nycdan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/cuban-to-mavericks-losing-is-the-best-option/ar-BBJnGZR?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp Quote “I’m probably not supposed to say this, but, like, I just had dinner with a bunch of our guys the other night, and here we are, you know, we weren’t competing for the playoffs. I was like, ‘Look, losing is our best option.’” Imagine that. An owner who understands how this stuff works and isn't afraid to express that to his people. Yeah, he might get fined for saying it, but as long as it doesn't cost them draft picks, who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 yes because so many championship teams have been built by tanking. w/ that said it's easier to do in the NBA where 1 superstar in the draft can change everything but teams have been burned trying to tank in the NBA many times before. In the NFL there are no sure things and the last team to tank was Indianapolis and so far that tank job did very little as 6 years in they have less playoff wins than we had w/ Mark Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Tanking is easier in basketball than in football. In football, the players are putting their bodies on the line on every play. They can't have a coach or owner who says, "just go out there and have fun boys!" The Jets freed up a ton of cap space by cutting vets last season and replacing them with kids and cheap vets. They came into the season with 2 unproven kids at QB and a vet with an awful track record. That was our tanking. Many here thought this was the worst team in NFL history. So macc did his job. When a guy like Mccown has a great year, there is really nothing you can do about. I was all in on the tank from the Rose Bowl last year but I can't blame Bowles for trying to win games. That's his job. The Mavs win plenty of games and their coaches practice to win games. But in the NBA you can still win 15- games and get the first overall. In the NFL you needed to win negative games to guarantee the #1 overall pick this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, nyjunc said: yes because so many championship teams have been built by tanking. w/ that said it's easier to do in the NBA where 1 superstar in the draft can change everything but teams have been burned trying to tank in the NBA many times before. In the NFL there are no sure things and the last team to tank was Indianapolis and so far that tank job did very little as 6 years in they have less playoff wins than we had w/ Mark Sanchez. and then you have teams like the rams and eagles who are willing to trade up to get qbs. and then you have the jets, who would rather pick 6th every year and not trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: yes because so many championship teams have been built by tanking. w/ that said it's easier to do in the NBA where 1 superstar in the draft can change everything but teams have been burned trying to tank in the NBA many times before. In the NFL there are no sure things and the last team to tank was Indianapolis and so far that tank job did very little as 6 years in they have less playoff wins than we had w/ Mark Sanchez. or cleveland which has been on a perpetual tank for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: and then you have teams like the rams and eagles who are willing to trade up to get qbs. and then you have the jets, who would rather pick 6th every year and not trade up. Be fair. The Jets do not pick 6th every year. They pick 6th 3 out of every 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Tanking is easier in basketball than in football. In football, the players are putting their bodies on the line on every play. They can't have a coach or owner who says, "just go out there and have fun boys!" The Jets freed up a ton of cap space by cutting vets last season and replacing them with kids and cheap vets. They came into the season with 2 unproven kids at QB and a vet with an awful track record. That was our tanking. Many here thought this was the worst team in NFL history. So macc did his job. When a guy like Mccown has a great year, there is really nothing you can do about. I was all in on the tank from the Rose Bowl last year but I can't blame Bowles for trying to win games. That's his job. The Mavs win plenty of games and their coaches practice to win games. But in the NBA you can still win 15- games and get the first overall. In the NFL you needed to win negative games to guarantee the #1 overall pick this year. They could have not signed McCown and did the tank job correctly. And actually found out what they have in Hack. But here we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 If your team is stupid then no amount of drafting is going to make a difference. But imagine how different the draft looks if we picked just one slot higher, (one less win) ahead of DEN. Jojo, you're right. Can't blame the players for playing hard. But somehow the Giants managed to put together a believable 2-win season in a year they were supposed to do better. As a result, they may end up with their next franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. And Augustiniak, you're right. if we were willing to do what it takes to move up, it wouldn't matter, although the Rams and Eagles benefitted from having teams in the 1-2 slots that weren't drafting QBs, which I think we don't have this year. I'm annoyed and venting. Don't mind me. A beer and a cannoli should make it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: They could have not signed McCown and did the tank job correctly. And actually found out what they have in Hack. But here we are... To be fair, we mostly thought signing McCown was putting a thin veneer of credibility on the tank job. Managed to mess that up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, nycdan said: Jojo, you're right. Can't blame the players for playing hard. But somehow the Giants managed to put together a believable 2-win season in a year they were supposed to do better. As a result, they may end up with their next franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. And Augustiniak, you're right. if we were willing to do what it takes to move up, it wouldn't matter, although the Rams and Eagles benefitted from having teams in the 1-2 slots that weren't drafting QBs, which I think we don't have this year The Giants were predicted by some to go to the Super Bowl last year. What a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, nyjunc said: the last team to tank was Indianapolis and so far that tank job did very little as 6 years in they have less playoff wins than we had w/ Mark Sanchez. Oh not this sht again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, nycdan said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/cuban-to-mavericks-losing-is-the-best-option/ar-BBJnGZR?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp Imagine that. An owner who understands how this stuff works and isn't afraid to express that to his people. Yeah, he might get fined for saying it, but as long as it doesn't cost them draft picks, who cares. We did everything possible to tank. The Front Office did everything a tanking team should/could. The players, who DO NOT ******* TANK IN THE NFL, had other plans. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 You have 53 players in football you honestly believe you can pick intentionally the worst 53 man rosters to put together to lose-stop with this tanking talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 44 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: They could have not signed McCown and did the tank job correctly. And actually found out what they have in Hack. But here we are... Do you honestly believe there is still some question about what they have in Hack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Do you honestly believe there is still some question about what they have in Hack? Still? No. I’m talking about last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MDL_JET said: They could have not signed McCown and did the tank job correctly. And actually found out what they have in Hack. But here we are... I think they knew hack wasn't ready, so I don't think starting hack was really an option. Just like petty. A lot of people clamored for him to start, but when he got his chance he was simply awful. If petty started the whole season, the team would possibly have been 0-16. Woody and his bro would not have stood for that. It would have hurt players careers and stunted development for the entire team. Not to mention Mac and Bowles would have been fired. The Johnsons would have lost a lot of money with an emtpy stadium and really pissed off fan base (even more so than now ). No one in their right mind would volunteer for that. Hincke did it for the sixers in the NBA but it took years of pain and it cost him his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Warfish said: We did everything possible to tank. The Front Office did everything a tanking team should/could. The players, who DO NOT ******* TANK IN THE NFL, had other plans. Get over it. Is this a bad joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MDL_JET said: They could have not signed McCown and did the tank job correctly. And actually found out what they have in Hack. But here we are... You're making too much sense. Homerbrains will be everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Is he refunding the ticket costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Larz said: Is he refunding the ticket costs? I'll take No for a $100 Also, the NBA is a lot different OP. One guy can change a (competent) franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, rillo said: I'll take No for a $100 Also, the NBA is a lot different OP. One guy can change a (competent) franchise. NBA is actually harder to rebuild: 1. Draft lottery 2. Players come out of college at 19 and aren’t close to ready unlike the NFL where they are all 22 or 21 as rookies 3. Nba teams all play the same teams same amount of times in their division. NFL teams after having bad seasons are supposed to get easier schedules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 13 hours ago, MDL_JET said: Still? No. I’m talking about last year. I think that they knew during camp in 2016. That is why they handed Fitzpatrick that ridiculous contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornfed Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Tanking to get a good pick and win is a strategy by fans who don't understand football and who probably never played team sports. It's a simple narrative, and that's why folks who don't understand the sport cling to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 He 'got it all right' a $600,000 fine. This form a league that happily let the star players take nights off and rest the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 20 hours ago, HessStation said: Is this a bad joke? Yes, this thread is a bad joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 https://www.glamour.com/story/dallas-mavericks-sexual-harassment-sports-illustrated #MeToo Hits Dallas Mavericks in Bombshell New Report: It Was a Real-Life 'Animal House' A bombshell new Sports Illustrated story published Tuesday is bringing the #MeToo movement to the world of professional basketball. The lengthy piece outlines a culture of sexual harassment inside the Mark Cuban–owned Dallas Mavericks organization, which is described by one woman as a "real-life Animal House." A number of the accusations are focused on the team's former president, Terdema Ussery, who is said to have been widely known as a serial sexual harasser. (Ussery left the Mavericks in 2015.) One woman recounted an incident during the 2010–11 season, when Ussery asked to join her as she ate dinner in the media dining room. She says he told her he knew what she was going to be doing that upcoming weekend: "You're going to get gang-banged, aren't you?" The woman replied that in fact she was going to the movies with friends and then he repeated the "gang-bang" comment. She told SI that while shocked she was not surprised because she had been warned about Ussery. "Watch out for the president,” one woman said. “Whatever you do, don’t get trapped in an elevator with him.” Another woman says he propositioned her for sex SI interviewed more than a dozen current and former employees in the organization and found that Ussery was not the only problem. Their investigations "paint a picture of a corporate culture rife with misogyny and predatory sexual behavior: alleged public fondling by the team president; outright domestic assault by a high-profile member of the mavs.com staff; unsupportive or even intimidating responses from superiors who heard complaints of inappropriate behavior from their employees; even an employee who openly watched pornography at his desk. Most sources did not want their names used for a variety of reasons, including fear of retaliation and ostracism and limits imposed by agreements they signed with the team." One woman says the behavior did not apply to the actual players on the team, however. "I dealt with players all the time," she told the magazine. "I had hundreds of interactions with players and never once had an issue…they always knew how to treat people. Then I'd go to the office and it was this zoo, this complete sh*t show." More than half a dozen women said they actually left the sports sector due to this type of environment. “You don’t feel safe going to work, and it’s not long before you look for another job,” says one of those women, now employed in a different sector. “And then you wonder why there aren’t more women working in sports. Really?” Ussery said in a statement to SI: “I am deeply disappointed that anonymous sources have made such outright false and inflammatory accusations against me. During my career with the Mavericks, I have strived to conduct myself with character, integrity, and empathy for others. During my nearly 20-year tenure with the Mavericks, I am not aware of any sexual harassment complaints about me or any findings by the organization that I engaged in inappropriate conduct. In fact, on multiple occasions I and other senior executives at the organization raised concerns—both in person and in emails—about other Mavericks employees who had engaged in highly inappropriate—and in some cases, threatening—sexual conduct. The organization refused to address these concerns, and I believe these misleading claims about me are part of an attempt to shift blame for the failure to remove employees who created an uncomfortable and hostile work environment within the Mavericks organization.” The Mavericks also happen to have one of the most outspoken and involved team owners in the NBA: Mark Cuban. With so many women claiming a failure on the part of HR and the organization as a whole, what he knew or did not know has become a big question. “Trust me, Mark knows everything that goes on,” one longtime former Mavericks employee said. “Of course Mark knew [about the instances of harassment and assault]. Everyone knew.” Cuban was contacted by SI about the story on Monday and said, "This is all new to me. The only awareness I have is because I heard you guys were looking into some things…. Based off of what I’ve read here, we just fired our HR person. I don’t have any tolerance for what I’ve read.” He continued, "It’s wrong. It’s abhorrent. It’s not a situation we condone. I can’t tell you how many times, particularly since all this [#MeToo] stuff has been coming out recently, I asked our HR director, ‘Do we have a problem? Do we have any issues I have to be aware of?’ And the answer was no.” As for moving forward, he says, "I want to deal with this issue. I mean, this is…obviously there’s a problem in the Mavericks organization and we’ve got to fix it. That’s it. And we’re going to take every step. It’s not something we tolerate. I don’t want it. It’s not something that’s acceptable. I’m embarrassed, to be honest with you, that it happened under my ownership, and it needs to be fixed. Period. End of story.” The team also released a statement in which they say that they take the allegations seriously and have obtained outside counsel to conduct an investigation. "There is no room for such conduct in the Mavericks’ workplace—or any workplace…. We are committed—to our employees, our team, and our fans—to meet the goals of dignity, security, and fairness that define the Dallas Mavericks." The NBA says that it will be closely monitoring the investigation. ` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 3:31 PM, nycdan said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/cuban-to-mavericks-losing-is-the-best-option/ar-BBJnGZR?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp Imagine that. An owner who understands how this stuff works and isn't afraid to express that to his people. Yeah, he might get fined for saying it, but as long as it doesn't cost them draft picks, who cares. Incidentally, Cuban got fined $600,000 for this statement by the NBA right after news dropped that his organization was a sexual harassment farm. So finding support in anything Cuban says right now is not a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isired Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Anybody who thought in August that signing McCown was an anti-tank maneuver must have been in a coma before this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Mark Cuban gets it....a 600,000 fine that is. ******* idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 5:48 PM, rangerous said: or cleveland which has been on a perpetual tank for a decade. 2 decades ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 he's going to get it alright Bad day for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsons Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/02/21/dallas-mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-fined-600g-for-tanking-comments.html NBA's Dallas Mavericks a workplace of misconduct? Mark Cuban responds Sports Illustrated released a report claiming the NBA's Dallas Mavericks is a hotbed for misconduct after a slew of allegations against a team writer and former president became public. Mark Cuban, the team's owner, responds to the allegations. The NBA fined Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban $600,000 on Wednesday for comments he made about tanking during a podcast with Hall of Famer Julius Erving. Commissioner Adam Silver said the fine was for "public statements detrimental to the NBA." The league said the podcast with Erving was posted Sunday, the day the All-Star game was played in Los Angeles. The fine was announced a day after the publication of a Sports Illustrated report that detailed allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct by former Mavericks team president Terdema Ussery. Cuban said he was embarrassed by the allegations and vowed to improve the club's work environment. During the 30-minute interview with Erving, Cuban said that he met recently with some of his players and told them "losing is our best option." "I'm probably not supposed to say this, but I just had dinner with a bunch of our guys the other night," Cuban said. "And here we are. We weren't competing for the playoffs. I was like, `Look, losing is our best option.' Cuban said his comments were an example of him being transparent with his players. CUBAN UNDER FIRE FOLLOWING REPORT ALLEGING RAMPANT SEXUAL MISCONDUCT IN MAVS' FRONT OFFICE "Adam would hate to be hearing that. But at least I sat down and I explained it to them. And I explained what our plans are going to be this summer, that we're not going to tank again. This is like a year and a half of tanking. That was too brutal for me." The Mavericks dumped veterans Deron Williams and Andrew Bogut around the trading deadline last season and had their highest draft pick (No. 9) since ending up with Dirk Nowitzki from that spot in 1998. They drafted rookie point guard Dennis Smith Jr., one of the league's rising stars. After trading veteran guard Devin Harris to Denver at the deadline this season, Dallas (18-40) is tied for the fewest wins in the NBA and among seven teams with 18 or 19 victories at the All-Star break. The latest fine surpasses the $500,000 Cuban was docked in 2002 for criticizing former director of officials Ed Rush, saying he wouldn't hire Rush to manage a Dairy Queen. Cuban has been fined more than $2 million, a lot of it for criticizing refs. "I earned it," Cuban told The Associated Press when asked about the latest fine. "I got excited talking to Dr. J and said something I shouldn't have." The Sports Illustrated report depicted the Mavericks front office as a hostile workplace for women. Ussery, who spent 18 years with the team before leaving in 2015, was accused of making sexually suggestive remarks to several female employees. Ussery, who was investigated by the team over similar claims in 1998, denied the allegations in a statement to SI. SI also reported that Earl Sneed, a reporter for the team website, was twice accused of domestic assault while working for the Mavericks, including a guilty plea in a case that was dismissed when he met the conditions of the agreement. The team said Sneed had been fired, and Mavericks owner Mark Cuban told SI that he fired human resources director Buddy Pittman after learning details of the magazine's report. Pittman and Sneed declined to comment to SI. The NBA said the Mavericks had informed the league of the allegations involving Ussery and Sneed. "This alleged conduct runs counter to the steadfast commitment of the NBA and its teams to foster safe, respectful and welcoming workplaces for all employees," the league said. "Such behavior is completely unacceptable and we will closely monitor the independent investigation into this matter." The Associated Press contributed to this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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