BrickTamland Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Pre-Combine and with an open mind. QB: In my opinion, all three of these guys are starting quality players with high upside. A lot will depend on their surroundings. Additionally, they all have their warts. I leave Allen off this list because of his horrid accuracy. I wish Allen had turned out to be better. The list is based on my risk assessment. 1. Baker Mayfield (off the field stuff is meh to me; easy conference play goes against him; shortish; hard working; chip on shoulder; needs to win; fantastic accuracy; scrambling ability) 2. Sam Darnold (great accuracy; reads defenses; turnover prone; cali-goofy) 3. Josh Rosen (great pocket presence; beautiful passer; injury history; family wealth; liberal attitude and potential fights with management) RB: In a draft full of RB talent, Saquon is the one who stands out. It would not be the best pick by value, but this team has been so offense-devoid that I could be more than happy to bring him in. 1. Saquon Barkley WR: None. The combine might make this a possibility if Ridley or another guy can put up insane numbers. I'll keep my eyes open. TE: None. There's some nice talent though. OL: No legitimate LT for this spot. Nelson is the prize. As a G, this is a hard pick for me to accept, but at least its offense. 1. Quenton Nelson DL: None. LB: All of these guys have gotten to the QB in college. They're all instinctive and fast. I do believe all will be successful NFL talents, however, my personal favorite, Evans, has an injury history that worries me. Importantly, think they all have the speed to play outside. Unfortunately Chubb looks a little more to me like a 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB but others have tweened before. 1. Bradley Chubb 2. Roquan Smith 3. Rashaan Evans CB: Not even including Fitzpatrick on this list, as he is not a CB. This list is way up in the air until combine results. 1. Denzel Ward 2. Josh Jackson 3. Mike Hughes If I had to make an ordered list, it'd be something like this (PRIOR TO ANY FA SIGNINGS AND COMBINE). I do not yet have a hard stance on QBs -- the list is more a reflection of my risk assessment. 1. MAYFIELD 2. DARNOLD 3. ROSEN 4. BARKLEY 5. CHUBB 6. NELSON 7. SMITH 8. WARD 9. JACKSON 10. HUGHES 11. EVANS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Outside of adding Josh Allen to your list I'm good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Yea I agree I like the top 6 but I'd add Allen in there. I know fans are freaking out over him but if scouts are enfatuated with him then who am I to say otherwise. He is really my #4 option at QB and really hope he goes before us so one of the other 3 are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I disagree with WR and DL. I think Calvin Ridley will be worthy of the #6 pick. Dude is a beast, he runs probably a 4.3. Mike Williams went what, 7th last year? I think Ridley is better. And Vita Vea is also worthy of the #6 pick IMO. Finding a guy that large, that strong and that quick isnt easy. Planetary theory here. Dude could be Haloti Ngata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, JiF said: I disagree with WR and DL. I think Calvin Ridley will be worthy of the #6 pick. Dude is a beast, he runs probably a 4.3. Mike Williams went what, 7th last year? I think Ridley is better. And Vita Vea is also worthy of the #6 pick IMO. Finding a guy that large, that strong and that quick isnt easy. Planetary theory here. Dude could be Haloti Ngata. interesting on ridley, a 4.3 at the combine and we are not disagreeing. To be fair to mike williams though he was a size strength amd speed guy that was always given the “prototype” label. Not so for ridley, the smoother player. on vea. You may well be right on him from a talent perspective. Personally i couldnt stomach it unless perhaps were moving to 4-3. But i think we need a few new players if that were the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: interesting on ridley, a 4.3 at the combine and we are not disagreeing. To be fair to mike williams though he was a size strength amd speed guy that was always given the “prototype” label. Not so for ridley, the smoother player. on vea. You may well be right on him from a talent perspective. Personally i couldnt stomach it unless perhaps were moving to 4-3. But i think we need a few new players if that were the case True. But at the same time, he's Amari Cooper's size and might run similarly. Obviously no where near the production but he also played with Hurts as opposed to Coker and Sims who were much better passers. Vea it would be hard to stomach, agreed but after they release Mo...there will be a need to have some space eaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, JiF said: True. But at the same time, he's Amari Cooper's size and might run similarly. Obviously no where near the production but he also played with Hurts as opposed to Coker and Sims who were much better passers. Vea it would be hard to stomach, agreed but after they release Mo...there will be a need to have some space eaters. Indeed. I like trenton thompson of GA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BrickTamland said: Indeed. I like trenton thompson of GA. Different player and Thompson battled injuries throughout his college career but he could be a good 4th rounder type of pick. @Lith - how did he do this year in your eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, JiF said: Different player and Thompson battled injuries throughout his college career but he could be a good 4th rounder type of pick. @Lith - how did he do this year in your eyes? He was always hurt. Played through injuries most of the season -- was not as productive as 2016. Solid run stopper -- probably better suited to DT in a 4-3. Not one of my favorite prospects out of UGA. I always felt better this year when I saw Tyler Clark rotate in -- we will probably be talking about Clark next year if he declares. Maybe I would take a flyer on Thompson in a later round, but early 4 is too high in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, Lith said: He was always hurt. Played through injuries most of the season -- was not as productive as 2016. Solid run stopper -- probably better suited to DT in a 4-3. Not one of my favorite prospects out of UGA. I always felt better this year when I saw Tyler Clark rotate in -- we will probably be talking about Clark next year if he declares. Maybe I would take a flyer on Thompson in a later round, but early 4 is too high in my opinion. Thanks man. I barely have seen him but he was a force in the championship. I thought he might project to 3-4DE. Perhaps he would make a perfect 5th rounder then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BrickTamland said: Thanks man. I barely have seen him but he was a force in the championship. I thought he might project to 3-4DE. Perhaps he would make a perfect 5th rounder then He was very inconsistent. Played well in the Championship, but watch him in the Rose Bowl where he struggled all game. Part of the 2nd half turnaround for the defense against Oklahoma was getting Clark on the field more and Thompson less. In his defense, he also played well against Notre Dame going up against McGlinchey/Nelson. But the constant injuries have got to be a red flag. If he drops to mid 5 -- I would not have an issue with the pick. High 4 is too early for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Mayfield has the highest risk of all the top 5 qbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Lith said: He was always hurt. Played through injuries most of the season -- was not as productive as 2016. Solid run stopper -- probably better suited to DT in a 4-3. Not one of my favorite prospects out of UGA. I always felt better this year when I saw Tyler Clark rotate in -- we will probably be talking about Clark next year if he declares. Maybe I would take a flyer on Thompson in a later round, but early 4 is too high in my opinion. That's what I thought. I saw a mock with him the 1st round and was, like they're clueless. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, JiF said: That's what I thought. I saw a mock with him the 1st round and was, like they're clueless. haha thoughts on antonio callaway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, BrickTamland said: thoughts on antonio callaway? Could be the steal of the draft. Just not sure homey is all there in the head. Not sure he even cares about Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, JiF said: Not sure he even cares about Football. They've seen a couple of those over the years. It NEVER ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: They've seen a couple of those over the years. It NEVER ends well. yeah i lean that way too. so much talent tho darnit DJ Chark a nice prospect i just learned about. 6'2, fast, smooth runner but quick feet to go along WR class better than i was initially led to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: yeah i lean that way too. so much talent tho darn it Yup a Ferrari with the electronics of a Yugo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thai Jet said: They've seen a couple of those over the years. It NEVER ends well. 5 minutes ago, BrickTamland said: yeah i lean that way too. so much talent tho darnit DJ Chark a nice prospect i just learned about. 6'2, fast, smooth runner but quick feet to go along WR class better than i was initially led to believe Sure...but I think a guy like Callaway is worth a late round flier. The hope would be, you lost yourself millions being an ahole, So here's a second chance to get your head straight, earn that second contract where he could make up all the money he lost from missing a year and potentially 1st/2nd round selection. His talent is worth the risk...depending on where he ends up going. The kid is a big play waiting to happen...even in the return game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 9:41 AM, JiF said: I disagree with WR and DL. I think Calvin Ridley will be worthy of the #6 pick. Dude is a beast, he runs probably a 4.3. Mike Williams went what, 7th last year? I think Ridley is better. And Vita Vea is also worthy of the #6 pick IMO. Finding a guy that large, that strong and that quick isnt easy. Planetary theory here. Dude could be Haloti Ngata. Unfortunately for me, the only Alabama game I fully watched this year was the championship vs. Georgia when Ridley didn't look so special and his younger brother actually seemed to outplay him. I know there's a lot more to the kid than the one game but I just wish I saw something in that game to excite me. Regardless, while he might be top-10 worthy, it doesn't feel like the right pick for the Jets. 4 QBs, Barkley and Chubb. I don't know if we can justify anyone else at 6 unless we have Cousins. Then I think Ridley could be a consideration but is he better at his job than Fitzpatrick (who is a bigger need) is at his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 Overlooking Davenport who can actually play 3-4 Olb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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