choon328 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, choon328 said: of course they will. he plays defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 So are they just supposed to ignore defense in free agency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'd be fine with that, he seems like someone who would be motivated to give that Patriots rivalry a little juice. I wonder what his price will be because there are other CBs I like more than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, bla bla bla said: I'd be fine with that, he seems like someone who would be motivated to give that Patriots rivalry a little juice. I wonder what his price will be because there are other CBs I like more than him. Totally agree. I would be cautious of over paying him. Aaron Colvin would look great in green and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: of course they will. he plays defense. Are you the same guy that would bash Macc if our CBs didn't play well next year? Pretty sure we can address offense AND defense in the same offseason. We've been rumored to be willing to part with 100 million for Kirk Cousins. I am pretty sure he plays some offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I'd be fine with that, he seems like someone who would be motivated to give that Patriots rivalry a little juice. I wonder what his price will be because there are other CBs I like more than him. Butler is right up there with Gaines/Johnson/Melvin. But sniping a player from the Pats has some extra value imo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Are you the same guy that would bash Macc if our CBs didn't play well next year? Pretty sure we can address offense AND defense in the same offseason. We've been rumored to be willing to part with 100 million for Kirk Cousins. I am pretty sure he plays some offense. no. they did fine with the cbs they had. there's only so much draft capital and money you can allocate to a secondary when your offense has no first rounders and needs an influx of talent at every position and none of your 11 starters except for maybe robbie anderson would start for another team. so no, i'm not going to sit here and complain that the gm didn't throw bad money at cornerback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Total JAG with Bowles and Rogers coaching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gen X Jet said: Total JAG with Bowles and Rogers coaching him. Kinda a JAG already. I am not a fan of Butler. 28 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Butler is right up there with Gaines/Johnson/Melvin. But sniping a player from the Pats has some extra value imo.... Sniping... lol.. no man they (Pats) are letting him walk, its not sniping. and he isn't that great. its basically us taking what they consider garbage. And no he is not right up there. He is nothing special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Need to look at the younger CB's (Fuller, Breeland, Gaines, Colvin) have never been impressed by Butler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 So are they just supposed to ignore defense in free agency?That's what the draft is for! Sent from my XT1068 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Sad truth is that when they miss on Cousins, Maccagnan is going to be forced to dole out huge contracts to guys like Butler just to hit the cap floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Sad truth is that when they miss on Cousins, Maccagnan is going to be forced to dole out huge contracts to guys like Butler just to hit the cap floor. Competitive rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, KRL said: Need to look at the younger CB's (Fuller, Breeland, Gaines, Colvin) have never been impressed by Butler Glad I am not the only one who doesn't think highly of Butler, I never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 CBs on the roster as of today: Buster Skrine, Daryl Roberts, Juston Burris, Rashard Robinson, Jeremy Clark, Derrick Jones, Xavier Coleman, Bryson Keeton When Buster Skrine is your best, most experienced CB, you need to upgrade the position. I have no problem with them going after a starter in FA, but Malcolm Butler would not be at the top of my list. Johnson, Fuller, Gaines & Colvin would all be preferable to Butler IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Competitive rebuild Hugely coherent team building afoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Hugely coherent team building afoot This will definitely happen. They will sign 2-3 CBs, and 1-2 DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think Butler is overrated and I actually like him because he’s a Mississippi boy. Point blank, I could foresee a lot of the same posts here if he signs with us. “There goes Butler getting burned by someone twice his size again. THANKS MACCAGNAN!!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: of course they will. he plays defense. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Thai Jet said: Totally agree. I would be cautious of over paying him. Aaron Colvin would look great in green and white. I think we could sign both, actually. That might sound crazy, but so long as neither thinks they're a premier cornerback and we cut Skrine, I don't see a reason why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 54 minutes ago, Stark said: Kinda a JAG already. I am not a fan of Butler. Sniping... lol.. no man they (Pats) are letting him walk, its not sniping. and he isn't that great. its basically us taking what they consider garbage. And no he is not right up there. He is nothing special He's a solid play making CB that the pats can't afford to keep..we have the cap space to sign him while the kids develop or we stumble upon a younger option down the road. No one is suggesting we break the bank for him but we have 100 million in cap space and aside from cousins and oline, I don't see any other pieces we will spend money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: He's a solid play making CB that the pats can't afford to keep..we have the cap space to sign him while the kids develop or we stumble upon a younger option down the road. No one is suggesting we break the bank for him but we have 100 million in cap space and aside from cousins and oline, I don't see any other pieces we will spend money on. thats your opinion, I get it. But don't tell me the only reason he won't be with the pats is $, they were trying to move him last offseason and this year they are just washing their hands of him. He is nothing special, we should not sign him, especially for mid + CB money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I don't think he's great, but, he's practiced against the Pats 1st string offense his whole career so he could probable relate to the players around him what's coming just based on formation. That's worth a couple extra million we have to waste. Like a coach on the field, which is great since our defensive coaches on the sideline suck. He did something to be sat in the freaking Super Bowl! But no one can tell me that it didn't come back to bite Belichick right in in fat azz! Butler most likely would have made the one play the Pats needed to get off the field that Rowe didn't. And that's the facts jack! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: He's a solid play making CB that the pats can't afford to keep..we have the cap space to sign him while the kids develop or we stumble upon a younger option down the road. No one is suggesting we break the bank for him but we have 100 million in cap space and aside from cousins and oline, I don't see any other pieces we will spend money on. The fact that the pats benched his butt in the biggest game of the year has nothing to do with them letting him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Sad truth is that when they miss on Cousins, Maccagnan is going to be forced to dole out huge contracts to guys like Butler just to hit the cap floor. And to make it look like the Jets are "doing something". Pass on signing Patriots because **** ex-Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Warfish said: And to make it look like the Jets are "doing something". if he's going to overpay why not buy an offensive line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The fact that the pats benched his butt in the biggest game of the year has nothing to do with them letting him go. And I'm still waiting for the Pats to force the Nick Foles led offense to punt.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Sad truth is that when they miss on Cousins, Maccagnan is going to be forced to dole out huge contracts to guys like Butler just to hit the cap floor. Why? We can just use it to extend our young talent base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Sad truth is that when they miss on Cousins, Maccagnan is going to be forced to dole out huge contracts to guys like Butler just to hit the cap floor. I don’t think they have to spend a certain amount this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Sad truth is that when they miss on Cousins, Maccagnan is going to be forced to dole out huge contracts to guys like Butler just to hit the cap floor. FWIW, Malcom Butler has some appeal with a recognizable name and is young. Mac's track record of getting these guys to sign is similar to Pac's track record on getting anything Football related right. So expect that big contract go to go to someone like Navaro Bowman and/or Tyvone Branch with a little Jonathan Joseph sprinkled in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, JiF said: FWIW, Malcom Butler has some appeal with a recognizable name and is young. Mac's track record of getting these guys to sign is similar to Pac's track record on getting anything Football related right. So expect that big contract go to go to someone like Navaro Bowman and/or Tyvone Branch with a little Jonathan Joseph sprinkled in. Lol isn’t Joseph like 40 years old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Lol isn’t Joseph like 40 years old? Yes, so he'll be priority #1. The leadership we'll have in the secondary will be worth at least 2 victories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Lol isn’t Joseph like 40 years old? 33, butler is 28... same dude at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 With Ansah being Tagged and the Cowboys saying they aren't going to let Lawrence go, the only options for us to improve our Defense through Free agency will likely be at CB. So might as well snag Butler or Johnson. I agree with many here that our primary focus this offseason should be on offense, but if we don't address CB in free agency we are doomed to take one in the 1st/2nd rounds. I rather use those picks for an edge rusher and offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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