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So this prototypical QB thing doesn't seem to be working out for the NY Jets. 

Maybe its time to think out of the box & put together an offense that takes advantage of movement, quick agile strong olineman, physical WRs & TEs that can post defenders up, and RBs with WR skills 3 deep!

For S & Gs, lets say Buffalo releases Tyrod Taylor & we tailer (no pun intended) the offense around him which coincidently would be an offense that Lamar Jackson could also flourish in. Bates looks at film from old Vick tapes, some Cam Newton stuff, even the RPO stuff being run. Bates could even put in redzone plays that might have Jackson on the field WITH Taylor at QB. 

You fill this oline with nothing but guys that are big strong & most importantly AGILE. You draft Guice, Michel or Jones & you sign Dion Lewis (similar game to Shady), and cut Powell. You sign Robinson if the Jags let him test free agency. Now, you actually have a chance at the playoffs in 2018, Taylor is the 1st QB to get the Bills to the playoffs in YEARS. But the beautiful thing is that you have Lamar Jackson learning the offense while he's able to sit & soak everything in but also be a part with some cool innovatively designed plays. 

The NFL is different in 2018 than it was in 1999. Tackling is way worse, the rules make it hard to cover & QBs that can move, buy time, are pains in the azzes. More & more, college style play is infiltrating the NFL. I'd love to see our Jets just for once do something out of the box. 

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There are media reports that Buffalo may hold onto Taylor and at least one mock draft suggesting Buffalo as the draft destination for Jackson. The same mock draft has Mike T. drafting Mayfield for Miami if he falls.

How ironic would this be that two of the most aurgument inducing qbs in the 2018 draft end up in the AFC East but not with us.

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1 minute ago, Gangrene said:

There are media reports that Buffalo may hold onto Taylor and at least one mock draft suggesting Buffalo as the draft destination for Jackson. The same mock draft has Mike T. drafting Mayfield for Miami if he falls.

How ironic would this be that two of the most aurgument inducing qbs in the 2018 draft end up in the AFC East but not with us.

We don't draft QB's, we sign Ancient retreads! 

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49 minutes ago, Jetster said:

So this prototypical QB thing doesn't seem to be working out for the NY Jets. 

Maybe its time to think out of the box & put together an offense that takes advantage of movement, quick agile strong olineman, physical WRs & TEs that can post defenders up, and RBs with WR skills 3 deep!

For S & Gs, lets say Buffalo releases Tyrod Taylor & we tailer (no pun intended) the offense around him which coincidently would be an offense that Lamar Jackson could also flourish in. Bates looks at film from old Vick tapes, some Cam Newton stuff, even the RPO stuff being run. Bates could even put in redzone plays that might have Jackson on the field WITH Taylor at QB. 

You fill this oline with nothing but guys that are big strong & most importantly AGILE. You draft Guice, Michel or Jones & you sign Dion Lewis (similar game to Shady), and cut Powell. You sign Robinson if the Jags let him test free agency. Now, you actually have a chance at the playoffs in 2018, Taylor is the 1st QB to get the Bills to the playoffs in YEARS. But the beautiful thing is that you have Lamar Jackson learning the offense while he's able to sit & soak everything in but also be a part with some cool innovatively designed plays. 

The NFL is different in 2018 than it was in 1999. Tackling is way worse, the rules make it hard to cover & QBs that can move, buy time, are pains in the azzes. More & more, college style play is infiltrating the NFL. I'd love to see our Jets just for once do something out of the box. 

It's funny you bring this up.  The more I think about taking Jackson the more I've thought about how you're going to have to adjust your offense to fit his strengths and gradually bring him along as a passer.  The challenge to that is, if he gets hurt if you dont have a similar type of back up QB, you're going to have adjust the offense on the fly to cater toward your back up.

In this instance, you're addressing it with having a bridge guy to not force Jackson into immediate action, which you'd probably be inclined to do because of his play making ability.

I'm not going to lie, when the Jets inevitably lose the Cousins sweepstakes, this could be a brilliant plan.

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19 minutes ago, JiF said:

It's funny you bring this up.  The more I think about taking Jackson the more I've thought about how you're going to have to adjust your offense to fit his strengths and gradually bring him along as a passer.  The challenge to that is, if he gets hurt if you dont have a similar type of back up QB, you're going to have adjust the offense on the fly to cater toward your back up.

In this instance, you're addressing it with having a bridge guy to not force Jackson into immediate action, which you'd probably be inclined to do because of his play making ability.

I'm not going to lie, when the Jets inevitably lose the Cousins sweepstakes, this could be a brilliant plan.

The other part about this I forgot to mention, in the modern era, Tyrod is really the only true run first QB to transition into an efficient NFL passer.  Jackson is trying to do the same.  They had very similar careers in college, obviously Jackson being much more electric and productive.  Both had more rush attempts than pass completions and couldnt crack 60% completion.

I'm starting to really warm up this when the Jets get boned on Cousins and Rosen/Darnold. 

 

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

The other part about this I forgot to mention, in the modern era, Tyrod is really the only true run first QB to transition into an efficient NFL passer.  Jackson is trying to do the same.  They had very similar careers in college, obviously Jackson being much more electric and productive.  Both had more rush attempts than pass completions and couldnt crack 60% completion.

I'm starting to really warm up this when the Jets get boned on Cousins and Rosen/Darnold. 

 

It's funny cause Taylor has been over 60% all three years with the Bills.  Right now they aren't cutting him, but he is due $6M on the 3rd day of the league year, which I think is St. Patrick's Day.  

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So wait, the legal tampering period hasn’t even started and we’ve already known the destination for Kirk and top QBs in draft? Like, do we succumb to every single little rumor? Cuz last I heard, Jets were going to be big players in the Cousins sweepstakes and we’re going to offer a fully guaranteed contract. Are you guys telling me that Cousins will take a smaller guarantee? Or are you telling me you don’t want to believe that rumor but the other 99? Give it a rest already. 

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the problems with this type of qb are rg3 and wentz.  rg3 relied on scrambling and when he got injured his advantage was over.

wentz is recovering from a bad knee injury that he got scrambling and it wasn't even a non-contact acl tear.  but it's substantial enough that the eagles will probably have to keep foles around for at least 1 more year.  injuries happen, but you can be sure wentz will be coached about not taking the types of risks outside the pocket now.

your best attribute can't be scrambling.  that's the problem with jackson.  it doesn't matter how strong your arm is.  and most qbs like jackson don't figure out how to become donovan mcnabb.  

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Just now, JiF said:

Well, I dont think either have ever missed a start due to injury so maybe the same thing that would happen to any team that loses 2 QB's by week 8? 

 

If your going to modify the offense around the QB running, your putting your QB's at a far higher probability of risk IMO. 

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I don't think people watched Tyrod Taylor play this year, he was beyond awful. not throwing INts b/c you never take a chance doesn't make you a good QB. Taylor led his Bills O to 17.4 PPG in his 14 starts then led his O to THREE points in a playoff loss(I know Jax has a good D but they allowed 42 and 24 the next 2 weeks).  if you average in the playoff game, in  his 15 starts in 2017 he led his O to an average of 16.5 PPPG(and this counts the 2 garbage time TDs he led Buf to against us on that Thursday Night game).

There's a reason the Bills are looking to move on from their starting QB who just started for them in their 1st playoff game this Century.

 

 

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55 minutes ago, Gangrene said:

There are media reports that Buffalo may hold onto Taylor and at least one mock draft suggesting Buffalo as the draft destination for Jackson. The same mock draft has Mike T. drafting Mayfield for Miami if he falls.

How ironic would this be that two of the most aurgument inducing qbs in the 2018 draft end up in the AFC East but not with us.

MacBowles would certainly be fired when those 2 QBs beat the Jets.  Mac is hosed if he does not sign Cousins, because he has to take one of the QBs if they fall.  I think he can argue it was too expensive to trade up, but if he passes on Mayfield and Mayfield haunts him, he is done, forever.  

Tanny will not trade above the Jets.  He knows Mac will whiff.

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1 hour ago, Gangrene said:

There are media reports that Buffalo may hold onto Taylor and at least one mock draft suggesting Buffalo as the draft destination for Jackson. The same mock draft has Mike T. drafting Mayfield for Miami if he falls.

How ironic would this be that two of the most aurgument inducing qbs in the 2018 draft end up in the AFC East but not with us.

Could definitely see this happening. Trader Mike will make a move to screw us some how. 

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1 hour ago, Jetster said:

So this prototypical QB thing doesn't seem to be working out for the NY Jets. 

Maybe its time to think out of the box & put together an offense that takes advantage of movement, quick agile strong olineman, physical WRs & TEs that can post defenders up, and RBs with WR skills 3 deep!

For S & Gs, lets say Buffalo releases Tyrod Taylor & we tailer (no pun intended) the offense around him which coincidently would be an offense that Lamar Jackson could also flourish in. Bates looks at film from old Vick tapes, some Cam Newton stuff, even the RPO stuff being run. Bates could even put in redzone plays that might have Jackson on the field WITH Taylor at QB. 

You fill this oline with nothing but guys that are big strong & most importantly AGILE. You draft Guice, Michel or Jones & you sign Dion Lewis (similar game to Shady), and cut Powell. You sign Robinson if the Jags let him test free agency. Now, you actually have a chance at the playoffs in 2018, Taylor is the 1st QB to get the Bills to the playoffs in YEARS. But the beautiful thing is that you have Lamar Jackson learning the offense while he's able to sit & soak everything in but also be a part with some cool innovatively designed plays. 

The NFL is different in 2018 than it was in 1999. Tackling is way worse, the rules make it hard to cover & QBs that can move, buy time, are pains in the azzes. More & more, college style play is infiltrating the NFL. I'd love to see our Jets just for once do something out of the box. 

I like any idea that puts Jackson in a Jet uniform.

The injury talk, Jackson has not had any injuries his 3 years in college but Rosen has had many. Why does Jackson have all the fear of getting injured. 

He has elite traits, his arm, his legs.  I see a QB that is going to put a lot of stress on defenses, lighter coverage because you're probably going to have to dedicate a defender to him. Its difficult for QBs to sustain drives, especially young ones, but Jackson can extend drives with his legs. Jet's have a mediocre offensive roster right now but Jackson can help supplement that as more resources are dedicated to that side of the ball while developing his accuracy. And lastly, when the Jets had the 4th quarter leads last season, and our offense stalled, I imagine Jackson being able to extend those drives by picking up a 1st with his legs. Could be a real asset with those 4 minute drives to close out games.

Jackson is not a 60% completion QB but he has improved his 3 years in college. Just turned 21. Is it hard to fathom that he is on upswing and can develop his accuracy even further? FYI he threw 59% this past season and has the most drops by his receivers.

IMO if Jackson is worth drafting in the latter part of the first round then he is worth drafting at 6. 

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I like Jackson A LOT and would not mind drafting him if we trade down from the #6 pick. I think that would only happen if we sign a QB like Cousins. 

I have a sneaky suspicion that Bridgewater will end up being the guy the Jets sign (not Taylor) and Cousins ends up in Minn. If that were to happen, I would still like to draft a QB at 6 but would also not mind trading down- it would be a toss up depending on who's available and what kind of deal we could finagle.     

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1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

If your going to modify the offense around the QB running, your putting your QB's at a far higher probability of risk IMO. 

Sure.  I'm not saying run the wing T but a variation of the read option could be the ticket with these two if your'e going that route.  

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2 hours ago, nyjunc said:

I don't think people watched Tyrod Taylor play this year, he was beyond awful. not throwing INts b/c you never take a chance doesn't make you a good QB. Taylor led his Bills O to 17.4 PPG in his 14 starts then led his O to THREE points in a playoff loss(I know Jax has a good D but they allowed 42 and 24 the next 2 weeks).  if you average in the playoff game, in  his 15 starts in 2017 he led his O to an average of 16.5 PPPG(and this counts the 2 garbage time TDs he led Buf to against us on that Thursday Night game).

There's a reason the Bills are looking to move on from their starting QB who just started for them in their 1st playoff game this Century.

 

 

The only people that think he’s any good are on here

oh and he’s Jackson’s ceiling

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8 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

The only people that think he’s any good are on here

oh and he’s Jackson’s ceiling

many people think he's good b/c he doesn't throw INTs.  Those people haven't watched him play.

I think Jackson has a higher ceiling but we'll see.

5 minutes ago, Drums said:

Has a running QB ever won a super bowl?

There have been a few great running QBs but those guys were also really good/great passers.

Steve Young

John Elway

Russell Wilson

Roger Staubach

 

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5 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

Id be ok with tyrod!

Hes by leaps and bounds the second best fa qb(if available) . After him, theres a drop off. Not interested i  any fa other than cousins or tyrod 

 

In 2017 Tyrod Taylor led his offense to 17 PPg in his starts then followed that up by leading them to 3 points in their playoff game.

In 2017 Josh McCown led the Jets O to 20.5 PPG which includes his short stint at Denver where we were being shut out when he got hurt, removing that game and it's over 22 PPG.

If Taylor came cheap as a 1 year stopgap as we develop a young QB that's ok.  it would be foolish for any team to sign him to be a full time starter.  Of the QBs that are/wer available he's behind:

Cousins

Smith

Bridgewater

McCown

Bradford

McCarron

Keenum

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Just now, UntouchableCrew said:

This is the type of plan that gets you to 10-6 and a wild card berth when you catch everyone off guard but that will never lead to long term success. The solution isn't to give up on drafting and developing a traditional franchise QB. The solution is to hire a GM and coach capable of doing so.

Agreed. And I honestly don't think Bates was hired as OC to run some goofy, mobile QB dependent offense. Tyrod is a winning NFL QB and Lamar JAckson is a stud athlete, but look at past Super Bowl winners (Brady/Manning/Manning/Rodgers/Brees) and you see that none of these guys are run first QBs.

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