Cousins choice.  The Skins botched Cousins early, and he's never forgiven them, and that's why we're here now.  Cousins is not going to be available because the Skins think Smith is better, not even the most die-hard Skins fan would argue that.  Smith is the "Oh sh*t" backup plan.

6 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

 I just don’t see Cousins more then the same Alex Smith type keep spinning your wheels at 7-9-10-6, but no shot at a SB QB.

9 and 10 win seasons and playoff appearances is a hell of alot close to a Super Bowl than 5 win seasons while we wait and see if Bowles can "develop" the fourth-rated prospect in this coming draft.

If Cousins plays in NY as well as he played in DC, he instantly becomes the best QB we've had since Ken O'Brien, if not Namath himself.  I don't like the price, and I certainly don't like it 100% guaranteed, but choosing Cousins is hardly a bad choice given all the known facts.

I mean lets be real here, are you saying Josh Allen is going to be a 12 win, 4,500 yard passing, Super Bowl-level elite QB after we draft him at #6? No, I didn't think so either. 

Even if you are deeply in love with Darnold or Rosen, they would cost us our entire top half of the 2018 Draft AND likely our #1 in 2019.  Is Darnold going to be a 12 win, 4,500 yard passing, Super Bowl-level elite QB after we draft him at #1 and have no other #1 or #2 picks till 2020?

Can Cousins fail?  Yes.  Is the odds of him failing higher than a draft pick failing?  No.

[Jetster]

12 minutes ago, Pcola said:

Well for one, the Redskins have disrespected Cousins since he got there.  Despite being there best player over the past three seasons, they have treated him like he was the most underrated player in the league.

The Jets, like Den, Cle, Min, etc, is going to pay him what he has earned, and are going to market him like he is the best player on the team, and in the Jets case, we have catered our offensive coaching staff around him.  So yes, I think it’s obvious he would be a hell of a lot happier with the Jets than the Redskins.

And to be honest, as of right now, I don’t think we will have any competition for him.  Denver, AZ, and Buf don’t have the cap and would have to gut their teams to get there.  Cleveland, no matter what they offer him is not attractive.  Cleveland realizes this and with the top pick can take a QB to sit behind McCarron for a bit.  And I just don’t see Minny dumping Keenum and Bridgewater to jump into the bidding war.  Some of these teams will try just to make sure the Jets pay him, but the Jets have to be the clear favorites right now, by a lot.

I hope your right. We have people talking about TRADING UP to 3 for Baker Mayfield but they don't want to pay Cousins 30 million. Those draft picks you give up are the lower contracts you need to fill out your roster. Which means you then have to sign free agents to fill those draft spots you lose. Free agents are much more expensive than draft picks.

Plus, why are people freaking out about a guaranteed contract? He's a QB that has proven himself. 5 year guarantee with an injury clause? What do you care? They could front load most of it say 45-50 million in 2018. They would still have enough money for 4-5 free agents depending on who they are targeting, especially at Center & Guard, positions that are not super high compared to CB, LT. 

[T0mShane]

BTW, the “is a rookie gonna come in and put up 4,000 yards with 31 TDs and 15 INTs next year?” argument is the same one the organization used to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick.

[T0mShane]

I just looked this up. This the the final year of Leonard Williams’ rookie contract and if the Jet want to apply the fifth year option, they have to give him somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 mil for 2019. Perhaps @Sperm Edwards can confirm. 

[Dinamite]

6 hours ago, choon328 said:

What i support is getting a top 10 QB by any means necessary. All we've complained about forever is that the Jets don't have a QB. That the Jets give out big contracts to defensive lineman and CB's. Now they have an opportunity to bring in a top 10 QB in the prime of his career and have $70 million to build around him for the next 5 seasons. If the Jets had the first pick then I may have a different opinion but they don't. Signing Cousins would be something the Jets have NEVER done before. They've always either drafted a young guy or signed an old passed his prime veteran to hold the fort. This is an opportunity to bring in a guy who can lead us for the foreseeable future. The argument that he hasn't won so he won't ever win is about as nonsensical as they come. 

 

Really the question is Kirk Cousins and about $70 million in free agency this year, the 2018 first round pick plus both 2nd round picks this year and the 2019 first to build the team around him. (That is what it will take to get into the top 3 to secure one of the QB's that are franchise guys. You always pay a higher price when the targets are QB's)

 

OR

 

A top 3 QB in the draft and $85 million in free agency this year minus those picks above.

 

I'll take the Top 10 QB and all my picks with $20 million less in free agency this year. And I'd rather the Jets go full force after him than be scared to pull the trigger and act like little girls. So if that means fully guaranteeing his deal than that's what that means. 

This should be a poll, because this is the choice we face.

 

Would you rather pay Cousins an obscene amount of money but retain all your picks.

Or

Trade away draft capital for the next few years for a chance of the #3 QB (I don't think the Browns and Giants are trading out and are picking a QB), but retain all cap room.

 

As much as I would like to draft a QB, I am not sure I want Macc trading draft stock for someone like Allen. 

 

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, Dinamite said:

This should be a poll, because here this is the choice.

 

Would you rather pay Cousins an obscene amount of money but retain all your picks.

Or

Trade away draft capital for the next few years for a chance of the #3 QB (I don't think the Browns and Giants are trading out and are picking a QB), but retain all cap room.

 

As much as I would like to draft a QB, I am not sure I want Macc trading draft stock for someone like Allen. 

 

On the plus side, Maccagnan is going to waste those draft picks anyway. 

[Dinamite]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

On the plus side, Maccagnan is going to waste those draft picks anyway. 

Sure, but it makes the draft more fun to watch waiting in anticipation for which safety or older prospect who has a nice story that the jets will draft.

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, KRL said:

Fans do realize that a "doomsday" scenario can be made for every QB available this
off-season.  There are pages of criticism in this thread about Cousins but what
about the college QB's.  Anyone could be picked apart:

- Rosen: he has a bad frame, he's missed a lot of games with injuries, he has a
bad attitude and he didn't win in college

- Darnold: he's a QB from USC (enough said), he's turnover prone and for a potential
#1 pick he's looked overmatched (Wash St. game)

- Mayfield: he's short, he's another Manziel, he plays in a league that doesn't play
defense so his stats don't matter

- Allen: he's played against average competition and hasn't dominated, he's inaccurate,
when he's played against decent teams he's looked overmatched

- Jackson: he runs entirely too much, he doesn't play from the pocket, his mechanics
have to be tightened up and he's inaccurate in the intermediate area

Blah, blah, blah we can't sit around for another 50 years waiting for a QB we have to
pull the trigger.  Whether it's on Cousins or a college QB there are going to be 
questions, stop crying and deal with it 

 

1 hour ago, jgb said:

MAC absolutely needs to either land a legit FA QB or draft one high. Success or failure will determine his fate. The smart/self-preservationist move is to take Cousins. Eliminates the risk of a draft bust and saves his job. He will try to go that route and may well overpay. But someone may overpay even more. Will be fun to see how it plays out.

Put these two post together and you got how I feel about the situation. Thanks Guys good looking out. 

I wouldn’t trust Macc and Bowles to pick and train a puppy let alone a potential franchise QB. 

 

[T0mShane]

5 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

 

Put these two post together and you got how I feel about the situation. Thanks Guys good looking out. 

I wouldn’t trust Macc and Bowles to pick and train a puppy let alone a potential franchise QB. 

 

The best option is that they employ a short term fix so you can fire them both and let the next GM pick his QB.

[Barkus]

8 minutes ago, Dinamite said:

Sure, but it makes the draft more fun to watch waiting in anticipation for which safety or older prospect who has a nice story that the jets will draft.

Don’t forget the obligatory prospect coming off a serious injury!