Joejet Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just something to look at while we ponder free agency versus the draft for our next qb. Here are the first round QBs since 2005: 2005 #1 Alex Smith, #24 Aaron Rodgers, #25 Jason Campbell 2006. #3 Vince Young, #10 Matt Leinart, #11 Jay Cutler 2007 #1 JaMarcus Russell, #22 Brady Quinn 2008 #3 Matt Ryan, #18 Joe Flacco 2009. #1 Matthew Stafford, #5 Mark Sanchez, #17 Josh Freeman 2010 #1 Sam Bradford, #25 Tim Tebow 2011 #1 Cam Newton, #8 Jake Locker, #10 Blaine Gabbert, #12 Christian Ponder 2012 #1 Andrew Luck, #2 Robert Griffin, #8 Ryan Tannehill, #22 Brandon Weeden 2013 #16 EJ Manuel 2014 #3 Blake Bortles, #22 Johnny Manziel 2015 #1 Jameis Winston, #2 Marcus Mariota 2016 #1 Jared Goff, #2 Carson Wentz, #26 Paxton Lynch 2017 #2 Mitchell Trubisky, #10 Patrick Mahomes, #12 Deshaun Watson As you can see there were a lot of good QBs taken in the first round as well as a good number of duds. Interestingly I think the only two of that group that have won a super bowl are Rodgers and Flacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, Joejet said: Just something to look at while we ponder free agency versus the draft for our next qb. Here are the first round QBs since 2005: 2005 #1 Alex Smith, #24 Aaron Rodgers, #25 Jason Campbell 2006. #3 Vince Young, #10 Matt Leinart, #11 Jay Cutler 2007 #1 JaMarcus Russell, #22 Brady Quinn 2008 #3 Matt Ryan, #18 Joe Flacco 2009. #1 Matthew Stafford, #5 Mark Sanchez, #17 Josh Freeman 2010 #1 Sam Bradford, #25 Tim Tebow 2011 #1 Cam Newton, #8 Jake Locker, #10 Blaine Gabbert, #12 Christian Ponder 2012 #1 Andrew Luck, #2 Robert Griffin, #8 Ryan Tannehill, #22 Brandon Weeden 2013 #16 EJ Manuel 2014 #3 Blake Bortles, #22 Johnny Manziel 2015 #1 Jameis Winston, #2 Marcus Mariota 2016 #1 Jared Goff, #2 Carson Wentz, #26 Paxton Lynch 2017 #2 Mitchell Trubisky, #10 Patrick Mahomes, #12 Deshaun Watson As you can see there were a lot of good QBs taken in the first round as well as a good number of duds. Interestingly I think the only two of that group that have won a super bowl are Rodgers and Flacco. And only 4 have made the Super Bowl. However, the list who's made the playoffs is much larger - Goff, Wentz, Mariota, Bortles, Tannehill, Luck, Griffin, Sanchez, Stafford, Smith, Young, Cutler, Tebow and you got to be in it, to win it. I was just looking at this list and seeing that not a single #1 overall QB has won a Super Bowl during this time frame other than the Mannings. Before that, Aikman was the last to do it. That's kind of crazy. And then in history, Namath, Bradshaw, Plunkett and Elway. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 We havent drafted a good one since Namath. Stop the madness and just sign Cousins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, JiF said: And only 4 have made the Super Bowl. However, the list who's made the playoffs is much larger - Goff, Wentz, Mariota, Bortles, Tannehill, Luck, Griffin, Sanchez, Stafford, Smith, Young, Cutler, Tebow and you got to be in it, to win it. I was just looking at this list and seeing that not a single #1 overall QB has won a Super Bowl during this time frame other than the Mannings. Before that, Aikman was the last to do it. That's kind of crazy. And then in history, Namath, Bradshaw and Plunkett. Wow You just saved me a lot of typing here. I was going to say essentially the same thing..other than the historical ending. but it is a bit surprising. I still say draft Rosen or Darnold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, Stark said: You just saved me a lot of typing here. I was going to say essentially the same thing..other than the historical ending. but it is a bit surprising. I still say draft Rosen or Darnold... Despite the lack of SB winning QB's taken in the first round, it's still the best route to acquiring one. Plus, you also have to include the Brady/Manning/Big Ben factor. Only once since 2005 has another QB represented the AFC, Flacco. The NFL has been much different. The only QB's to represent the NFC twice are Russell Wilson and Eli Manning. The tide is turning though. Brady cant do this forever, the shine is off the Steelers and the Mannings are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, JiF said: Despite the lack of SB winning QB's taken in the first round, it's still the best route to acquiring one. Plus, you also have to include the Brady/Manning/Big Ben factor. Only once since 2005 has another QB represented the AFC, Flacco. The NFL has been much different. The only QB's to represent the NFC twice are Russell Wilson and Eli Manning. The tide is turning though. Brady cant do this forever, the shine is off the Steelers and the Mannings are done. I agree.. WE have been waiting for a QB for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, Stark said: You just saved me a lot of typing here. I was going to say essentially the same thing..other than the historical ending. but it is a bit surprising. I still say draft Rosen or Darnold... Two problems with your scenario; 1. Without a trade up Rosen and Darnold probably won’t be there. 2. Free agency happens way before the draft so you don’t know who will be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Brady is always there in the SB, kind of titls this whole thing off balance. Also, in 2004 there were eli and ben drafted, who both have won superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 minute ago, BrickTamland said: Brady is always there in the SB, kind of titls this whole thing off balance. Also, in 2004 there were eli and ben drafted, who both have won superbowls. I actually wasn’t trying to make a point about the Super Bowl but as I was typing the names I noticed the lack of winners. My main point is that there is approximately a 1 to 1 ratio between good first round QBs to average/poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I put this together a while ago... Gives an idea (not perfect though) of where the current starting QBs are and what round they were taken. eam Round Pick Name Bucs 1 1 Winston Cards 1 1 Palmer Chiefs 1 1 Smith Colts 1 1 Luck Giants 1 1 Manning Lions 1 1 Stanford Panthers 1 1 Newton Rams 1 1 Goff Vikings (2) 1 1 Bradford Eagles 1 2 Wentz Titans 1 2 Mariota Falcons 1 3 Ryan Jags 1 3 Bortles Chargers 1 4 Rivers Dolphins (2) 1 9 Tannehill Dolphins 1 11 Cutler Steelers 1 11 Roethlisberger Texans 1 12 Watson Ravens 1 18 Flacco Packers 1 24 Rodgers Vikings 1 32 Bridgewater Saints 2 32 Brees Bengals 2 35 Dalton Raiders 2 36 Carr Browns 2 52 Kizer Bears 3 73 Glennon Seahwaks 3 75 Wilson Jets 3 81 McCown Redskins 4 102 Cousins Cowboys 4 135 Prescott Bills 6 180 Taylor Pats 6 199 Brady Bronocs 7 250 Siemian 49ers NA NA Hoyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Joejet said: Just something to look at while we ponder free agency versus the draft for our next qb. Here are the first round QBs since 2005: 2005 #1 Alex Smith, #24 Aaron Rodgers, #25 Jason Campbell 2006. #3 Vince Young, #10 Matt Leinart, #11 Jay Cutler 2007 #1 JaMarcus Russell, #22 Brady Quinn 2008 #3 Matt Ryan, #18 Joe Flacco 2009. #1 Matthew Stafford, #5 Mark Sanchez, #17 Josh Freeman 2010 #1 Sam Bradford, #25 Tim Tebow 2011 #1 Cam Newton, #8 Jake Locker, #10 Blaine Gabbert, #12 Christian Ponder 2012 #1 Andrew Luck, #2 Robert Griffin, #8 Ryan Tannehill, #22 Brandon Weeden 2013 #16 EJ Manuel 2014 #3 Blake Bortles, #22 Johnny Manziel 2015 #1 Jameis Winston, #2 Marcus Mariota 2016 #1 Jared Goff, #2 Carson Wentz, #26 Paxton Lynch 2017 #2 Mitchell Trubisky, #10 Patrick Mahomes, #12 Deshaun Watson As you can see there were a lot of good QBs taken in the first round as well as a good number of duds. Interestingly I think the only two of that group that have won a super bowl are Rodgers and Flacco. 44 drafted i think only 19 are still playing. so even with the first round qb the odds of getting one are 50-50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 40 minutes ago, Joejet said: Two problems with your scenario; 1. Without a trade up Rosen and Darnold probably won’t be there. 2. Free agency happens way before the draft so you don’t know who will be available. There are no problems with my scenario, I didn't really give one. It is pretty obvious if Rosen or Darnold is the target you will have to grow a pair and trade up (Mac not you). Yes, free agency happens first, so obviously that would impact the draft. BUT - If you were going to ask me I would sign 3-4 positions of need with the (projected) 30 mil for cousins and target the young QB. It would seem this route would have much better long term success and sustainability rather than giving COUSINS, who If the price was correct and Washington hadn't blown up his $$$, so much money. Cousins to me is more of a system QB not a QB that is on the elite level to carry a team week in and out. 30 mil is just too much for him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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