hawk Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 41 minutes ago, aagarcia said: He will be a Jet. They CAN'T do 60 guaranteed right away. That will win the day along with Bates and the idea of building around him as the franchise Yes, Yes they can. It depends on the size of the signing bonus. For instance, $10 million Salary and $50 million signing bonus. Only $20 mill first year cap hit. Edit: The biggest obstacle i see is the cap space in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 52 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Imo top two QBs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd best in this draft. 51 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: I've said it before and I'll say it again: I am sick and tired of getting the team you guys deserve. I disagree. Rosen and Darnold have plenty of knocks. I don't think they're much safer than Mayfield and Jackson, although they are more conventional. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that it's better for us to take Mayfield or Jackson @ 6 and pick-any-two combination of offensive-line help, edge-rusher, offensive playmaker and cornerback in the second round. I'm not saying I'm necessarily against trading-up at this point; I'm just not ready to pull the trigger yet. In my mind at least, I can make a reasonable argument against it. We'll get more information this weekend @ the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patriot Killa Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Rosen is the #1 guy. Get him or fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said Wednesday the organization would consider trading the second overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft. lol. This is not a story. I saw the press conference clip. Gettleman said that he'd trade # 2 if blown away by an offer because, when you're drafting that high, you're looking to take a future Hall of Famer. I.E. If you don't think that player can end up a HOFer, trading the pick makes sense. That's a philosophy that is the same for any GM worth his salt, in any year. It doesn't mean the Giants are any more or less likely to trade the pick as they were yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, 20andOut said: If a reporter asks a GM "would you consider___________" The answer is always going to be yes. "Mr GM, would you consider trading your mother to sex traffickers for a 7th round pick?" asks the reporter. "Sure we would consider that. Always looking for opportunities to improve the team" replies Mr GM. Just because they reply to some reporter that they would consider it, doesn't mean they really are considering it. Bingo. That's all this was. Any asset can be traded at any time for the right price. That does not mean a trade is imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: Cousins will be a Viking. Nothing anyone can do about it. Macc needs to get us a QB in the draft to go with whatever never has been placeholder he gets. Darnold and Bridgewater. That's my wishlist and I'm sticking to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 39 minutes ago, 19andOhWait said: we already went through a USC turnover prone pretty boy once, we're really going to trade the farm for another one? Yes, and it will work out this time. He's not a Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Guys, turnover prone isn't a bad thing if you also throw TD's. Gunslingers have a lot of success in this league. It's not ideal, but it can win you a championship. Sanchez would have been fine if he could get a couple TD's a game. Instead, we got a bunch of 3 and outs, a bunch of turnovers, and a few TD's. A 3 TD, 3 INT game is good. A 1 TD, 0 INT game is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 32 minutes ago, Paradis said: I would assume they'd be interested in our #1 next year more so... so that + change Would may very well be another top 10 pick. Giants would certainly love the trade. Jets could have lost 2 more games and inherited the #2 pick without giving up anything. They decided winning 5, as opposed to 3 was much more important. Can’t change their minds now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 53 minutes ago, k-met57 said: Darnold Rosen Allen Mayfield Name the two that are a consensus lock to be better then the other two? its a trick question...you cant. Anyone who says Darnold is a lock is crazy, he turned the ball over at a historic rate IN COLLEGE, and Rosen after missing time with a major shoulder surgery missed like 33 days with a concussion. Granted i am about as far as you can get from an evaluator, but why would i trade away valuable picks to get a guy at 2 that i may get at 6? or may be as good as the guy at 6? Forgot Jackson, who could be the best out of all of them in a year. This is why mccagnan will not trade up. He will let the draft come to him and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a play for Lamar Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: lol. This is not a story. I saw the press conference clip. Gettleman said that he'd trade # 2 if blown away by an offer because, when you're drafting that high, you're looking to take a future Hall of Famer. I.E. If you don't think that player can end up a HOFer, trading the pick makes sense. That's a philosophy that is the same for any GM worth his salt, in any year. It doesn't mean the Giants are any more or less likely to trade the pick as they were yesterday. LOL fake news Dave Gettleman Says Giants Are Open to Trading No. 2 Pick in 2018 NFL Draft TIM DANIELSFEBRUARY 28, 2018 Darron Cummings/Associated Press New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said Wednesday the organization would consider trading the second overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft. Jordan Raanan of ESPN.com relayed comments Gettleman made about the potential availability of his prized asset during a media session at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. "Are we open for business? You know, whatever. Any decision I make is going to be in the best interest of the New York Football Giants. Plain and simple," he said. "So if someone makes me an offer I can't refuse, would I move back? Depends on who is there." Gettleman took over the Giants' GM job in late December after previously serving in the same capacity with the Carolina Panthers from January 2013 through July 2017. The 67-year-old executive was light on specifics about the team's offseason plan of attack, including what position the franchise would target if it stayed at No. 2. While New York has been considered a potential landing spot for the class' top quarterbacks, new head coach Pat Shurmur said longtime face of the franchise Eli Manning has "years left as a starting quarterback in this league," per Raanan. "Again, if there is a guy worthy of being the second pick of the draft and what we're basically saying and answering that question to the affirmative, you're drafting what you think is going to be a Hall of Fame player," Gettleman added. "So you can't get too cute about that thing." By not tipping their hand about whether they'd target the likes of Sam Darnold (USC), Josh Rosen (UCLA), Mason Rudolph (Oklahoma State), Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma), Lamar Jackson (Louisville) or Josh Allen (Wyoming), the Giants are maximizing their leverage in potential trade talks. Manning is coming off a year where he tossed 19 touchdowns and 13 interceptions across 15 appearances. His 80.4 passer rating tied for 25th among qualified quarterbacks, while Pro Football Focus graded him as the league's No. 28 QB. Those lackluster numbers paired with his advanced age (37) would suggest its time for the Giants to start looking toward the future at the position. That said, if they aren't convinced any of the aforementioned college standouts are the long-term answer, they should be able to command a king's ransom to move back from No. 2 given the large number of teams looking to upgrade at quarterback this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Guys, turnover prone isn't a bad thing if you also throw TD's. Gunslingers have a lot of success in this league. It's not ideal, but it can win you a championship. Sanchez would have been fine if he could get a couple TD's a game. Instead, we got a bunch of 3 and outs, a bunch of turnovers, and a few TD's. A 3 TD, 3 INT game is good. A 1 TD, 0 INT game is bad. This was farves math. Points win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, prime21 said: With an aging QB, a WR who wants 20 million, and major attitude issues in the secondary, he better he better hope to make the right decision for that franchise with that #2 pick. Not drafting a QB there would be idiotic for the Giants. If they double-down on Eli, that would be a laughably bad decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: LOL Dave Gettleman Says Giants Are Open to Trading No. 2 Pick in 2018 NFL Draft TIM DANIELSFEBRUARY 28, 2018 Darron Cummings/Associated Press New York Giants general manager Dave Gettleman said Wednesday the organization would consider trading the second overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft. Jordan Raanan of ESPN.com relayed comments Gettleman made about the potential availability of his prized asset during a media session at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. "Are we open for business? You know, whatever. Any decision I make is going to be in the best interest of the New York Football Giants. Plain and simple," he said. "So if someone makes me an offer I can't refuse, would I move back? Depends on who is there." Gettleman took over the Giants' GM job in late December after previously serving in the same capacity with the Carolina Panthers from January 2013 through July 2017. The 67-year-old executive was light on specifics about the team's offseason plan of attack, including what position the franchise would target if it stayed at No. 2. While New York has been considered a potential landing spot for the class' top quarterbacks, new head coach Pat Shurmur said longtime face of the franchise Eli Manning has "years left as a starting quarterback in this league," per Raanan. "Again, if there is a guy worthy of being the second pick of the draft and what we're basically saying and answering that question to the affirmative, you're drafting what you think is going to be a Hall of Fame player," Gettleman added. "So you can't get too cute about that thing." By not tipping their hand about whether they'd target the likes of Sam Darnold (USC), Josh Rosen (UCLA), Mason Rudolph (Oklahoma State), Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma), Lamar Jackson (Louisville) or Josh Allen (Wyoming), the Giants are maximizing their leverage in potential trade talks. Manning is coming off a year where he tossed 19 touchdowns and 13 interceptions across 15 appearances. His 80.4 passer rating tied for 25th among qualified quarterbacks, while Pro Football Focus graded him as the league's No. 28 QB. Those lackluster numbers paired with his advanced age (37) would suggest its time for the Giants to start looking toward the future at the position. That said, if they aren't convinced any of the aforementioned college standouts are the long-term answer, they should be able to command a king's ransom to move back from No. 2 given the large number of teams looking to upgrade at quarterback this offseason. Yes, I saw that press conference clip. Read the article. Everything he is saying is GM-speak. No GM, ever, would say "No, the pick is not for trade". Because you never know when someone will swing in and give up more than has ever been offered for a top pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, SMC said: Not drafting a QB there would be idiotic for the Giants. If they double-down on Eli, that would be a laughably bad decision. Eli is the Giants messiah drafting a QB would bring out all the fans who are crybabies who protested, whined,cried when they benched him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 It's like the old parable of negotiation. A man approaches another man and says "Would you lick the bottom of my shoe if I offered you a dollar?" "Certainly not, that's gross. I would NEVER do that." "How about for $1 million?" "Well....sure, for $1 million I would...." "OK, how about 2 dollars?" "Certainly not, that's gross. I would NEVER do that." "I think we've established you WOULD do that. Now we're just negotiating on price." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, The Crusher said: I get that. I do. But with the cap going up and the money is close enough he will choose the Vikings over the Jets every time. They are quite literally a QB away from a Championship. We are an absolute mess. The question is will the Vikings investigate? They are the real threat to the Jets signing Cousins, not Denver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 In other words, the Giants may LOVE their options at 2. They may have very little interest in moving the pick. But if one of the other GM's out there picked up the phone and offered, say, four 1st round picks.....he'd have to at least CONSIDER it. And that is true for any GM in his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: The question is will the Vikings investigate? They are the real threat to the Jets signing Cousins, not Denver Agree but no worries MetLife will win over the new Mercedes Vikings Stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: In other words, the Giants may LOVE their options at 2. They may have very little interest in moving the pick. But if one of the other GM's out there picked up the phone and offered, say, four 1st round picks.....he'd have to at least CONSIDER it. And that is true for any GM in his position. Are you Dave Gettleman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The question is will the Vikings investigate? They are the real threat to the Jets signing Cousins, not Denver Elway is extremely influential. Don't underestimate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: Are you Dave Gettleman? No, which is why this article is silly. No one knows what the Giants will do with the pick. And this article does nothing to get inside his mind. He's saying exactly what every other GM says in press conferences like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, k-met57 said: i'd hate that deal. 6 + 2 potential starters for the second best QB....i'd rather take the 3rd best QB and keep the 2 potential starters (insert joke about jets 2nd round picks here). I would have preferred just tanking correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: No, which is why this article is silly. No one knows what the Giants will do with the pick. And this article does nothing to get inside his mind. He's saying exactly what every other GM says in press conferences like these. Ok so what would you like to discuss here the weather,favorote chili recipe or Kirk Cousins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, joewilly12 said: Ok so what would you like to discuss here the weather,favorote chili recipe or Kirk Cousins? I'm not saying it isn't a worthwhile discussion. Just pointing out that the article itself is silly. The thread is fine. Don't take it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 I'm sure a chili recipe thread would get a lot of posts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, Jetsfan80 said: I'm sure a chili recipe thread would get a lot of posts though. No one is forcing you to read or comment on this article. Chili is a funny thing everyone has preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: No one is forcing you to read or comment on this article. I've posted numerous times in the thread, because the topic is interesting. As are the points people have been making within it. My problem is with the journalist who wrote the headline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 28, 2018 Author Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: I've posted numerous times in the thread, because the topic is interesting. As are the points people have been making within it. My problem is with the journalist who wrote the headline. No harm no foul we good I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Another thing to consider Hot blonde Viking chicks vs Jersey JAPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 minute ago, dcJet said: Another thing to consider Hot blonde Viking chicks vs Jersey JAPs If the Vikings played in Scandinavia, you'd be spot on there. Jersey chicks are gross though, so Minnesota can't be any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 26 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Elway is extremely influential. Don't underestimate him. I think the money is going to trip them up in the end. That Garroppolo deal really killed their chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Augustiniak said: This is why mccagnan will not trade up. He will let the draft come to him That's a loser strategy. We have no QB.... that is literally the worst mentality to go into a draft when you're targeting a Quarterback. The worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 41 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: If the Vikings played in Scandinavia, you'd be spot on there. Jersey chicks are gross though, so Minnesota can't be any worse. The internet...the gift that keeps on giving...in this case a Vikings fan showing off her 'V' tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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