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So when Vikings get Cousins.... what do we do?


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  1. 1. Do you move up right now or still try to wait the Cousins situation out?

    • Yes.
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    • No.
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  2. 2. How aggressive do we get?

    • Sell the farm!!
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    • Only offer a reasonable pass/aggressive trade
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    • Wait until 6
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  3. 3. Which team do you aim for a trade up with

    • Browns #1
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    • Giants #2
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    • Colts #3
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    • Browns #4
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    • I voted to stay at 6.
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5 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Are they willing to move up or looking to see what comes to them?? 

The way you speak on it makes it seem like they’re not even entertaining the idea. But it’s also the paranoia in me that we’re gonna end up with the scraps at QB. 

Plenty willing to move up for Darnold or Rosen.  Less for Mayfield and beyond but maybe that changes after the combine.  Personally, I just don't believe they have the ammunition to get there.  The Bills are actively trying to trade up and have far more resources to do it.  

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6 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

 

I've done the song and dance a hundred times explaining where my source is from.  Plenty of people here can vouch for it.  

I just said that the Jets are high on him.  I'm not contesting that.  I think he is a "certified bust waiting to happen" who will get the GM who drafts him fired.  That's not anyone else's opinion other than my own and I never said it was anyone else's.

Gotcha, now why is he a certified bust?

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6 hours ago, Augustiniak said:

why do we always have to settle for starting qbs who other teams view as backups?

I never said anything about settling;  We have to sign another QB;  I would prefer it NOT be McCown.

IF there is nobody there at 6 when we pick, which is a possibility, than we have to draft a developmental guy. 

Falk would be one I would consider. 

Ideally, we move up or get the guy we want at six.  But that may not happen.

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3 hours ago, MDL_JET said:

Ugh, I really don't understand the Bills being able to move up and the Jets not. Jets can offer everything they have and in a better position. Do teams really value that extra 1st round pick in the 20s that much? This is frustrating.

I think it may be players that make the difference, not picks.  I've heard BUF would potentially offer Cordy Glenn as part of a package to move up.  When we're being really honest with ourselves, do we have any players that other teams would be interested in?  

I'm waiting...

I'm still waiting...

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3 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Plenty willing to move up for Darnold or Rosen.  Less for Mayfield and beyond but maybe that changes after the combine.  Personally, I just don't believe they have the ammunition to get there.  The Bills are actively trying to trade up and have far more resources to do it.  

Sorry if this has been asked, but what are their thoughts on Lamar Jackson? 

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On 2/27/2018 at 11:27 PM, sourceworx said:

Sorry if this has been asked, but what are their thoughts on Lamar Jackson? 

No problem.

Its actually pretty odd. I have heard absolutely nothing regarding the guy other than they have plans to meet with him during the combine.  My money is on them drafting Mayfield or Allen when it's all said and done but who knows what can happen.  I know for a fact that plan B is trade up for Rosen or Darnold but I don't know if it's doable for a number of reasons. If Mayfield wows at the combine, they may have to trade up to get him too, because Denver his hot on the guy.

* Late edit* - looks like we might not even meet with him at the combine.  Guess the interview was scrapped unless no one got wind of it since most interview plans have leaked out already.

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On 2/27/2018 at 7:45 PM, LAD_Brooklyn said:

Gotcha, now why is he a certified bust?

I just don't buy the hype.  I've watched almost every single game of his and the only thing I see is a guy who's only positives are: tall with big arm.  He's never completed 60% of his passes and I get that it's easy to say "but talent!" but it just feels like we're going through the whole Christian Hackenberg process all over again.  I got burned on Christian bad.  I swore up and down that he had the make-up to be an absolute star.  I followed the kids career in High School, Elite 11, Penn State, etc....the only other QB I loved to the degree of Hack was Jameis Winston (more recently, Josh Rosen too).  Truth is more often than not, these big guys with big arms and accuracy issues don't get better when they hit the NFL.  I'm not going to fall for a guy I see as Hackenberg 2.0 and get burned all over again.  Especially when the tape shows that Allen makes far worse decisions than Hack ever did.  

All of this aside, if Allen wants to truly succeed, he needs to sit for a year.  He is unbelievably raw.  That isn't something we can do this year.  It would be a sh*tshow after we refused to play Hackenberg for 2 years.  If he get thrown to the wolves, it's gonna be ugly.

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Mac will need another plan, don't think he can beat out the Vikings and it looks like Bridgewater and Keenum are going to be free agents - Vikings will be all in on Cousins too - this will get stupid

@Rapsheet

With the March looming and some murkiness around #Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater’s contract, he is expected to be a free agent, sources say. Minnesota is not planning to assert that his contract tolls and Bridgewater is proceeding as if he’s a free agent.

The #Vikings are not expected to franchise tag QB Case Keenum and he’s slated to hit free agency, per sources with knowledge of the team’s thinking. Barring a change of heart, Minnesota joins the fray for a starting QB… and will make these next few weeks fascinating.

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2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

No problem.

Its actually pretty odd. I have heard absolutely nothing regarding the guy other than they have plans to meet with him during the combine.  My money is on them drafting Mayfield or Allen when it's all said and done but who knows what can happen.  I know for a fact that plan B is trade up for Rosen or Darnold but I don't know if it's doable for a number of reasons. If Mayfield wows at the combine, they may have to trade up to get him too, because Denver his hot on the guy.

Thanks for the response.

That's too bad about Jackson. They wouldn't have to trade up for him, and I think he would excite the hell out of our (largely) demoralized fan base. These QBs all have worts, some more so than others. Jackson could very well turn out to be the best of them in the end. The talent is certainly there.

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12 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Plenty willing to move up for Darnold or Rosen.  Less for Mayfield and beyond but maybe that changes after the combine.  Personally, I just don't believe they have the ammunition to get there.  The Bills are actively trying to trade up and have far more resources to do it.  

Every team has the ammunition.  Offer enough #1s and it will get done.  For us,  3 years worth of #1 picks and change will get you there.  Mainly because those picks will likely be high because we will be playing a rookie or McCown at QB.

While Buffalo has 2 1st round picks, they are in the 20’s.  So essentially, a team like the Giants get end up with three late firsts for the 2nd pick in a QB rich draft.

The Jets could offer #6 and two other 1sts which represent a much bigger package than Buffalo could ever offer.  It might be the NYG chance to clean up on draft picks and still be Barkley.

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17 hours ago, JiF said:

It's almost as sickening as taking an undersized zero instinct ILB in the first round with an undraftable QB prospect in the 2nd or punting on a QB to double down on safeties in the 1st and 2nd round.

 

The Browns brought in Dorsey and Scot to help him.

’The Jaguars hired Coughlin to help Caldwell.

I can’t believe we are letting the MacBowles fools spend money and draft players unsuperivised again.  

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Why do people want to trade up for Rosen?

1. Jackson and Allen are "too inaccurate", but Rosen's career comp % is 60.6%, would your opinions change if it was 59.8%?  

2.  The league is moving towards more mobile QBs, yet Rosen has no mobility and is strictly a drop back, pocket passer

3.  We run a west-coast type offense, with Mike/Kyle Shanahan principles, yet Rosen's best attribute is being good at throwing the ball down the field which would fit what someone like Bruce Arians ran.

4.  Concussions and injuries are a huge concern for QBs and he is the least durable/has the worst injury history of any QB being projected to the top 4 rounds.

5.  Darnold turns the ball over too much - yet Rosen has 59 tds and 26 picks vs Darnold who has 57 tds with 22 picks.  

Am I missing something as to why we want to give up multiple draft picks to take this kid who "throws a nice ball" when the pocket is clean?

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1 hour ago, BCJet said:

Why do people want to trade up for Rosen?

1. Jackson and Allen are "too inaccurate", but Rosen's career comp % is 60.6%, would your opinions change if it was 59.8%?  

2.  The league is moving towards more mobile QBs, yet Rosen has no mobility and is strictly a drop back, pocket passer

3.  We run a west-coast type offense, with Mike/Kyle Shanahan principles, yet Rosen's best attribute is being good at throwing the ball down the field which would fit what someone like Bruce Arians ran.

4.  Concussions and injuries are a huge concern for QBs and he is the least durable/has the worst injury history of any QB being projected to the top 4 rounds.

5.  Darnold turns the ball over too much - yet Rosen has 59 tds and 26 picks vs Darnold who has 57 tds with 22 picks.  

Am I missing something as to why we want to give up multiple draft picks to take this kid who "throws a nice ball" when the pocket is clean?

I think you are looking too deep into the numbers. Yes, I agree that there is no head and shoulders top QB in the draft. But there are a bunch of good ones that could end up being great. Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield, and Allen could ALL end up being studs. You have to look closely at the type of system you run and how one of these QBs will fit. I'm not overly concerned with Allen's inaccuracy, Jackson's poor footwork, Darnold's INTs, or Rosen's lack of mobility, etc. I'm actually more concerned about any injuries they may have had (concussions included).

I think a lot of scouts and GMs know this. I think this is why teams within the top 5 have made their picks available for trade. I think us fans truly have no idea who Macc really prefers. My gut tells me that Darnold is at the top of Maccs board. And I personally feel like he will come out to be one of the best QBs in this draft and most likely end up going #1 overall to the Browns. But that does not mean the Jets can't make a deal to move up and get him...it will just take a lot. 

This is, in part, why I want the Jets to do everything they can to get Cousins. It will allow them to trade down, add draft picks, and immediately start surrounding Cousins with young talent. 

What if they don't get Cousins?

Well, personally, I say if the guy you truly want is Darnold, do everything you can to get him. If you are not sure, sit at 6 and make a decision then. Maybe even trade down and punt on drafting a QB early in the first. I know that's not what fans want. But taking a QB in the top 10 just for the sake of taking a QB in the top 10 is ridiculous. Sign a QB in FA (Bridgewater, Keenum, etc.) and continue trying to develop a QB you draft OUTSIDE of the 6th overall pick.    

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I think other gm’s are going full aggressive-press to trade up and will outbid Mac (after Cousins signs with Minnesota). 

I’ve defended Mac but if he can’t deliver Cousins, Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield then he needs to go.

is that fair? Normally no. But Mac painted himself into this corner not just by not finding our quarterback already, but how well the ones he passed on are doing Watson, Mahomes and balked at for not throwing in an additional 3rd round pick to trade up for Wentz/Goff.

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8 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

He's the only guy out of Cousins, Darnold and Rosen that the Jets have a real shot at.  So they're going to analyze him, over analyze him, and analyze him some more.

If the Jets traded up for Darnold and gave up the Farm, it is possible that Darnold would never be good because his team would be so bad.  This team needs a lot of help, but then again, maybe they buy FAs and just give up all of their draft picks.  Regardless of how Darnold did, I think Jet Nation gives Mac credit for trying.

If they trade up for Rosen and he turns out to be an immobile nut job not suited for Bates’ offense, Jet Nation will be unhappy.  If they pick Rosen at 6 and is said nut job, Jet Nation questions why 4 other teams passed on him and we pick him.  Rosen if fraught with peril.

If the Jets draft Allen and he is Son of Hack, Mac is done, done done.  Mac would be betting that BowlesBates can make something of Allen in 2019.  He gets a pass in 2018.

If the Jets trade up a couple of spots for Mayfield, or take him at 6, I honestly think Jet Nation is pleased regardless of whether Mayfield has all of his passes swatted down.  Mac would have taken a chance and tried.  I can’t see Mayfield stinking.  If the Jets pass on Mayfield and Mayfield is a Bill or Dolphin that beats the Jets, MacBowles are done.

So the safe choices are really Cousins and Mayfield.  I think MacBowles has realized this as well.

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45 minutes ago, varjet said:

If the Jets traded up for Darnold and gave up the Farm, it is possible that Darnold would never be good because his team would be so bad.  This team needs a lot of help, but then again, maybe they buy FAs and just give up all of their draft picks.  Regardless of how Darnold did, I think Jet Nation gives Mac credit for trying.

If they trade up for Rosen and he turns out to be an immobile nut job not suited for Bates’ offense, Jet Nation will be unhappy.  If they pick Rosen at 6 and is said nut job, Jet Nation questions why 4 other teams passed on him and we pick him.  Rosen if fraught with peril.

If the Jets draft Allen and he is Son of Hack, Mac is done, done done.  Mac would be betting that BowlesBates can make something of Allen in 2019.  He gets a pass in 2018.

If the Jets trade up a couple of spots for Mayfield, or take him at 6, I honestly think Jet Nation is pleased regardless of whether Mayfield has all of his passes swatted down.  Mac would have taken a chance and tried.  I can’t see Mayfield stinking.  If the Jets pass on Mayfield and Mayfield is a Bill or Dolphin that beats the Jets, MacBowles are done.

So the safe choices are really Cousins and Mayfield.  I think MacBowles has realized this as well.

I wont be happy if we sit and take mayfield if either rosen or darnold get to #3 or if another team trades up into 1 or 2.  I'll be pissed royally if we traded up for mayfield.

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5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I wont be happy if we sit and take mayfield if either rosen or darnold get to #3 or if another team trades up into 1 or 2.  I'll be pissed royally if we traded up for mayfield.

I don’t think anyone trades for Rosen.  Too much non-football risk to spend extra draft picks on.

If Darnold drops to 3, there will be a feeding frenzy for the pick.  Unlikely to happen.  

Browns already have too many picks.  They take Fitzpatrick or Nelson at 4 and do not trade it.  Maybe Chubb and replicate the Giants DEs. 

Broncos could have a choice of Mayfield or Rosen at 5.   Who knows where that one goes, but the regardless the Jets could end up with Elway’s sloppy seconds.

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